I agree. refs need to focus on becoming better communicators, stop been so sensitive and have some fun.

The best ref I ever had was Mal Cooper who would give you as much talk and feedback and have alot of fun. The problem is refs now see themselves as a victim because everyone is talking about the abuse refs cop.

Abuse and heated/controlled/light hearted banter are different things.

I reffed the game, and shook hands afterwards.

The reason stated at the time for my partner refusing to shake hands is that the player concerned had spent much of the game bagging him behind his back to all and sundry (whoever would listen).

The players comments were quite vitriolic (Bitterly scathing; caustic) and unwarranted.

My partner thought the player was somewhat two-faced wanting to shake hands after dishing out the personal abuse.

I also had issues with the player concerned during the game (needless whinging).

Now you all have the facts, draw your own conclusions.

here here #80326. Unfortunately some players and refereed don't understand this fundamental principle of sport. A common conversation I've had goes something like: 'I hate that guy', so I ask 'do you know him off the court at all' to which they respond 'nah just played against him'. IMO that's a pretty closed minded view and probably a hypocritical one in many people's cases, and in my view the players that cop and dish out a bit of their own nasty during a game but smile and shake hands at the end are the ones I respect the most. Play hard and go home I say

I thought Mav's played Southern last night in the men???

yeah they did up at m/vale. it ended up being a 1 point game with matty clarke knocking a 3 pointer with 5 seconds to go.
also from what i saw both teams players and coaches showed respect to the referee's.
a lot of people could learn from their behaviour.
it helped that the 2 referee's showed good communication skills by explaining some of their decisions to the players and coaches as well.

I have a young child reffing at the moment (under 14 y.o) An ABA/NBL ref gave our child some general advice on the game which I thought was excellent.

He told our kid the best thing they could do before a match was to introduce themselves to the coaches and shake their hands. I thought this was great advice to a young ref.

When my child told the local umpire in charge what they where going to do before the match the kid was talked out of it saying that kind of thing should be saved for the NBL!!!!

I dont for 1 second claim my kid is a great ref, they are still learning, but I would have thought a young ref introducing themselves to each coach before the match was a great step forward.

Briuce, yer the player in question sounds like he deserved it then.

Stick to the advise of the Aba/Nbl ref because they are there for a reason.
The uic is more than likely a has been who never was....

The ref not shaking the players hand is not a good way to end a game and the player should have also understood that having a personal attack on a ref is probably not the best approach.

You can talk to a ref by approaching them as a person or talk to a ref but having a go at them. Which one will get the ref's respect? If a player has a go at me then you have to defuse the situation quickly before the player gets un settled.

Bruce did an excellent job shaking the players hands. Right comment about ref's becoming better communicators is spot on and I think the same goes for everyone involved in the game. Anon (#80341) saying that ref's are on the defensive foot is also true. Do the ref's get educated in communicating with players and coaches?

people, shut up.

Refs can be good, bad whatever way you look at it you always end up with one conclusion- they are refs, no one will ever fully 100% agree with there calls. Whine for a while but no one else wants to hear it. I play and have had the bad refs against us but in return we have had bad refs for us. I have endured both so Shut up and get over it all.

bad day at work...

Interesting that on ESPN, David Stern (NBA Commissioner) has admitted that NBA refs miss 5% of calls.

"EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. -- While saying he was happy with the way the officials are handling the playoffs, commissioner David Stern acknowledged on Tuesday that NBA referees are missing about 5 percent of the calls.


"Is the question do I think the officials miss a play? Absolutely!" Stern said during an impromptu news conference before the New Jersey Nets and Indiana Pacers met in Game 5 of their first-round series.

"It happens at least probably 5 percent of the time," Stern added."

Bring on Paul Welby Wellbourne.

This guy does get bagged occassionally and does talk to players quite a bit on the court. Yes we may hate his calls on the court but people still talk with him after a game. Even if he may have had a shocker.

Secondly what ever happen to referee admitting when they may have had a shocker. Admit they made a bad call. Just don't keep admitting every game.

There are a couple of referees going around that are very good at the above.

Wellbourne
Durant
Ryan
Vagar

Atleast these guys can talk to players on court without the need for techs and throwing guys out

I don't agree with a personal atack upon the referee but to decline shaking hands after the game is immature.
Bruce you need to teach your junior that if it gets personal, dish out a tech. If it's not personal, talk to the player so they understand the referees perspective on the call.
ALWAYS shake hands after the game whether you think the guy is a dick or not. It's poor form not to.

Do what Richard Orlick used to do, smile, shake hands, say "Good game/thanks for the game", then turn around and under your breathe say "dickhead".

I totally agree with the introduction thing with coaches at start of game, people generally respond to professionalism. If ref walks out in shorts, white shoes, untucked shirt, automatically think it's going to be a long night.

As always, communication is key. I shudder to think what that young ref will cop next time he refs that player. Better to act professional and start with a clean slate next game.

Sixers33 - you sure you're not bizzy?

Has this got something to do with Barney?

Bizzy is nothing to do with Barney. Bizzy is someone who used to have a lot of spare time at his work and posted a lot on the forum. He might be a bit of a motormouth but he's a decent guy and I don't remember him ever "crying" on the forum because he was worried that the Sixers might leave Adelaide.

john lawrence - we need your expert comments on this area - to shake or not to shake

or shake 'n' bake ?

Good thing John doesn't know individuals on this website, few people on here could receive techs for "belittling an offical".

Can you get a tech for belittling an offical court-side announcer?

he is fine - it is all in jest!

john knows me and i am a mate

good to have a strong character around - who is not scared to shoot from the hip

Sun Fan - Are you a mate, or are you John?
Lawrence has made a name for himself on here for all the wrong reasons.

Did I see that John Lawrence has a friend in this state!!!!

Wow!.....the world really is a strange place!

RIGHT!!! STINKING ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!! EITHER YOU PEOPLE START SHOWING YOUR GUTLESS FACES WHEN YOU START MAKING COMMENTS ABOUT ME... OR STFU!!! AT LEAST I HAVE THE BALLS TO SHOW MY FACE WHEN I SAY SOMETHING, INSTEAD OF COWERING BEHIND CYBERSPACE LIKE SOME SCARED PUSSY! AND THAT GOES TRIPLE FOR STEWIE GRIFFIN!!! AND IF THEY SOUND LIKE FIGHTING WORDS... BELIEVE ME... THEY ARE!!!

big words for a little child

and not afraid to back them up!

John,

I think you have "Caps Lock" stuck on. You can fix this by pressing the "Caps Lock" button, it should be located under the "Tab" button on the left hand side of your keyboard.

:D

(Mod: And I'll add this...)

Never mind you seem to have found it.

ITA...Gold!

I think that last post deserves a ball Isaac?

Thanks Slacker,

Just trying to help the guy out, things like that are important to know. Especially when you have your own forum to manage.

Isaac, he's on a roll...could it be ball no 2???

lol nice add mod!!! If i knew how to add pics i woulda done that too.

John Lawrence

What is STFU?

You need to work on your spelling sir. I know what you were trying to say but if you go to the effort of caps lock and fighting words please do not sugar-coat it.

Bill,

apart from the fact u can work it out. John is a busy man and does not have time to check posts in THIS forum.

The majority of his time is spent in the "other" forum. By the way if you are going to visit the said forum, i suggest you wear some saftey gear... I kept getting knocked over by all the tumbleweeds.

GOLD!

If someone wants to post something outlandish, then it's fine to call them on it, but I'd rather that people not continue the John Lawrence teasing in every thread please. Sometimes it's funny, sometimes it's shooting fish in a barrel.

QUESTION:
Who the fuck is John Lawrence exactly?

(Multiple answers allowed)

A - Moderator of the SA's most successful Basketball Forum and level 5 accredited umpire?

B - An Isaac Wanna-be?

C - A ABL Wanna-be?

D - A Knob?

(Remember folks, there is always one answer you can immediately rule out.)

I dunno the guy, but from the posts I've read, I know the answer certainly isn't A.

PS - John, please note my ability to turn the CAPS LOCK button on and off. Practice makes perfect and you are a long way off!

My mum told me that if you do what John Lawrence seems to do constantly, then you can expect to grow hairs on the palm of your hands.
my advice to John is, find somthing else to occupy your hands.

http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200311/r12407_29764.jpg

"There are a couple of referees going around that are very good at the above.

Wellbourne
Durant
Ryan
Vagar

Atleast these guys can talk to players on court without the need for techs and throwing guys out"

Bill Gates,

Thanks for including me in the list of the refs. But there are other refs who are also deserving of this accolade!

who Matt?

So out of the following who are the top three you would pick to ref nbl in the future?

Bridgeman
Clover
Durant
Harvey
Hughes
Just
Maidment
Macdonald
Northcote
Pepecali
Welbourn
Wilson-Smith

But she is not a NOrth Chick? Matty wouldnt rate her.

Matty, are you thanking Bill because he missed the T you gave out last friday night ;)

At least you smiled when you gave it to him, and made him "earn" it.