sounds like the board wants him out, and are putting the old code of conduct as the excuse. Bit like at work... pretty low i think from the club. Especially since the great work he is done at that club.

Another article in Sydney Morning Herald http://www.smh.com.au/news/Sport/Hawks-ask-coach-Joyce-to-step-aside/2006/12/11/1165685612566.html#

Out of curiosity, what "great work" has Joyce done at the Hawks?

He has won 1 championship all the time he has been there, and only got there based on a very contentious semi-final decision.

He has a core of 2 (maybe 3) players...Saville, Campbell..and Ballinger (if you like)....plus Cortez Groves, who from memory was a late pick up this season because other import options did not work out.

Other than that they pick up journeymen and have trouble holding on to players (Darnell was out of there faster than a Marcus Timmons comeback)....

In my experiences with Joyce he has come across as arrogant, only interested in his own ego, and generally not that well liked even within his own organisation.

Interesting way it is set up though, that the coaching is basically contracted out to a 3rd party company....effectively meaning he is not an employee of the club. Not sure if this would make it easier or harder for them to get rid of him....but the writing is definitely on the wall.

Joyce to Adelaide???? I shudder at the thought.

Finally I agree with you yogee :P

I would hate to see Joyce here I believe he is similar to smyth in that he use to be a good coach but now is quite out dated. The fact that his son gets so many minutes is unbelievable. I think he is like Darren Ng but can't shoot and therefore has no place out on the court. However having said that when we are playing them I like him being out there as much as possible :)

Yogee, it wouldn't surprise me if the company Joyce works for is one where he is a director and is effectively a tax minimisation tool to mask employment as contracting. I'm not sure if they're common in the coaching world but for professionals who take on a number of temporary assignments each year (myself included) they're a great way to reduce tax and get more cash into the account.

If this is the case with Joyce I think someone should alert he ATO as he's been in the same job for a good while now, might have a tough time convinving the authorities it's just a temporary job. Nothing like kicking a man when he's down.

People dont like his personality... he's a hard Nunawading boy who knows know different... he runs a tight ship and is ALWAYS competative.

He's bring life into the 36ers,

DrB, bit quick to defend there - "complaints from sponsors, members of the public and the NBL" - that doesn't sound like an isolated incident!

Yogee, I think you're flattering Campbell. Has taken a bit of a drop this season to 10.8 PPG, 3 RPG and 2 APG, shooting at 34% from the field and 65% FT. Copes and Ng can top those numbers.

Groves and Ballinger are an excellent import combination and Saville is a useful Aussie. After that, they're unpredictable. Rampton and Frank can be excellent value, or they can be "serviceable".

And I don't know that Joyce is a coach that players aim to play under.

Sounds like he's gone either now or at season's end.

billo, on a side issue, why does it have to be a "temporary job" to avoid the ATO?

Anger Management issues with Brendan ---- Never! Every year Brendan makes a complaint that he's being screwed by something, someone, somewhere. This must have has been tolereated by all given that he's had some national coaching duties. But events take dramatic turns when you cant deliver the W.

So what about Phil - fewer W's for him? The one thing in Phils favour is "The Kate Moss defence" - Cop it on the chin, shut up, and get on with your lot.
No offence to Phil, but Kate's got some aesthetics working in her favour too whereas "dropped pie ugly" seems to be a prereq for NBL coaches.

The Kate Moss defence??
I thought that meant suck it up!!!

(Mod: Inappropriate. Please keep this on topic people - as much as all want a Kate Moss thread, this is about Joyce.)

If she was a vacuum, it would be the Mosstril 20000..
Guaranteed to suck up lines of shit!!

Also comes with the Wendell attatchment.

did you at least get a laugh mod ?

At the bit about the closet, yes.

lol the rock....

Sorry Isaac..

Back on topic then..What about the turnaround from the Hawks board from 14 days to 48 hours??
Why would this be?

Disclaimer he got a lucky title still makes me puke

Rejoice for no Joyce's this christmas in the land of Woolly gong gongs .
Cheers DB5 . love the Mosstril 20000 I am gathering that the 20000 is the daily $ amount needed to sustain such a powerful engine .

Sorry Isaac but Campbell is better than Ng and Copes - why because he is one of the toughest defenders in the league. He isn't getting as many min utes this year as Joyce is playing his son 25-30 minutes agmae - which is absurd.

Rumour: Daniel Joyce to Adelaide Southern Suns.

Not saying that those guys are better than Campbell, just that he's no longer a top-tier player.

The word is that the hawks are in financial trouble, and they are using his 'behaviour' to sack him. Its pretty clear that they are trying to ease there expenditure. Last year they allowed crocs to have discussions with Joyce.

The Bad behaviour - is this swearing during fox matches? If so
this could affect many coaches and now gives clubs another avenue to sack there coaches.

Isacc i agree also reference Campbell he is not a top tear player anymore

This may be a stupid question , but what the go with the "ycoachingy" thingys? Why the y?

Incorrect transcoding of characters from one set to another - probably "Smart Quotes" not being transcoded correctly.

You will see them here and there - e.g., double exclamation mark in place of a dash/hyphen, a weird sideways T in place of an apostrophe, etc.

Billo - Tax my speciality, as I am bored this arvo, I'll give you a free bit of tax advice re Mr Joyce, and maybe even you.

I think (no I know) your comments are probably ok re your situation providing there are multiple contracts with different Employers and no-one organisation pay you more than 80% of your total yearly income.

But I doubt very much he would be ok.

Refer ATO Personal Services Income.....introduced about 6 years ago.

"From 1 July 2000, changes to the tax law may affect the personal services income of contractors and consultants. Income is personal services income if it is mainly a reward for an individual's personal efforts or skills. This applies regardless of whether the income is received directly by the individual or is received by a company, trust or partnership (personal services entity)."

Bottom line for him I think would be that at least 80% of his total income would come from one source ...the Hawks.

And I'm not going to touch the"individuals personal efforts or skills" bit, as thats subjective.

But for him that clause says its all over red rover!

Doesn't nmatter how he declares it, its all his income to him prsonally.

If its less than 80% (but I doubt it) there are then a range of other tests as well.

Hope this clarifies.

No charge.

Forgot to say, and I think it was Lockstock's point - makes no difference whether you are part time or full time, its the source of the income that is the test.

Was going to mention PSI measures to Billo but he's overseas earning gazillion dollars so he's probably forgotten Aus tax law.

I wonder if Joyce will keep his job as Boomer's assistant if he is terminated from the Hawks.

Isaac - wasnt commenting on how good/bad the players are..just the fact that Cambell, Saville and Ballinger would be the only 3 who have stayed longer than 1/2 seasons.

Rat10 and Fiji, I know pretty much how these tests are applied, don't really know the ins and outs intimately as it's been a while since I've plied my trade in Australia, the point I was making about permanent v temporary was the same as you Fiji but without the technicalities spelled out, basically that essentially all his income is derived from the same source and it should therefore be attributed as personal income.

Wow, talk about getting off topic in the worst possible way. Apologies to those who've been caught up in this ugly digression.

A little less tax law, a little more hoops talk.

Maybe the ATO will put him through the Hoops?

is there such thing as a deflated basketball icon?

No ! but there is probably one deflated spirit now :-(