Surely we have Australian coaches that can do the job, Lemanis was the best we've had, time for a Gleeson or similar. US get away with non fiba coaches because they are so athletic and deep and adapt on the run, we don’t have that ability or depth.

Is Herbert the most recent coach of Germany who lead them to the WC title? I can't remember their Olympic campaign. I think he would be as good as it gets in terms of an available coach who knows the FIBA game. The temptation would be to go with Snyder purely based off NBA reputation, but I think Herbert is probably the best man for the job (provided he’s the same coach I’m thinking of). I wonder what the motivation is for Snyder? Interesting.

Pretty promising names there but the question for me is if they have the free time to dedicate to the Boomers, which really should be a year-round gig and would need a level of active ongoing scouting.

Great to see a name there that has actually won a FIBA world cup. It pays to remember that Germany, while tough, weren't the most talented team at the cup but they played in a way that got the job done so that bodes well for us if he's our guy. Quin Snyder has great NBA experience as well.

This is a great sign that BA and the Boomers are thinking bigger and better and I am sure Bogut being on the selection committee has something to do with this. For his entire career BA has tried to shortchange the Boomers and he's been integral in the improvement of every level of the program, and looks like he's continuing that. For those unaware of this Matt Logue's The Boomer's book outlines just how much his word held sway and took the team from washing their own uniforms in a sink to some level of professionalism. And now we're scouting like a team that believes they should medal. Great stuff

"Surely we have Australian coaches that can do the job, Lemanis was the best we've had, time for a Gleeson or similar. US get away with non fiba coaches because they are so athletic and deep and adapt on the run, we don't have that ability or depth."

Lemanis was the best we had but I think the days of bringing in some NBL coach and expecting them to take us to the podium are done. We need to be realistic about what the NBL is on the world stage and that we'd be better off getting someone who has had success in FIBA basketball (ie, Herbert) rather than getting someone who wins in our two-bit competition.

I'd much prefer a full time Australian based coach than a big name who's only going to be around for a month or two at most each year. Adding to that the differences in FIBA ball I just don't see it as the best way forward.

I'm not a Trevor fan in general but i would take him in a heartbeat given the chance.

Yes if it's the Gordon Herbert that coached Germany, he’s good, also had top quality team and is coaching Bayern Munich, I can’t see him being available, he had the job in Japan for Chiba jets and left for Bayern and Gleeson took over there. Bayern are in the top 10 clubs in Europe, big time and I believe he signed a three year contract. Is there another Gorden Herbert.

Dunkman, it's definitely the same person, I just hadn’t read the article yet and thought that coach of Germany had a different name. If he’s applied for the job then he is available.

Germany had talent but they were on another level in so many other ways.

Sadly, I don’t think the Australian names in the article are actually in the running, they would just be there to ensure locals are seen to be considered. It’s between Herbert and Snyder. My gut feel is that the link to Synder through Daniels and Ingles would make him more likely.

I don’t really understand why Caporn would be considered?

maybe living and coaching in Australia is more appealing to them ?

I just don't see Bayern releasing him, they have had a good year so far in the euro league and bbl, had lot injuries of late so battling a bit of late. Still 50% seasons to go, maybe he prefers national teams to club jobs. He’s actually Canadian by berth.

But hang on, the idea is you can do both isn't it? Snyder isn’t going to quit his job with Atlanta. I am sure there are some full time national coaches, but it’s mostly a side gig to your main role.

Doesn't necessarily need to be full time, just be available for camps and also to share with an assistant locally to implement his their system. At least Snyder was implementing a lot of euro sets in the NBA which worked, and obviously Herbert has the European experience as well.
Advantage for Snyder is majority of team is in NBA so can catch up regularly, advantage for Herbert is that international experience, reverse is the downside for both applicants.
The new coach will need to think outside the box to succeed, can't rely on Patty too much surely, Giddey is more a distributor than a pure scorer, so need to find out who's going to be that scorer when the team simply needs to put the ball in someone's hand and clear out. Defensively things look very good, just lacking someone that can drop a random 30 piece, unless Patty still has the fountain of youth. Would be looking for Harvey to be a candidate ASAP as that wildcard.
Would be happy with either of those two, need someone fresh and not go down a Caporn etc path. Not sure about Dellys ambitions, but would be good to have him on sidelines as well. He'd be good to have locally with Vickerman and knows the NBA system so would be a good conduit to Snyder.

Goorj got the refs under control early, SEM bigs get fouls call but the other end it play on. In all that SEM missing lay ups.

Euro league side like nba sides don't get fiba breaks.

I assume if they went that direction, it would be for WC and Olympics only with Vickerman leading the team through qualifiers, Asia cups etc.

Agree with the lack of Australian coaches being considered for any job at the moment in our league let alone national team either speaks of our selection or our skill set. Time for aussie coaches to start leaving our shores (they already are)

Quinn had some coaching in Russia/Europe before returning to the USA I do like his style and think he would be a great fit.

He also coaches Dyson Daniels

I don't think hiring Snyder or Herbert is any kind of poor reflection on current Australian coaches, but it certainly is debatable if it is right or necessary.

Interesting that Vickerman would only be considered for an assitant role despite being the best qualified out of the local names mentioned. Again, I think Weaver and Caporn are only being mentioned to ensure it is seen they have considered locals. One of the conondrums in selecting a local is that when basing the appointment off of success, that period might have already passed. For example, if Gleeson was appointed, there is no real recent history to base it off. You don't have this issue as much with a more neutral/specialist international coach.

Got to remember that Herbert is not a German coach, but still lead Germany to gold. Although, I know he has been in that system a while. But, it is still example of having success with a non-national.

I honestly think hiring Herbert gives Austrlia someone proven and experienced, but I sort of still want it to be Snyder...

I think his motivation would be the Olympics being based in the USA, probably making it easier to focus on the main part of the job.

If we grab Trev he'll get Kay & Cotton straight in. Snyder has no finger on the pulse with players down here. i like that he's interested but though Gleeson would be first choice?

You have to qualify for Olympics and WC, I just don't see how a coach that is full time in nba or euro league team have time or get to any qualifiers. Herbert also got stuck into a few of the big name nba Germans in preparation, I’m not certain a few of our players would cop that.

Orbit, I don't think this is a case of simply being interested, it seems like Snyder is well and truly the favourite, and it doesn't sound like Gleeson is even in the running at all. This obviously means that BA are trying to land a big fish, but I am also surprised Gleeson wasn't before Caporn or Weaver. I would guess he either didn't want it, or knew the job was going to Snyder or Herbet, and didn't bother applying or proceeding.

Going by that logic NBA or euro league players won't be going to qualifiers so we'd be sending the usual B team to those as usual. Doubt the coach would even watch a whole game for certain competitions, they'd be there for the main camps and big games. Unless Snyder really wants to see how Nick Kay plays against Guam in person.
How much would the full time position pay as opposed to NBA or euro league, peanuts. Have an assistant look after the meaningless games, and concentrate on the big prize, unless winning gold at the Commonwealth Games is a priority (is it even in after Melbourne pulled out and they cut sports?). Don't think Coach K or Popovic gave up their day jobs. It's not a full time job, at most it's a work from home and occasionally showing up to the office.

Ok then, so which coach is going to put his hand up to do all the grind work just to take the back seat for the big time tournaments.

I'm Really not interested in an American coach, unless they’re like Goorj and Brown who’ve spent quality time here and get us, our culture & our values . Would’ve thought Gleeson has enough experience

Gee, I don't know, maybe Chance who filled the helm recently and was on the boomers staff. And links to Vickerman as well if he's somehow involved. Would be keen to advance his career and make some more contacts in America.
Just proves the Boomers role is not full time especially with the low grade qualifiers that an nbl1 all star team would probably win.

"If we grab Trev he'll get Kay & Cotton straight in. Snyder has no finger on the pulse with players down here. i like that he's interested but though Gleeson would be first choice?"

Is that meant to be a good thing?

"I'm Really not interested in an American coach, unless they're like Goorj and Brown who’ve spent quality time here and get us, our culture & our values . Would’ve thought Gleeson has enough experience"

Gleeson is objectively not as good a coach as these other guys. And as patriotic as we can be, there isnt something so special about Australian culture that coaches from elsewhere cant make it work. This mindset smacks of striving for mediocrity

Is "objectively" becoming the new "literally"?

I think it literally is, but that's just my subjective opinion.

Cotton straight in? How?

I wouldn't put it past BA actually not having any candidates.

It feels like these two have been thrown out there just for the sake of naming somebody.

Why would the coach of Bayern or an NBA team be interested?

"wouldn't put it past BA actually not having any candidates.

It feels like these two have been thrown out there just for the sake of naming somebody.

Why would the coach of Bayern or an NBA team be interested?"

Why wouldnt they? Some people love the idea of Olympic basketball. The money may also be decent. Hard to know. Brett Brown was interested while being an NBA coach, it wouldnt be the first NBA coach to coach a national team that is not 'theirs'. Same goes for FIBA team.

I don' t think they can really just go around naming names without there being something to it. It's not like what the NBL sometimes does and creates an imaginary "what if so and so played here" meme. Articles are suggesting that these coaches have applied and are being interviewed for it. They'd look utterly ridiculous if at the end of saying that they name Adam Caporn as coach.

I would be absolutely shocked if the coach isn't Snyder. He confirmed himself that is he interested, and gave the typical cliche response that comes before an announcement. I don’t know if BA released these names or if journalists got the inside word.

They were just saying on the coverage the shock of Gleeson not making the final 5. As I have said already, I would guess he knew the job was going to Snyder or Herbert, so didn’t bother with formalities. It has nothing to do with him not being a top 5 candidate. Weaver and Caporn are just mentioned to give the impression they’ve considered locals or strongly linked coaches. If Quin Snyder wants the job and has made it this far, you’re not going to suddenly say "Oh wait, we like Adam Caporn more". You have to remember there are reasons for it to be a bit stage managed, and Caporn, Weaver and Vickerman would be a strong chance to be involved either way.

Thanks Master Chief, I didn't realise it had developed so far since nothing was mentioned on here at all until this thread.

Perthworld, no need to thank me, I don't have any inside word or anything. I’m just reading between the lines and that is my interpretation, but I could be completely wrong too!

It is hard to understand the interest. I dare say the money wouldn’t be major enough that it makes the job an attractive financial incentive when you consider what someone like Snyder is already on. I would guess Snyder has taken an interest in Australian basketball through coaching a few Australian players. The Boomers are a top tier team that is open to a non-Australian. Many others go for locals both out of principle and practicality? So there probably aren’t that many coaching positions for a coach who has international ambitions.

Understood however I was thanking you for contextualising the current scenario.

Being reported now that Caporn will be announced as the next coach.

I am open to criticism on this, and I acknowledge it sounds harsh, but I think that is a dreadful decision.

Has Caporn even been a head coach?

He's likely to be cheap, very dedicated to the Boomers cause, and have time to spend on the Boomers, unlike say a Quin Snyder. Giving him the job would help BA feel good about providing a pathway to a local and be great PR. He’s also likely to be respected by the large NBA cohort (which I think was probably the key criteria, counting against guys like Roth or Vickerman.)

Besides, if it’s a case of the Boomers being "Giddey’s team" or whatever, then there’s probably also a degree of faith by BA that the coach isn’t as critical as long as the players are professional.

I’ll give him the benefit of doubt but ... on first impressions, it would be a poor decision.

This makes more sense than the two names in the title, but at the same time hardly inspiring.