All past times, not sports.

doesn't lawn bowls have someone that is in supervisory capacity if the distance is in doubt etc

ten pin bowling you are right (i think) but at competition level is there a tournament committee that oversees disputes?

in competition billards or 8 ball their is a umpire who watches for touched balls

I can't make any meaningful contribution to this thread but am happy to use it to change tack ever so slightly:

Is tennis the only sport where you have to warm up with the person/opposition you're about to play? You just can't imagine two basketball teams coming out and doing layups together, for example - or throwing a couple of quick warm-up jabs on the chin of your rival if you're a boxer.

Watching the tennis the last few days, it just seems weird that before you attempt to start beating up on your opponent, you have to play nice with them first.

Poker has an adjudicator (sp?)to make sure bets are correct and that there are no time delays.

Ten Pin Bowling has a pro circuit in the USA ( doesn't everything?) so that would be a sport IMO.

just curios how many disputes could there be in Ten Pin Bowling? It is not like you can argue that the ball was not out or that the pin did fall down.

#67099 maybe your partner is the judge (isn't a judge another type of referee)

yes bo tennis is a bit strange in that aspect badmington, table tennis would be the same and possibly volleyball

Kent - perhaps i was thinking if the you kept your own score and decided to shave a few pins off your score who judges your sheet is correct or does your partner have the right to bash you senseless in frustration at the end of the game.

i say that the tv coverage of Ten Pin Bowling would increase if it meant that any complaints were satisfied with duelling pistols ( possibly in the shape of bowling pins for novelty factor).

The bowlers would be lined up back to back along the lane march the required steps and then bang bang.


wow that Red Bull has really kicked in.....

67095

what i'm after i suppose is to see if there is a sport that at high level or comp level not just two friends have a friendly game of tennis calling their own errors etc

that doesn't involve some real time umpiring

once a game is created aka basketball once dr naismith created the games he created rules for it to be played by. by creating rules everyone is playing the same game not variations of it. to ensure rules are played by you have some sort of judge or referee

swimming have judges who watch the starts, the lanes, the changes, the finishes. they have offical timers.

it sort of like what comes first the chicken or the egg if the game is established and rules are part of keeping that game that particular game - you can't continue the growth of the game, any game without some type of officaldom, or IMO you would end up with a game, even if it was tiddlywinks dominated by the crafiest, loudest, toughest etc.

in that case then Kent so would syncronised swimming can you see them being held under water by their opponents if there was a dispute?

If one syncronised swimmer drowned would the others have to do the same?

Sailing, sailboarding, fishing, surfing are things that may not require an umpire.

fishing comps have a judge and so do the rest of the sports you suggested Dick,

also golf there is a Official who follows every group how tea off making sure they adhere to the rules and to the spirit of play

i'm pretty sure chess has some sort of umpire or judge

Sorry Thomo, I was going along the lines of the question that what sport can be performed without the necessity of an umpire.

rollerball

ultimate frisby requires no umpire either

but pickles is ultimate frisby a mainline sport?

can't think of the last time i saw an ultimate frisby comp of any description

ultimate frisby isan insane sport. played it in pe lastYear

Marbles

BTW Lawn Bowls is at the commenwealth games

just curious.. have you ever looked for it?? i think it's pretty popular overeseas, not so high profile here.

yeah ultimate frisby is pretty popular in the US, especially amoung people at college

hacky sack, it has rules but no umpire.

i dont think you could really call it a sport tho, otherwise you could say crap like skipping and hopscotch, and that would just be getting stupid!

Underwater basket weaving.

I play Ultimate for Adelaide Uni. It's a great sport, the no umpire thing gives it a great atmosphere.

The only umpireless sports would be those that involve a measurement of distance. You can't dispute the distance once measured however some sort of overseer has to be there to ensure that it is achieved correctly and within the rules. If its a competition of any sort, someone has to be the judge.

Junior tennis - the kids make their own calls! I am amazed at how honest they are...

Practically everything at Winter Olympics as the umpires are smart and aren't going out in the cold!