Ta4L
I take it your team lost and istead of taking responsability you choose instead to bitch about the umpires.....

Every time I've played at Nunawading the refs seemed to be on the side of the Vics. However, they also ref very differently over there in terms of body contact so it could also be that it appeared they were on the Vics side when in fact the Vic teams just knew what to expect

Anon, you don't need to be there to tell if someone is a tool.... I would agree with you that the better ref's in melbourne are umpiring at the classics so the standard would be lower.

However in my 22 years in basketball I have only ever seen one umpire which I thought was a cheat... and It would have more than likely been because I was giving them a hard time on the court.

my point was that any time people loose and think the umpiring was bad they claim "Bias" against them.

poor sportsmenship and a good way to deflect the fact the playing standard might have sucked big time.

yeh, my team lost.. i was also in the C pool, so the reffs might have been worse.. We were also playing a Division 1 regional team! But the Vic's were bumping and hastling us all game and they wer'd called for nothing. we were getting picked up for EVERYTHING.. u say there'd more contact alowed, not in our games, we would breathe on them and a foul would be called. One of our players got called for a Tech foul for giving the ball to the opposition after a goal was scored!.. they were abusing and trash tlaking us, and tehy just got warning, like 5 warnings might i add!.. i do umpire myself, and i know how hard it is, i also can see blayten cheating! and this wsa Vics looking after Vic's at its best!!

The Refs for the Nunawading tournament come from all over Melbourne and you seem to want to make it a Vic V SA thing which is crap. I saw Norwood 18 boys get a call at the end of the game which put Darebin out of contention but that is only my opinion. The refs saw it differently so thats how it goes. Many refs also come from Interstate.if you say you were playing a Div 1 Regional team that would be like 4 Levels Below VC in Vic which sounds about C grade Level.

Blayten cheating? Lol, what is blayten??

I would never say there was cheating but the refs did allow a lot of heavy body contact and seemed to call every soft hand foul. Heard of 2 girls being taken away in ambulances with neck injuries.Out of 5 games we played only once did it seem a fair and consistent call from both refs, in fact they were excellent,and we told them ,and as we were beaten no sour grapes.

I agree (#85478) but on the other hand it makes it very hard to talk to the refs and find out why the call was made or what he/she did wrong when the ref refuses to talk to you even when you ask nicely! A classic example of this was in a match i played in Melb when a coach was Teched and then Teched again after calling a time-out and trying to talk to the ref, because he was double teched he was asked to leave. He then explained the situation as he was passing and the Ref decided to reverse the tech. Weather this was the correct thing to do or not it proves the point that sometimes Coachs and even players are victimised because at somestage the ref has been abused (in the match or a previous match) because of this it can make it very had to play the game if you don't know the refs thinking.

I regard to SA teams being reffed out of the game unless it is blatent cheating (which i have seen). In most situations i think it may just be that after one or two bad calls (lets face it everyone makes mistakes) everyone on that team suddenly jumps on the refs backs and every call is percived as a bad one. Overall i think the reffing over there was fairly good

Yeah that was the call that probably changed the tournament for Norwood.It was a great comeback from 16 points down. As soon as the foul was called i said this kid will make all 3 which he did. Just thought it was after the shot was taken thats all. But Norwood proved their quality in this game.

the tournament is so big it is all hands on deck for refs

you will get anything from a mini ball green shirt ref to a panel / abl - it is a real mixed bag

as long as the interpretations are consistent both ends

so many of them appear burnt out over the big weekends

Ta4L
If you are a umpire yourself then i think you should quit, because umps don't need people like you getting on here and claiming your team has been cheated.
take some responsability

one under 16s game 27 fouls to 6.not one sided!

we had fouls the same, we had 5 quick fouls called, then the reff gave the opposing coach a high 5, what do you think of that?

im not makin it up, and that is exactly how it happenend, interperate it the way u wont!

Ta4L...You sound like many of the sooks that i have come across in basketball where the whole world is against you and your team, Are you saying that you have never won any games because of some calls that have gone your way. What a whinger you are and you must be one hell of a ref.

What's the deal with everyone using the alias "Mr T" these days? Please find another alias as Mr T is already used. Thankyou.

Ta4L,
Was this your first interstate competition or carnival involving victorian referees?
They have a different interpretation of the rules and do tend to let a lot more hard stuff go. Everyone knows this. To expect anything different is plain stupidity on your behalf. To assume that, because the umpiring is different, it must be biased, is idiotic. Such claims should be met with laughter.
A good player adapts to the standard of umpiring. If the umpires were calling soft hands fouls then your players should have kept their hands off. Kinda simple when it's put down in words isn't it...
Seems to me that you want to blame your teams lack of skill in adaptation to the only people who can't defend themselves, the victorian officials.
BTW: Those guys did roughly 15-20 games over the whole weekend, just some food for thought.
Also, while understanding your frustration, I would like to remind you that it only takes a moment to check your spelling before submitting a post.