Any other results from last night?

Time to speak in defence of the statitiscians I guess.

Unfortunately, if you happen to click on the wrong player, as they are coming on court, the system registers it, until you realise your error.

Did you perhaps geta copy of the stats before they had been checked off as official?

I know that every half and full time, I always check points and fouls against the official score sheet, and we rectify anything that we may have missed (thankfully, not very often).

Blocks are very subjective to call, and I know I miss some from time to time.

Sounds loike a good game, wish I had gone, but I caught a stomach bug and wasnt venturing anywhere far from home :)

Last night - A Webber confirmed his status as an ABL Starting 5 player with a shutdown job on Darren Ng! After hittin alot of tough shots over Christian Bell, Webber did his job well harrassing and keeping him out of the game.

The only thing that kept Woodville in at the end was Norwood's foul shooting - going into the last few minutes comfortable, Norwood missed 7 consecutive foul shots!

Managed to hold on by 2 in the end!

Who managed to hold on?? the Warriors or the Flames?

Norwood :D

With little webbers form in recent weeks maybe he should have got a letter from potsie as well!

Excellent review Issac. Being a Tiger fan, it was a dissappointing display by our boys. If someone told me prior to the game that the tigers would restrict sturt to 78 points, i would say we would have won, perhaps easily. For a team to score 66 in a half against norwood, 116 against fville, but to be kept to 65 here, tells the story. The way the boys played, they did not deserve to win, simply, not potent enough offensively (poor shooting to blame <30% FG%).

To comment on the game overall, there are both promising signs and major concerns for Sturt overall. I like the way they had a good spread of scorers. Credit to Southern keeping some of the guns quiet. As the match unfolded, it was spurts of good individual play by Forman, Bauer, Shepherd and Wilkey that kept the score ticking over for the sabres. Another +ve is keeping a team to 65 shooting at <30%, credit their defensive intensity, making the tigers catch the ball way outside the arc. Of concern though must be their inability to post a winning score. By that i mean close to 100. Now, i am a southern supporter, but from memory, the Sabres have struggled to put up in excess of 80 for consequtive games now, not ideal running into the post season.

I guess the good news to come from that is, there is room for improvement on a system that has claimed Southern and Eastern in consequtive weeks.

From a Tiger point of view:
1. Gerlach looked very classy. Could have taken any or all of the sabres defenders on.

2. I think Bowley played good D on Forman. Forman finished with 21 points on 8/18, and it was only a period in the second quarter where Oscar looked dominant 4/4 from the field including the nice 2 hand dunk. Incidently it was when Bowley was taking a rest.

3. That was their worst game for the year (that i have seen) and to go down by 13, whilst not reflecting the closeness of the contest, is probably still a good result. Play like that next week against woodville and it will be a whole lot uglier!!!

4. Stats ppl at pasadena need glasses. Forman played well, but 20 DRB seems excessive, also the lack of Blocks being credited (Gerlach and Forman) and if Bowley had 5 TRB i must have been watching something else...

I agree with this, but the Pistons have recently shown that you can win with a score under 80, and the Pasadena stats people are tough on all stats. I usually count Oscar's rough stats and 20 boards in 45 minutes isn't unrealistic and was on the mark last night -- think of it as 5 boards a quarter, and he was getting a lot of Sturt's rebounds and played most of the game. Right now he's not losing 8 RPG to Jason which isn't hurting.

It was unlucky for more than a couple of a team's starters to have an off-night (Pochintesta/Hodges/Bowley). I think that only Gower of Sturt's starters would've been expecting a significantly better offensive game from himself.

Pochintesta just disappears -- I noticed it in the game down at MV as well. Oscar is the same; often I'd guess his points total after a game as maybe 13-17 and find that he's had 20+. And Bowley's stats didn't really show the defense, I agree - Oscar was forced into some average shots that didn't come off.

I can't remember if I posted it before the game, but I was thinking that Gerlach would've been the x-factor in the game if everyone else from Southern performed. 10 more from Pochintesta and a few more from Hodges and Bowley and it would've probably been a different story on the scoreboard.

wait didnt anyone see the womans game before hand, almost an entire quarter for junior rookie Fisher...wait to go you CUB!

oh i totally agree, Miss Fisher played quite impressive with the minutes allocated

Thanks guys sure thing...the minutes were great my peformance from the foul line wasn't

oh well maybe next time!!

i had a ball really great oppurtunity for me as a junior cant ait till next time!

oi who r u people? lol

Congratulations to the Sturt in a top game on saturday night!! I was quite rowdy by the end of the first quater and thought we had it in the Bag, but to sturts credit composed themselves very well.

Well done to big ozzie! THat dunk was huge! Very classy perfomance. Also wilkey did a great job.
I was a little dissapointed by the performance of the tigers, but who can win shooting 30%.

I was thinking of wearing a name tag, because I was interested to find out who the random posters are and was counting on putting some faces to names.

Bags of booze!

j-bags, if you were in the front row of Southern guys, I was two levels up behind you in a black shirt. Pantano in a Yankees hat on one side, and girlfriend (long off-white jacket, red hair) on my right.

The Southern crowd were pretty pumped in that first quarter and I was a bit worried for a while there.

And Oscar's dunk was great (imagine if that one-hander went in too?), but people want more of that. If you're over 6'6", I think that lay-ups should be banned. Or maybe dunks could count for 3 to spur people on a bit. Hah.

Oh hell, if Oscar landed that one hander I would have packed my bag and left!!!! I was shocked just how many southern fans came out. I think there was 2 southern supportes to 1. It was a pity that the boys couldn't get up.
I was the one in the big ski jacket, boozing, on the right hand side.

little bags

You were right about that crowd on saturday at pasadena. I think it may have been more like 3 Southern for every one sturt fan at the game. The crowd had to be intimidating in the first quarter. Great atmosphere at that game.

I was at the game. Great atmosphere, great result. I think you will find that P. Bauer had five ordinary fouls and one Technical. Oscar F. who was the winning difference between the teams had one block that was clearly visible to the stats people. If he had others they were among a forest of arms and I have been told that stats people must not use a guessometer when they do their thing. Pasadena stats people are the toughest in the business and Oscar got a heap of defending rebounds because Southern had a disgraceful shooting percentage. (A guessometer is a way of producing stats with your eyes closed, not terribly accurate).

Gower definitely had a block that was missed.

Here's a question for you -- if a player makes an attempted put-back, it misses and they grab their own rebound and attempt to put it back again, maybe even 4 times in a row, does this count as 4 offensive rebounds and four attempted field goals?

Yes it does.

Just FYI - Sturt have been left in the lurch for statisticians. The people they have doing their games at the moment are all 1st year statasticians. Their stats personnel from the previous few years have jumped ship into other areas of the game, and are generally busy on ABL game nights. So if you dudes are experts, I think you should be getting your butts down courtside and learning the trade.

J- bags, it is always 2 visitor supportors to 1 home supportor at pasadena. Their crowd support is a joke. Good on the Tiger fans anyway tho. I like their rowdyness.

You are right. Four putbacks means four missed shots. Put yourself in the position of player who gets those stats. What would the coach be saying to him about his shooting style? I do not think that players like to see stats like that on their record. The offense rebound is good but the missed shot is not. In some professional teams the players match payments depend on the weighting given to the players stats for that particular game and volunteers record the stats. I can see the day when a player whose payment is reduced might sue the statistician for incorrectly awarding a negative stat to the player. Heaven forbid that this might happen. If it does????

you have to be joking about webber. he is the smallest point guard who is playing in a team that allows him the green light to jack up shots. and woodville had plenty of players in the 20's and the late teens for scoring. So he didn't really do a big job cause still had 25. and no way he should get a letter for 6ers training he is only 4ft tall. you want someone that can guard maher and those type of players at trainings. whoever incognito or libertine you have to know what players will be like in the fututre not now. know basketball before you talk it up

A controlled tip towards the basket is a shot. You can't have a situation where if it doesn't go in, it's not a shot, but if it goes in, it is!!?? You get an offensive rebound and a shot attempt. End of discussion.

Maybe the player should reconsider his match payments and have them linked to offensive rebounds and not shooting %

I don't think it's that unusual for a player to miss four contested put-backs, getting the offensive rebound each time.

I'm not sure that the coach would really care all that much if the player in question finished with the 2 points, and was getting the rebound each time. It's hardly a positive thing for the opposition to watch - four O-boards in a row.

And I've never heard of a player in the ABL or NBL having their payments tied to statistical performance. There are such things as finals bonuses and the like, but I don't think anyone's going to strip you of your salary because you missed a few shots!

I like to think that we are the x-factor at tigers games! Eh, eh!!!!
ANd yes rowdyness is what we do best!

Bags-o-rowdee!

I agree, Isaac. If the player is busting their balls on the boards, keeping shots alive, and after a great effort of 4 consecutive o-boards, comes up with the score - then throw the stats out the window, that's team inspiring stuff, and any coach or team would love to have someone like that play for them.

However, I think at the end of the day, that player deserves some recognition for their work. With so many end-of-season awards these days, robbing a player of well-earned stats (such as blocks or rebounds) could cost that player come season's end. I have heard of games at Pasadena where Oscar has blocked 4 or 5 shots in the game and was credited with 1 on the stats sheet (and from my understanding, they were clear blocks, no-misunderstanding from stats people should have occured). 1st year statistician or not, they shouldn't be missing plays like that.

And I've never heard of a player in the ABL or NBL having their payments tied to statistical performance. <--- In Kubank's days at South I believe players were paid per stat. They had a scale IE assists were $2, rebounds $1...... whatever! I know that points were the lowest paid stat.

Yo Big Johnsen bag it up...Ng scored his points on Bell. If Webber's team is going to give him free reign to shoot, then by all means, let the kid shoot and see if he can handle it....which he very much can.

When an offensive player goes for a rebound by tapping the ball it is assumed that he/she is trying to guide the ball into the basket hence the 'put back' call which the computer interprets as 'offensive rebound' and 'shot attempt' by that player. As for match payments based on statistics, ask Paul Rees that question and see what his answer is.

I think you will find the only stat that ever received payment at South was for Charges Taken. Just a way to encourage the players to move their feet into position and help out their teammates.

From a stats person's point of view, you can't call a block if the ref gives the ball to the defensive team after a shot attempt, even though it is appears obvious that the defender got a hand on the shot.
I would have seen this occur in almost every game in which I've done the stats.

What are you talking about (or on mate). You seem to have some issues and a big chip on ur shoulder big Johnson. Why are you such a hater?? I was just saying maybe they should have given webber a shot.

You're obviously a basketball genius in your little world so I can see your points.

hey lil fishy...hehe 7 minuets... not bad for a 16 year old hehe... in answer to ur question...we are all basketball nerds hoo have noe life and yeh lol its fair funni ey...beautiful pples like us talkin to ball dribbling geeks oh life rolls on.......

But Jirachi, I'm just saying Webber is a much better player then Benson - backed up by numbers and a majority ;)

That last post was me! ;-)

Yea but forstville wre not moved in their position and norwood did not make the finals, so forestville treat the game as a joke and gave it to norwood for comedic reasons!

Yes it is

Yogee, I have been told it is.