Has ABL Women ever been this lopsided

Looking at results this season has the Women's competition ever been this lopsided.

You have Norwood and then the rest. After the the top 4 the rest are pretty ordinary.

How can an ABA team be losing 31 to 0 as the Tigers were tonight to the Mavericks who are not one of the top 4 teams.

Plus many of the other results were lopsided.

How has this happened to Womens ABA?




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Wam Soosnam  
Years ago

Yes it has been, not for some time now, but it was this way backin the 80's.


West adelaide dominated the comp for years .

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Anonymous  
Years ago

That was all due to their development program and had nothing to do with their WNBL team recruiting in a period where the same teams played WNBL and ABL. Just ask them.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Basketball professor

Number of reasons!

1 the Mavs have a very good player, she was involved in a minimum of 56 points, take her out of the team and they become very ordinary.

Tigers girls are very young, starting 5 consisted of 2 girls over 20 years old, 2 18 year olds and a 17 year old, the rest of the team are 17,18 or 19!

They could have shut up shop but to their credit they persisted and actually won a quarter.

Restricted player rules need to be looked at so only 1 per club,

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Anonymous  
Years ago

No zones no comp

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Filthy Mexican  
Years ago

There is a massive hole in some clubs coaching/talent pool. If you look at the bottom 4 sides in the women's comp the same holes show.

Centrals - no recruiting pull / minimal junior development
South - sub standard coaching / no junior development
Woodville - sub standard coaching / minimal junior development
Southern - sub standard coaching / minimal junior development
Also you could add eastern into this mix less the Tess factor

As much as I hate to say it these clubs need to follow the lead of Sturt and forrestville and build the junior to senior development. This may require recruiting junior players to play junior basketball (which I am personally fundamentally against)

The major problem with woodville and southern is unfortunately their coaching at the moment (granted these are 2 first year coaches) because both the under 23 sides are quite good

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Anti-Zone  
Years ago

Absolutely Mexican.

Some clubs have neglected their junior programs for years. How would zoning help improve that?

Put your time and effort into coach development and player recruitment and improvement. Rather than trying to restrict those clubs doing the right thing.

And anon #420188, you do realise that Norwood have only got 1 restricted player now don't you. Or that Sturt have non. And that Forestville have 2 who are both long serving club juniors.

Are you suggesting that clubs should not try and produce players good enough to help basketball in this country?

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Wam Soosnam  
Years ago

What this goes to demonstrate is the total failure of the womens youth league in Adelaide.

Agree with Mexican on many points, but the answer is to get 2 Wnbl / restricted players per team plus to have a junior program with a pathway to ABL.


The womens league is suffering from a severe lack of talent both in coaching and playing stocks.

10 years ago, most of those bottom 4 team players would not make a single roster.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

A lot of drivel above, the comp has always been lopsided just look at the results over the last decade. The top five clubs haven't changed that much and the reasons are varied but essentially there are not enough women playing basketball and those stocks are reducing. It's not a problem just a fact along with having more teams than a town like Adelaides can afford to cater for. If you want a competition get rid of at least two clubs. Make it conditional that a district club has two teams per grade and that to have a senior team you have to field a div I team in every section. Problem solved and some clubs wouldn't have an ABA team in women

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fan  
Years ago

I would say West could also be put in the same group with little coming through from juniors.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Anyone who thinks any of the top five ABA sides coaches would provide better results should examine their palms for hair.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Christian Bell the worst coach in charge of an ABL womes team this season

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I'd say Leigh Scott might be competing for that one as well. Looks way out of his league.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I would bet Simon Pritchard would do no better than Christian or Leigh or Vicki if he had their Squads, Christian and Leugh have good under 23's that are mostly playing ABA, once those kids get some experience they will be competitive! Everyone said the tigers wouldn't win a game, they have 2 already and if they get 4-6 for the year then they have done well same with woodville, south and Centrals playing for the spoon, south in huge trouble as even vicki has said they have no juniors, Centrals got themselves in trouble hopefully have learnt their lesson.

Big difference in age groups, top 5 teams have experience players that are 25+, the rest are playing with kids, helps not only with experience but body shapes as well, in a few years time it may flip the other way.

Think people should get off the backs of these kids and new coaches and give them a chance otherwise they might just stop playing, then you will all start complaining about not having a competition

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I think the point anon is no one would care if they stopped playing because less teams would make it more competitive. The bottom five share their wins with the bottom five and that's not progress just status quo. The girls playing are average players playing against better players so while they will improve they will always be streets below the opposition. The juniors that succeed in abl are almost exclusively the better state junior reps and the starters for those teams. The gap doesn't close unfortunately despite playing and gaining experience but occasionally there is a late bloomer but usually they are late maturing males. Like in real life there are just not enough great girls around.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

All top 5 teams have either 1,2 or 3 quality players. And I mean quality. The bottom 5 teams do not. That is the reality. There are not a lot of quality players going around and the ones that are left are with the top 5 teams. Spread out the talent and you will find a much more even competition.

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Jacob  
Years ago

I don't kniow why everyone is always jumping onto these coaches. If they are so bad go out and coach yourself.

The lower teams coaches are doing the best they can with limited playing stocks and avaliability to juniors. The difference between the Elite players. Ala Tess Madgen, Jess Foley, Jo Hill to the juniors coming in is always going to be huge.

The problem is these smaller clubs don't have the superstars in the teams to build a team around nor the junior program to continuosly churn out good juniors.

If you look at the top teams it is always the same thing. A good core of players, odd star and good junior program. Because of this the juniors coming through always seem to migrate towards these teams.

I don't blame the coaches, it is more of a administration issue in my opinion. The coaches can only do as much as they can with what they are given.

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Jacob  
Years ago

@292

Agreed somewhat, a team like Norwood have 7 players who would start in most teams. When you can beat the team in second by 30+ with your stars only playing 30mins max.

Can Norwood go undefeated this year?

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Freddy  
Years ago

Anon #268

"Everyone said the tigers wouldn't win a game, they have 2 already and if they get 4-6 for the year then they have done well ".

I'm pretty sure down at tiger land they were being quoted as saying that they would be top 4 potential.

If that was Southerns thought process prior to the season starting, wouldn't that indicate that they don't think there is a problem with their list, therefore they wouldn't be doing anything substantial to build their list.

Compare the current squad to last years... If southern could have kept their core group of players, by appointing a more liked coach, they prob would have been playing finals ball.

Instead the juniors that were forging their new senior program have left to other clubs due to 1 coaching appointment that was made against the players advice, now Southern have to start the process again. Except they have no real talent, with the only players showing any ability being their point and centre, but still they wouldn't crack a starting 5 of any other side. After those two, the rest are below average D3 players, and that squad wouldn't even compete for a D3 title.

I'm sick of the sob stories of clubs complaining about "too many teams", "too many restricted players" etc etc. If Southern appointed a liked coach, their core group stays, they play finals ball, and they attract potential players from other clubs.

Instead they finish 8th, attract no players from other clubs or restricted players, and continue in the bomb shelter that they have built for themselves.

And I would just like to add, that this is not a shot at Leigh from me at all, it is simply the fact that the girls that left, left because of the appointment which is a fact.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

freddy you dont know what you are talking about....again.

you have had it in for southern since Leigh got the position.

you dont hire a coach because he is LIKED you hire the best coach available.

2 people applied for the position, the best applicant got the job.

No one said the tigers would make top 4

the reason Leigh wasnt LIKED by last years group was maybe he told them the way it was! There was a reason last years group of girls went from 2nd at round 8 to not even making the finals.

they were undisciplined and selfish.

of the ones that left

Teressa Kinross playing, she asked for more money than what she was being paid last year, the coach was not willing to pay her the amount she asked for so she left.

genna anderson left, she now is a bench player at north getting limited minutes and hasnt really gotten any better.

Ciabbotini went to college, got cleared to south but is back in adelaide and not playing - wonder why!!!

Simone Nelson not playing anywhere - the tigers are getting more out of Stana Zecevic and Haley bunce and Shayde Quintrell anyway so no great loss.

Keep having pot shots at 17, 18 year olds you will be proven wrong

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The truth  
Years ago

anon above,

Southern starting group will not compete for a finals position for the next 5 years.

They will only improve if they bring in other better players.

Nothing to do with the coaches coaching ability, just his ability to recruit and retain players.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Wasn't Leigh the assistant last year to Willie?

Then he needs to accept some of the responsibility for that team slipping from 2nd to 8th.

They have a very long 5 years ahead of them as with the expectationof Shayde none of the other juniors have been through SASI, State or any high level programs.

You can't improve overnight to ABA level without some background ability playing at the higher levels.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

tall poppy syndrome

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Anonymous  
Years ago

filthy mexican you goose tess is a mavs junior DER

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