Isaac
Years ago

Farley out of favour

Smyth, according to forum poster EC, says Farley was ill on Saturday night. Boti is today suggesting otherwise, saying he is "little more than a pouting passive when the planets are not correctly aligned".

I said during the game, and then after the game on this forum and OzHo that I suspected something more was afoot. Check these (admittedly selective) quotes to see what you think.

Nothing can destroy a team as quickly or as efficiently as the disease of "me" and currently it is afflicting both of Adelaide's elite basketball teams.

Sadly, (Farley) also is equally capable of ignoring his defensive responsibilities, of going through the motions for lengthy periods, of being little more than a pouting passive when the planets are not correctly aligned.

In Saturday's 102-100 win over Singapore, he was subbed early after Slingers' import Mike Helms burnt him for seven quick points.

Farley did little with additional chances to atone.

His body language as the 36ers kept alive their playoff hopes read disinterest. He sure as hell wasn't high-fiving anybody.

"Willie appeared tired and lethargic," Smyth said yesterday. "We were disappointed with his effort level and his body language appeared to show he was tired and disinterested.

"We gave him a couple of opportunities."

A couple? Try half a season. Yesterday Farley missed a team Christmas barbecue at team owner Mal Hemmerling's farm. "We were quite surprised he wasn't there," Sixers operations manager Paul Bauer said.
What from here? Is it an attempt at a wake-up call or conditioning fans for the exit of an import after season 06/07?

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Kingman  
Years ago

Farley can count his lucky stars he does not play for Sydney, he'd be gone. Then again he would not be playing for the Kings in the first place with his Defence.

6ers need a point guard its still not too late to get one.

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XY  
Years ago


Smyth's qoute does not really accord with what he apparently told EC. Are you telling porkies EC?

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Sturty6ers  
Years ago

What Smyth told the papers is just media hype. What he said to EC is fact (insert tongue in cheek)

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Isaac  
Years ago

To be fair, I don't think EC is going to intentionally misrepresent what she heard. Consider that Smyth wouldn't really want to make those statements straight after a game. May have said that Farley was "tired and lethargic, might be coming down with something", for example.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

its not the comments that worry me, its skippping the team lunch. Something is going down as i dont think he would do this unless something big was happening, sure be pissed off for a day or two but dont skip on your owners invite (unless his family was ill or something)

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Kent Brockman  
Years ago

Not another case of Phil and Boti using the paper to fire Willie up heading into a important period for the sixers where they can make a run and secure a final spot?

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Isaac  
Years ago

Pretty strong way to do it with a combination of Boti's words, Smyth's comments and then a quote from the club. And one game after he sets a career-high in assists.

Big risk too - what if it kills his interest?

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Bearcat  
Years ago

What did EC hear?

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Kent Brockman  
Years ago

Reminds me of the comments i heard about Willie tanking his game a few years back because the front office was not looking after him the way he felt he should be looked after.

May be this is the last season for Will?

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Isaac  
Years ago

Bearcat:

Has noboby read my post earlier on. Farley was ill last night. Tell me how well all you Willie baggers perform when you are sick?
Source

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Anon  
Years ago

Farley will not be with the Sixers next year...fact. In fact if they had the money they would have changed imports about 5 weeks ago.

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Jonno  
Years ago

Wow that is a strong article, im a huge Farley fan and hope he does stay but after reading this i wont be surprised if he isnt a 36er next year!
But with the depth we have at SG with Copeland, Hill and Ng, Newley being mentioned as a recruiting target as he is a free agent next season i can see the logic in getting a import SF aslong as they are able to sign atleast 2 of Copeland, Hill and Newley i dont neccesarily think it would be a bad idea.
How ever im a huge Farley fan so i personally hope he does have a great end to the season and is back with us next year!!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Was Smyth at the BBQ? If he was it'd be the first thing he has ever attended.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Smyth and kids ... sorry to disappoint you anon.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

gf must have been busy so he was free, or smyth must really want a job next year :)

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Anonymous  
Years ago

There's a surprise get proven wrong so find another way to have a dig at the guy.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

after a match against Brisbane earlier in the year, CJ was interviewed and he said that the way to stop Farley was to get on top of him early {by concentrating on him and isolate him defensively} and he generally does not fight his way back into the game offensively or any other way.
Those were not his exact words but it was a very stong and confident statement, and it really surprised me.
Phil has just adjusted his coaching to fight this tactic, and Boti is just reporting on what everone is saying.

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Anon  
Years ago

Actually gf was there too anon #111528

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Jonno  
Years ago

Does anyone know why Farley didnt attend the BBQ??? Was he sick or his family sick?? or anything like that

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Kent Brockman  
Years ago

OK so Phil was at the BBQ with the GF.

Anon did he have sauce in his sausage and bread or did Breheny do that for him?

(Mod: First read, funny. Second read, wondering why you're talking about Breheny applying sauce to Smyth's sausage. Tammy's gonna smack you with a bat!)

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Its funny how Phil is all of a sudden going to functions now that there is a private owner.

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Soup Nazi  
Years ago

No not suprising, Phils now knows who butters the bread. He's not that silly a sausage to not go and play on the farm.

Unfortunately Phil's coaching is a chop short of a BBQ and hopefully the new boss grills him at the end of the year.

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yogee  
Years ago

Yet again...damned if you do, damned if you dont for Phil

He gets criticised for not attending "team" functions (still not quite sure how the quiz night falls into that category, but i'll accept it for now)..he attends the team bbq, and still gets bagged for it?

Is it just a case of some people on here cant accept that the management and coaching staff are trying to adjust, adapt and change, so even when they do, the all so typically critical fans still want to have a say.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, Phil could coach this side to a championship (yes, unlikely, I know) and people on this forum would still bag him for it.

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MS  
Years ago

Yogee - thats about as likely as you posting something on here that doesnt annoy me!

It aint going to happen so just deal with it like I have to with your posts!

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philnaldo  
Years ago

Will this make Farley drive to the basket more?

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Anonymous  
Years ago



(Mod: Don't drag this further off-topic.)

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Jimmy_The_Snitch  
Years ago

Well said Yogee.

Dammed if he does and dammed if he doesn't. I guess who ever said it about 3 or 4 week ago was correct in saying that this board doesn't represent the overall majority of Sixer feeling towards the coach.

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Isaac  
Years ago

You're dealing with cynics Jimmy. And jokers for the most part!

Not sure what that comment about the "majority" is meant to mean - no one could draw a conclusion from this thread or anything really.

The Farley situation is another interesting one - has his fans and critics and many who are a bit of both. What's your opinion? Should Phil retain him or not?

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Jimmy_The_Snitch  
Years ago

I am not in favor of any mid season sacking (any sport, any club) but if it is evident that it will make the team or club a more cohesive unit (See the South Dragon, Shane Heal has made them better and the change was needed) then I would have no problem with it.

You never make a change simply to make a change but if you can get someone to make the team better then that's something the clubs would look at, especially if Willy has broken team rules.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

deja vu!!

this is how phil and boti worked the media and fans to say ta ta to charles thomas

its all building again

Groundhog Day

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XY  
Years ago


I for one would love to see an import who could penetrate and create, which is everything that Farley is not.

The only person to execute a drive for the Sixers on Saturday was Copes. Up the other end, we had Helms cutting us up in the lane, and he was not the only one.

This is what the Sixers have been lacking as Farley becomes more and more of a fadeaway off balance 3-pointer threat who does not involve his team in the game.

I am getting very sick of his antics, and whilst I would be sad to see him go, I could think of 10 imports in this league alone that I would prefer to have over Farley.

Unless he plays for his life for the rest of the season, I am sure we won't see him in Navy next year.

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Sween  
Years ago

Boti is the working media. He is not working the media

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Update  
Years ago

I think they should cut him at the end of the season, and recruit Newley to replace him. they should also throw some money at Powell and your team is set:

Maher
Newley
Cooper
Hovarth
Powell

Wheeler
Ng
Brad Hill
Copeland
Dodman

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Newley - NBA
Copeland - Retired
Wheeler - Retired
Powell - Fat Chance

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Isaac  
Years ago

I think Copes could comfortably go another round.

Not convinced on Newley getting to the NBA, but would like to see it happen.

And Powell is hoping to make it to the NBA, but will surely get bigger offers than in Adelaide if he doesn't make it. Remember, the guy is 23 years old - would still be viewed as having room to improve by NBA teams perhaps?

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Mutley  
Years ago

It's funny really, because a lack of effort and looking disinterested are EXACTLY what annoys so many people about Phil Smyth!

I will agree that Farley needed a rocket up his ass the other night though. I just hope that it motivates him. He doesn't seem to have the same passion that the Farley of 2002 did.

I don't think Farley can reasonably be blamed for the Sixers position on the ladder though. More of that should be levelled at Nash, Mastro, and Wheeler, who have spent much of the year either injured or playing like crap. It must begin and end with Smyth though. Even the Slingers game was won despite him. How about a goddam timeout when they were making the now customary fourth quarter run? Jesus F Christ anyone watching the game can see it slipping away yet he does nothing about it.

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Jonno  
Years ago

yea if they were to go that way and let Farley go (even though i wouldnt mind Farley staying) i think they should replace him with a import SF, some one like Jayson Wells would be ideal in my opinion or if we could steal a Dave Thomas from the tigers some how, and if we got Newley that would be awesome to have him start SG, if not i still wouldnt mind seeing Hill start SG with Copeland as his back up playing the same role as he is this year!
PG Maher/Sutton/Ng
SG Hill/ Copeland/Ng
SF Import (Wells)/Majstro
PF Horvath/Cooper/Majstro
C Cooper/Wheeler
a team like that wouldnt be too bad i reckon, if you could through Newley in there instead of say Copeland that would be even better!!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Update , I'm amazed you don't have a place for Sutton.



111618 , Copeland has 2 more seasons in him

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Kev  
Years ago

111643, it was announced before by Copes that he is hoping to call it quits at the end of the 06-07 season.

See NBL.com.au

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Isaac  
Years ago

I think this was said to be quotes taken out of context. If they have a spot for him next season and he is doing OK, I think he'll take it.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

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Vadersmate  
Years ago

Best posting name Ive seen, "Jimmy the snitch"

GOLD!

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Jimmy_The_Snitch  
Years ago

Jimmy aims to please.

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EC  
Years ago

I can't believe how much flack I need to take over repeating something that Smyth said. He didn's say it directly to me, he said it upstairs after the game in the presence of about 100 people. When he was asked the question about Farley not playing many minutes, he said he was not well and lacking in energy. He said he is probably down with the doctor right now. Now whether that was a cover up for the real problem or whether it was correct, I cannot read his mind. Whether you accept my information or not is up to you but please don't shoot the messenger.

The fact he came on again towards the end of the game is because he was not injured. No where did I say he was injured.

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