no way

The nice thing about the proposal is that it has VISION. It sees the problems, the opportunities, and the potential downsides, and comes up with an alternative that is based on need.
It'll work.
In the past we've had decisionbs made by a committee that are based on petty jealousy, protectionism, greed, spite etc etc - certainly not the best interests of the game.
Now... what's next? The Junior Program?

paulo, reasons you're against it? Change in season length, change in game nights, change in locations?

The 'Vision' has some good ideas, and the possibility of regulary seeing the local NBL and WNBL playing in the local leagues is a great thing, but the centralising of midweek games out of the dome or Wayville, isn't in my opinion a good idea.

Our club promotes home ABL well and these Saturday night games are well supported by a regularly large crowd. My entire family attend all Saturday night home games and by moving them to midweek at the dome, will only mean that we won't be able to go. Not just me but i would assume alot of other families would find themselves in the same situation.

With the current restructuring occuring , surely we should be trying to take the game to the people, not moving it further away from them.

It strengthens competition (more nbl players and imports), allows for saturday AND midweek games (if people want to have a look), more condensed season is better, gives the chance for summer season league to continue to exist (as happens now), easier for nbl scouts to see all players at a single location. It looks GREAT.

It would be good to somehow still have some saturday night games in the local stadiums.

Umm, no I never said that.

I asked how can you expect club volunteers to give up weeknights, when they have to work, and somehow get to The Dome for a mid week game.

From a stats point of view, at the moment, we dont do summer league, so no real difference to us. However, as they are pushing for a more "professional" summer league as well, I can see the requirement for stats staff coming in to it.

I will admit I have never really been involved with the summer league, and therefore dont know the in's and outs. However, if they propose a 630 start at The Dome, what about the poor club volunteers (STOP, etc) who have to officiate that game. Assuming they finish at 5pm in the City, they somehow have to get home, and then get to the Dome by 6pm, for a 630 finish. The obvious answer would be that they drive to work, which would significantly add costs to them (fuel, parking etc).

I am not against the idea at all, please dont take it that way, just there are considerations that would need to be made in regards to the support staff that are required to run an ABL standard game.

It may be that they keep summer league the more "informal" way they do at the moment, where stats, STOP etc arent required, and they do the scoretable with mums, dads, girl/boyfriends etc...

I agree you can't cut out the local venues. Not only will it diminish crowd numbers, but it will gievan advantage to those teams that live close to those venues, train at those venues, and have played at those venues over the years (think of the disadvantage to eastern, southern, south, centrals). Not to mention the juniors in their club's senior side who have done all of the above in abundance over the years.
Sure, some people might say home court advantage doesn't operate at this level, but I would disagree. You only have to look at the win/loss ratio of a lot of teams home compared to away over the years and that will backup that teams have a home court advantage.
The idea is good IMO, but keep the local stadiums going.

Friday and Saturday night games would work better financially for clubs because game supporters have some the opportunity to be sociable. The evinings normal finish time allows those who wish to "hit the town" plenty of time.

I think its important that each participating club has a supporter base close to their region. Therefore restricting games to just two centres will not work.

Individual clubs need to fill their stadium to create an atmosphere for a high standard competition. So comfort, facilities and capacity are issues that need to be addressed e.g. Generally the dome is too large for a normal ABL match but at a minimum, 300 patrons should be able to see an ABL game in relative comfort.
Name players can attracted to a high standard safe "off season" NBL and WNBL comp because -

The need to prove, show or maintain their skill level for national comps etc.

travel is minimised.

Across the board Adelaide as a centre can provide a reasonable level of facilities comparitively cheaply.

To engender a strong and safe and even competition, referees & referee selectors have to play their part by having National level and top local rated refs and officials available at all times.

Thugs should not be tolerated (judiciary system!) nor should teams that are not competitive at the level (ratings system).

ABL players should also be encouraged to have some association with their clubs junior program. If juniors can identify with the clubs best, they are more likely to support the ABL team as spectators. This drives their parents and friends and increases supporter and member base, thus contributing to the revenue base.

Money I here? Clubs shoul be vigilent. Try to concentrate on the less finacial benefits including care and attention. What the club can do to further the career - coaching, contacts etc.

If we pull out of ABA do we think some of the National players may move interstate and play in a ABA competition. So we lose them and then what happens to our competition as in how do clubs draw the crowds? Just a thought. I don't know if this would happen but it could weaken our comp.

Bring back the Buffaloes and Wednesday night ABL games.

Run the Buffaloes in the SEABL so that young players get the experience of playing agianst tough competition week in week out.

Give them 2 Imports to learn of and spearhead the team and watch the quality of young players improve rapidly.

When the Buffaloes were a force many of the list got runs with NBL teams due to the exposure that they got.

Plus basketball fans get to see the interstate players first hand. Have the Buffaloes host games at different stadiums on weekend to offset the lost revenue of the local ABA games.

Those that experienced the Buffaloes, Norwood and Woodville SEABL teams would acknowlede this was quite a great time to follow basketball with high quality games on every weekend.

Another point as I think....one of the points people seem to claim as a benefit is increased spectators.

How would have a Tigers v Centrals Wwednesday night 630 (or even 7pm) game at The Dome increase spectators for these teams? Would their fans, who would live locally bother to travel? Yes, some would, but I cant see how a lot would. And we are talking ABL, it's not like you would have a lot of fans of other clubs coming to watch 2 teams they dont support.

The other thing with national league players now is. When they play for teams interstate they have to be cleared to that team and then cleared back to the ABL clubs. We didn't have that here because the clubs owned the 36ers and the Lightning. Now that the clubs don't own them any more shouldn't the same thing apply? That these players should be cleared both ways as the BA rules state. I say BA as both national leagues as well as ABA is sanctioned by BA and that is what is written in those bylaws for the codes.

start with the 40k that BASA puts into the Academy as a start plus now that "BASA" does not need to prop up the lightning or the sixers then money to run the squad would not be an issue.

Not necessarily for or against the SEABL idea, but isn't there $40k that's previously been put up for entry into the ABA each year? It was earmarked in this vision for US trips, but could be used elsewhere?

I think something should be done to encourage college, Euro or Asian teams to tour as well.

$100K would be a fairly generous figure to run that sort of team surely. I would think it would be a considerable amount more than that.

If there were two imports per team, it may cut out forty up and coming young local players. Reveue would be a big issue for clubs (losses via no canteen/barbeque/raffles). Maybe stadia could be rotated from week to week.

What a ridiculous proposal. Playing a 12 week season, how would that help to develop our talent. What is wrong with how it is structured now? why change what is working just to suit NBL.

Under this proposal the season runs July-Sept, so NBL players would not be available for the entire 12 weeks anyway. (pre season commitments).

9 mths of pre season is a long time....

Keep it as it is but change the current season to 27 games..

On the Wed night games... fine for the 36ers who dont have to work all day before playing but try working from 9am to 5.30pm and being ready to play a game. Not a fair ask of players.
U want ur Sat nights... u have the entire summer and if u rotate who plays first then u can be all done by 8.30pm every 2nd week.
Shorter season i understand to have rep players able to play the entire season, but cut it down by running more double headers. All other ABL leagues play so many more games than the SA league (play each team 3 times). This also makes teams tougher and more prepared for the National finals weekend.
This year the SEABL and Big V didn't start until April, why not just follow that tack???

As for the summer season, WNBL and NBL players are never going to be available so run it as a full season Oct/Nov-Feb for all those not playing national league so they can gear up for the ABL season properly and not be even further behind those coming off a rep season.

good point baller, the wed night games would be a struggle for people who have to work. All you want to do the day of a big game is bugger all.

This is the perfect solution. Get back to when basketball was quality in this state. Hell.....I might even come out of retirement!

Leave ABL to weekends. Some say they have a social life and would like to do somthing other than basketball. For my family, our social life revolves around basketball to a huge degree.

Some may say this is pathetic (& you are certainly entitled to your opinion) but the fact is we are a family of 4 basketball nuts. NBL, WNBL, ABL, District, NBA, we love it.

I feel that going to a mid week comp would kill the already low crowd support and spell disaster for the clubs. I also think having all games under 1 roof is not a good money spinner for clubs that actually make some income from their bars & canteens.

Could you imagine the SANFL playing all its games at Footy Park Mid week? Huge stadiums with little or no crowd do nothing for a sport.

100-200 people at Hillcrest looks and sounds a whole lot better than 300-400 at the Dome.

I go to the weekend Saturday and Sunday games and other supporters that I know of, as it is the start of our night out. I buy heaps at the bar and canteen and support my club at their stadium and also when they play away at the opposition's stadium. I will NOT attend many week night games at all, as I have heavy work commitments Mon to Fri as well as my own gym and sport commitments. This mooted change is a BAD idea for many people, especially those with sport playing sons and daughters who have mid week trainings and/or games. BASA and clubs will lose both supporters and dollars with this plan.

Playing all games at one stadium will destroy the very fabric of club culture and severely dent already club financial difficulties. Depending on the opposition and the venue will add another qualifying criteria as to whether or not I will travel to the game, compared to my reasons for going all the time now.

Maybe Mr ABC wants all the games at the Dome so he can recoup his investment and maybe others are being used and manipulated and cajoled as puppets to push "his barrow"??