Settle down.

I'm sure it doesn't break forum rules for someone to simply post the team list.

I think that's all the original poster was asking for.

If you want to know who is the Country teams just go to SA Country web site. The U16 and U18 are all on there. Good luck to all player and coaching staff for girls and boys in both ages groups.

"only lost 1 game to an SA team as top age U/12, U/14 and U/16's" - being pedantic, but I think you will find that it is more than that...

Having said that, why wouldn't you choose the most players from the best side by far. Add some shooters and boys that play with the passion of the underdog and it will be a good team. :-)

The english language is pretty hard to master I suppose, I thought I was being complementary.

My memory isn't very good, but I thought Sturt lost the Winter grand final in U/12s (could have won but I think #44 or #14 missed an open layup near the end of the game...) and they lost to Norwood in about June / July 2002. Were there no losses since then? Results in U/12s is really irrelevant now anyway. And I suppose being correct doesn't matter to the arguement either...

You correctly point out that I know nothing about how to win at State level - but then how many in SA actually do? :-P

Pegs

You are thinking of the group of kids after this group - they lost a final to norwood. This group lost to west not long ago.

Just listen to them they do know what they are talking about

Bloody cold up here in the hills

didnt the sturt 16 1 boys lose this year against west?

yes and the tall boy was out

Has any body considered that the SAC teams might be the ones for metro to watch at nationals.

Any news on the girls team?

Thanks 83348.How is the spread across the clubs?

What about the 16 girls country team?? Are they a chance ??

83559,

You can find team lists for all 4 Metro teams here.

There's also a link to the SA Country teams down the bottom of the page.

Have seen the Vic Metro U16 Boys play a practice match. Very good group, all 10 could start.

Metro girls are huge and very strong as well.

Looking like Vic Metro double.

Would say they are determined to get the double again after Vic Country knocked off their boys last year!!

Who won the 16 girls metro v country at the weekend?? Any goss

i RECKON metro girls look pretty big. Some very talented names there!
Give it time.

What makes you think its a first for Country to beat Metro? U16 Boys beat Metro by 25pts in the crossover at Nationals in Tas 2003. Then by about 16pts in a game before the 36ers same year. 2002 U16 Country boys won Silver at the Nationals. But its nice to see the metro teams being called Metro and not State.

I think Country only lost to Metro in U16 Girls in 2005 by 1pt.From what I've heard about the Metro coaches behaviour on Sat I'm glad my child is country!

84594 there is no State Basketball until U20 before then it is Metro and Country. The only people who think otherwise are from SA Metro, some are only fooling themselves into thinking they are more important than country. The powers that be should but Metro on their uniforms like every other State and get over themselves.

By the way I thought the names were State Metro and State Country. Atleast thats what is written on the trial forms.

An inferiority complex! to whom.
Country don't go around saying they are something they aren't and if some Metro people didn't blow their own bags this topic wouldn't have even come up. Some people are pretty quick to put Country down. Their the ones with the complex! Its a matter of making themselves feel better by talking others down. The sad part about it is I'm pretty sure its not even kids but adults. The majority of kids from both teams seem to get on well. Play together one day, against each other the next no problems. All I want to see is equal credit to all players who make these teams and equal oppurtunities. It take a lot of work to get to this standard and I hope all the SA teams do well but the sooner some people can see this the better it will be for Basketball in SA. Anything can happen at the Nationals.

At no point did I whine. I didn't put Metro down simply stated facts. The only negative, was to the Metro U16 Coach. I wasn't there but he supposedly called the girls the "Biggest Mob of lazy B..... he'd ever coached" it was inappropriate and unnecessary. All I'm saying is we need to get on call things what they are and improve basketball in SA. The majority of these kids are putting in their best effort, they play because they love the game, very few will make a career out of the sport, 4 most it will be a fantastic experience that they will hopefully remember fondly. There can only be one winning team so lets keep it in perspective and encourage the kids in both teams.

Both teams have strengths and glaring weaknesses. Metro have no posts and country have no quality guards and unless country plan to take the relatives who umpired both their games at SASI, they are unlikely to be given the ride they appeared to get in those games in Ballarat. I conceived, carried and delivered in less time than country had the ball in the back court.
(Mod: Removed. Read the rules.) Country, however, need to overcome their coach. There's a widely held perception that Country coaches ,coaching in district, promote their pet country charges rather than do what's best for their district team. Then there's their high turn overs and weight of parental expectations.
It's ironic that the powerhouse of junior b'ball, Sturt is also the instrument of death to stronger metro teams. By going for the short term view of junior premierships and by stacking their teams with 5 and 6 country players they have denied the development of that same number of metro kids.
Perhaps sa country should field teams in district but then sa country would need to put its money where its mouth is rather than brag of its solvent state.
To be arguing about country finishing ahead of metro or vice versa is to take your eye off the ball. Both teams I hope , finish ahead of the pack.

I have to say the saying about all players should be orphans is true. The girls would be a lot better off if "parents" kept their noses out of it and simply let the coaches do their job.
In fact they should stick to their own backyard and forget about other teams if they have nothing positive to say. (I wonder if your daughter and team mates are impressed with your comments - I suspect not!
Kal I await with interest to see you drive the knife into the "country coach" when the wheels fall off (I hope they don't) but rest assured something normally goes belly up at some stage at the Nationals.

Instead of having cheap shots have you considered the results the 16's metro coach has achieved in past years - the team rarely under achieved and often over achieved.
Kal you might also consider the huge renumeration (NOT) the coaches receive for having the honour of spending countless hours coaching the girls at training as well as at the nationals. I suggest you chill out support YOUR team & forget the other stuff.

Hmmmm, i wonder which state (metro or country) coach has been posting on this thread ....

IP, what makes you think a metro or country coach would bother posting comments on this thread ?
I would suggest by Kal's comments the metro coach has more than enough problems and the country coach would be scratching his head wondering what he is going to do to avoid one of his parents.

(#84627) - smells very familiar

All the u/16 state teams leave in 9 days time good luck to all and do your best. Hope to see some good games.

Well anon #85205.
I believe you do discriminate at Sturt... against city kids. You actively recruit country players and your recently returned U/14s victorious classic's girl team has 5 or 6 country players.
How does this help the development of city kids and how do you see this as improving kids who want to improve? A lot of city parents would love to know.
If you are so altruistic and want to help kids improve then improve the kids in div 2 who don't get the chance because of the country recruits.
Running 5 or 6 country kids in 14's and 16's simply weakens metro state, causes player loss and is short sighted.
I think its time to consider one or more of the following.
# zone country areas and spread the talent evenly.
# SA country run teams out of Sturt, North etc as country teams.
# Declare Mount Barker metro as it no longer is country and Mavericks play out of there in the local comp.25 minutes from the CBC is not country.
# Have no more than one country player per team.
Clearly the rules stopping clubs from running two div 1 teams has had unexpected ramifications and this may have to be revisited.
Sturt is a great club, great coaches in the main but flooding teams with country players will have a negative impact.

Mambo, no more than 1 country kid per team, fantastic idea, then parents that car pool not only get to drive to the city, but all around it as well. It would be pretty rare to get 1 country kid, generally they come in at least 2s or 3s, think about it, if you only have to drive that far once every 3 weeks its not as big a commitment as every week.

If SAC ran teams out of a club they would have to start their own, as it would be seen as favouring players for playing for "club x" come selection time, so I cant see them running teams out of any club.

Mt Barkers competition is run seperately to the Mavericks, and like other clubs, some live across the metro "border" and some across the country, all changing Mt Barker to Metro will do is shift the border, giving metro more players to chose from.

To kind of keep with the thread... good luck SA Country and SA Metro.

Without trying to exhaust myself let me tell u if my kid didn't move from MAVS they would NOT be playing basketball!!! We made our own enquiries, local club did NOT recruit us, WE recruited THEM!!! AND THANK GOODNESS FOR THAT! MAVS don't give too hoots about their juniors. Recently someone else just left and said 'they wished they had left years ago'. You just don't realise the extent of what you missing until you GO. IT IS HUGE!

The current u/14 girls team at sturt has a larger number of country players , more than usual. They also happen to be the best 4 players in SA.

This only highlights the difference in this age group,and is really unusual.

to attract the country kids to your club you must build your "brand" as sturt has been doing for a while now.
The reason they are attacked by other clubs is they are a better prospect for talented players!!
The other clubs will lift in the next 12 months because they can clearly see the sturt model is working.
There will be changes at the good clubs to bridge the gap.

Sturt are doing better than any other club in Australia, and it is all good for our clubs who must rise to the standards they have set.

Which clubs will rise Indiana?

Forestville definately have some good talent in lower grades and the development league seems to be assisting them as well as Sturt.
Norwood are dicussing a similar model which could involve North(possibly).
Speakinmg to Travis Leaver over the weekend they are unhappy with their current situation and are changing systems.
North are filled with talent and only a couple of years away, plus the loss (possible) of Centrals will strengthen their recruiting area.
Talking to all the non sturt people they seem to be on the same page regarding changes (internally) to get back the gap.

OK Indiana, good to hear your club making some innovative moves.

85320

The only way is ...Baby

85320

The only way is up ...Baby

oops.

Tad ironic of Southern to be unhappy with their current situation when they are the ones who created it.

Read "they" as The President and his Yes men.

BMG your a bitch.
Sniping, again.
Not talking on this thread anymore.

I kinda don't get how a thread titled "Under 16 State" ended up as a discussion about Club Development or lack there of.

And, yes, I am a bitch. What's your point?

I think that you should just back off and leave the coaches alone and keep your opinions to yourself!!! It is the coaches decision what i done and said. - leave it at that.

(#85273) - obviously your really new to this forum. He's a few words of advice

(from the forum guidlines)

- Be aware, though, that generally people place more value in posts from someone using an alias or real name. If you used a name more people might read what you say, and some may even place some value on it.

- Don't talk about your club as 'we' and 'us' unless you actaully have a 'role' there. I'm sure your club wouldn't like some irate, quick trigger parent plastering their views on hoops under the guise of their clubs view.

Good to see that you have an opinion mambo, but might be better to develop an understanding of something before you form an opion that you want to share with the world.

Been there done that and it doesn't work

(#86031) was me

George,

People who know me, know the way I post. I don't need an alias, which other people can copy to let people know who I am. You never know I might just use george the next time I post and give you a bad rep.

And I can use 'we' because I am a representitive of the most succesful club opperating currently in SA. After the June long weekend it might be possible to say the most successful club currently in Australia.

I love the way people like yourself try and hide behind the guidelines of the forum when you could be anybody. George is an alias which is just as non-descript as anon. You could be anybody just like me.

Well, if you want us to take you seriously, put up your basketball resume on your next post. I 'guarentee' I've got you covered. That I have been involved in most levels of basketball, including internationally with some success. If you want to argue credentials then give us yours because ritgh now nobdy knows who you are or waht your credentials are!

85273 - typical norwood post. Think you run the whole comp!

You're the one blowing up your ego here, how about you name your credinatials! oh that's right, because you've got none!

I hardly think a 3rd placing classes you as the most successful club in australia!

You could be anybody just like me.

oh yeah, and great job of turning a post that was meant to be about the u16 state boys, something you have absolutely no interest in at all, into your own little ego-pump.

well done, Kiddo!

great, two more anon's that are more wise than anyone else!

Are you all washed-up coaches/parents?

Looks like George wants to go Iddiotic Incorrect Assumptions for $400

You might want to deduct $20 from that $400 for a dictionary. ;)

Thanks Isaac, my DDDDouble jepodddddy skills are not strong

Dear Prime Minister and cabinet#5273
Were you developing those players you recruited from the Mavericks (area)? Why recruit div 1 players at all if you are so good at development? Surely good coaches develop their 2's to become good players with exposure and coaching or are the short term trophies and glory your goal?
Is stacking your team full of country recruits (14s girls),in a weaker than normal year for the majority of teams, really any different for those team you play than ' playing div 2 players who get beaten badly?' Many would say not! You said you don't develop when you are unable to compete at div 1 level- your words.Is stacking a team of full of country recruits helping the other teams develop? This is having your cake and eating it too- catch 22, our div 2 kids can't cut it in div 1 but if we build a super team it will develop the other weaker teams. Sturt logic. There are 2 teams in Under 14 girls around the same mark with sturt slightly ahead and the rest are developing their squads. Using your logic, all the other teams need to recruit between 4 and 6 country kids and 'develop' the rest.

RE ZONING: If Hill and Holmes were zoned to a club which club was going to turn them away or which club was not going to develop their skills?- or are you suggesting only sturt possess the staff to make ball player? Zoning would stop super teams developing through poaching which it appears some clubs have perfected and encourage real development.Some may think you zone now by preferencing div 1 country recruits and turning others away.

Re Mount Barker being country. Yes technically but not geographically any longer. Mavericks may have been able to field competitive teams if certain clubs had not "recruited' players that Mavs developed and left it in tatters. Moreover Mavs more than any distict club
should lay claim to country recruits if as you say, they're
country.

Re 1 country player per team. If as you suggest may happen, 10 or more players want to play then doesn't that add credence to my suggestion that SAC should field teams in district and run them out of district clubs that are zoned east west etc? But of course as you say, that makes no sense at all.

Re my lack of understanding of things basketball and my need to learn a lot more before I speak, thank you for your advice on my development but given the hypocrisy of your development policy I think I'll recruit some country advice in preference my dear old thing.
Can the ideas by all means, but don't ridicule the person in an attempt to silence them as it lessens you.I tend to think we need to have more debates on the rights and wrongs in BBall and to encourage more to have their say.Trying to be God is lonely and even tho your always right be more tolerant of us less fortunate.
Penultimately, I think its a little early to be bragging about you mighty U/14 girls team as world beaters. You took out the Easter tournament with an easier draw than you chief rival, a game less, and your country girls didnt play the SAPSASA Bball all day Friday like the city girls and in the classic they( you're girls ) were wonderful(genuine CONGRATULATIONS) but they had the softer draw. So perhaps there's more to unfold yet.
Lastly, on development. Both Norwood and North Adelaide U/14's girls have DEVELOPED enormously and are now not too far away. Congratulations to them and their developers.
night...night Prime Minister
Mambo

Correct me if I'm wrong but Sturt was in the BASA competition before Mavs and therefore these players use to play for sturt. Have a check of how many players use to play for sturt in your ABL team. Maybe check your last years team while your there. Or maybe the year before as well. I believe that the ones that were playing for sturt were playing due to a lack of district club in the hills. Therefore there was no poaching occurring. Once the team (Mavs) was created the players returned. to the mavs.

Let me tell u though, the sensible ones won't be heading back to Mavs! Until they give their juniiors some time and genuine growth development - forget it! Still cant believe people are saying clubs 'poach' them from Mavs? We don't get our monies worth, see just what we're missing, and wish we'd done it years ago!

I think the mavs kids suffer from country commitments prior to x-mas.
I know this is the time I use to catch the other clubs.
Some times in oct - dec they didnt train for two to 3 weeks at a time.
This is a structure that wont have a outcome of improvement.

RE: 85322, so how are all these new moves going. The only way is up might have been premature. After results at State Champs this yr it is - we hope.