You'd think given several seasons of next to no rebounding pressure and lack of interior defence Rillie would have the inisght to assign one or several players to watch tape of Windler vs the Kings and say - "all of you, do that - all game please".

How many years have we been hearing "rebounding is moreso about desire rather than ability" then watched as this was completely ignored in game. If we see a pathetic rebounding and defensive effort today some responsibility has to be assigned to lazy players with a lack of desire to fix things. Cast your mind back to Cotton at 6ft leading the team in rebounds multiple times...

Could see this going either way, but the home crowd will get the JJs up. Tassie by 8

JJs will be pumped, they're 1-2 after Taran Armstrong schooled them in the last few minutes on Friday

Both teams will want to respond but with Perth's outs I'm tipping JJs here

JJs easy.

I'm hoping the Wildcats will respond...I’m worried whether they have the game plan to do so

Wow... Rillie swings the axe!

Pepper and Todd Withers starting, Henshall and Harris go out.

I like those changes, but still tipping JJ's

I like those changes too. Henshall was really fumbly last game, scored well but seemed unsure with the ball a lot. Can't be like that while trying to prove you deserve more court time. Obviously just a confidence thing hope he sorts it.

Great to see the line up being changed up...hopefully sets a fire under those relegated to the bench

Pinder looking more switched on...good to see

9 points...

Can someone tell Hooley Dooley that he's there to call the game not think he's interviewing for a coaching position.

After the JJs put up 9 points in the first, Perth are yet to score over 4 minutes into the second.

This is a shambles. Both teams hustling but taking terrible options.

Yep Hooley Dooley is liking the sound of his voice to much. I'm liking the game, straight up D physically should be rewarded not stopped by whistle happy refs. The court side girls have been great in all games.

Withers is such a solid guy...brings a lot as an injury replacement

This grind perfectly suits the JJs.

Withers looking solid

Cats showing some toughness, they needed to, except Cotton who does get belted a lot. Tough enjoyable game though to much talk from commentary.

Happy for Withers he looks much more active than he did with us at the Sixers. He was so frustraing had the skills just no desire or hunger whatsoever. Hopefully he keeps using this opportunity as a glorified audition for other NBL teams next season.

Cotton getting assaulted out there!!

That's just bloody dumb from Magnay, should be a usf. Refs no control, as usual

A little perplexed by this tall of Almanza's touch around the basket. He has been awful on his little floaters so far this season.

Shooter decked, no call made up reach in called...

Out if all the contact denying the lob was a foul....?

JJs not showing a lot but just never go away, it's in their dna. Henshal doesn’t look the answer either. Almansa looks good but got to make those buckets.

All game nothing called at the rim, now we are calling them....

So cotton can get manhandled, then they make up an offensive foul of ball....

Every foul on Perth is met with disbelief

All one way whistle in the last quarter...

Dat JJs grind.

Anon a Cats fan?

So Pinder can get dragged to the ground throw the ball away, but a call at the other end... ref's absolutely bring it home for tassie

We suck.

It is very, very hard to kill a JackJumper

You've got Bryce, you’ll still win

Cats need someone to step up now

No, Perthworld, we're playing wonderful smart, tough, composed basketball at both ends but it's those darned refs that are screwing us every time!!!!!!

Case and point the and 1 to Doyle. Like I said, the ref's kept it even the whole way, until the last 6 or 7 fouls to one... please

tHeY tOoK oUr CaLlS!1111

What a capitulation.

$40mil for a franchise with no heart.

If that's an and 1 how was there no foul at the other end. Pathetic this is not called out, 8 to 1 foul call in the 4th in a game they have let everything go. Commentary can't see the only reason for the win going to tas

Pepper just did an Anon there.

Geez another embarrassing effort from the Cats apart from the first. Hold a team to a 9 pt QTR and still losing. 3 poor shooting games in a row.

Aylen just affirming it's all one way tas, blatant foul, he calls out of bounds instead then gives a t on pepper... that's pathetic

Ridiculously fast pace being played right now yet Cats still can't buy a basket. So much for being high octane.

This is a disgrace, absolute disgrace. Refs no control, ruining the game.

Stop your whining

Wow, fluke bailout?

and another one.

This isn't exactly smart basketball but it's working.

Fouls 18-17

Wildcats FT 13/21
JJ 10/12

Big last 5 seconds

Even live it clearly was off Pinder.

These reviews are excruciatingly long for no reason.

LOL WTF?

lol...nowhere near Pinder

Came off Doyle leg, PW.

I'll take it but not convinced.

(just like this win)

O'DOYLE RULES.

Wowowowowow

Game deserved that

That was cold

We don't deserve this anyway.

OT!

Why put Cotton on the floor when we need defense and length!!????

That's on you perthworld.....

Interesting game

Good question KW

Milton Doyle, no other words needed

Whoever is strategically reporting posts that are harmless, in order to break the context of the discussion to help their argument, needs to be banned ASAP.

Should have fouled him as soon as he got the ball, put him to the stripe. Why was Cotton on him, get some length there.

Yes Dunkman my thoughts exactly. Not very high IQ by the cats to close out that last play

I don't know how we got out of that fourth quarter.

So Clint inbound violation no call... obvious missed back court. Real tough calls that have favoured the home team

Magnay does some really stupid things.

Magnay dominating now after that stupid lob.

Surely that's it now.

Nine lives used up.

The way this game has been reffed is atrocious

A lot of craziness can happen in 20 seconds, but yeah, surely we're dead now

Magnay runs straight into the back of cotton, forces and errant pass... it's a foul every day of the week, defence can not run into the back of a shooter. No call, advantage tas

;)

Withers open gets decked, then 5 sexond violation... wow

Now Bryce fouls Doyle. Bit late for that buddy

A lot of craziness can happen in 20 seconds, but yeah, surely we're dead now

What a pathetic way to end the game.... absolute disgrace. This league is a joke. Either call it for the home team or don't. Seems all this league rewards is big, long rough teams. May as well just recruit huge athletes, foul 80 times and hope you only get called for 20

#Rillieout
How can you not come up with any decent plays for Cotton in a whole weekend?

How can you hold a team to 9 pts in a qtr and still lose!? Pathetic on the offense again from the Cats. Not having Windler has nothing to do with this.

Extending Rillie......

Will be interesting to see if the NBL comments on the Steindl inbound. Incompetent refs cost Perth the game.

Hate playing against the jackies they turn into dirty ball and the refs get sucked right in

I'm sure he won’t, but I would love Rillie to call it out in the presser

Crazy finish! I'm still not sure Tas deserved the W, but they both probably deserved a L with the quality of shooting.

Again I'll ask what did Rillie do in the offseason to improve? Oh wait, he was awarded a contract extension so the messaging from the top brass means it's all good. From the organisational culture under Bendat to this, what a mess.

Horrific fourth quarter.

Home cooking got JJs across the line. To be fair to the refs it's been a very physical game, JJs like a good scrap when things are not quite flowing, you can’t call everything so normally the home side benefits. Doyle and Doolittle were magnificent for their teams. Cats who I thought were a big chance are in trouble, Cotton just getting older still very good but not deadly. JJs certainly missing McVeigh.

My top six is an absolute shambles.

Looking forward to LV's Power Rankings this week after the Round 3 results.

Correct result in the end. Congrats Tassie.

We could have taken that one, but again with the inability to sustain our focus for long enough stretches. Golden road win opportunity missed.
Thankful for the improved effort level at least. Tiny consolation based on an extremely low bar.
Thankful for not being a one-eyed clown as well.

How can you not come up with any decent plays for Cotton in a whole weekend?

Much better effort from perth on the boards and defensive intensity. That's the standard they need to attain each game. Pinder especially. Add a couple of their starters and that will help with their offense.

Still they should have won that game today. Bryce was cold from outside and some turnovers from the young kids allowed the jackies to get back into it. Shoot better from the stripe and it would have been a different result.

Overall much better signs and a good response after the united game.

Anon you can't be serious Perth literally got every call for the first three quarters your going to complain because a few went the other way in the last quarter

Considering Clint was allowed to run up the sideline I'm not sure you can complain for a second. Ref's let way too much go for the first 3/4 both ways. The went onna run of like 8 to 2 to start the 4th, and it impacted the score, aside from Tas been uber cold the ref's were consistently shit and no team could break away. Then the 4th happened. Then the end if the 4th happened.

Agree Baller

The Refs were their usual self, reffed the game reasonably well until it got tight, then did what they usually do. reffed the game
for who pays their cheque.Could not let Tassie lose 2 in a row (IMO)( I know like A**oles, every one has one.

The Refs were their usual self, reffed the game reasonably well until it got tight, then did what they usually do. reffed the game
for who pays their cheque.Could not let Tassie lose 2 in a row (IMO)( I know like A**oles, every one has one.

Cotton is becoming more a liability, I was saying couple of seasons ago it would be good to move on from the Cotton era to make a more resilient team. Today some of his hero ball would of seen him getting benched if he wasn't cotton. (going into the paint swarmed by 2-3 players and losing the ball) He is not even in the top 5 of guards currently in the NBL.

Cats do not seem to have a clue on how to build a team and their coach is being outcoached pretty much every game. They desperately need a lob center , genuine blocks and inside presence. Their too small and stacked with too many similar players.

Cats do not seem to have a clue on how to build a team and their coach is being outcoached pretty much every game. In the overtime you hade the shooters all standing outside the 3 point line, not a single cut or meaningful action to get a good percentage shot.

Genuine chance of missing finals with this mob.

Age might be catching up with Bryce he's not going to be the assassin every game like he used to be. But teams have worked out how to best nullify him and he's pretty much getting molested every time he touches the ball. JR has really failed in this area to get him some good looks and the offense looks rudderless most of the time. When fatigue sets in at the end of games and defense is tough that's where well drilled offensive sets help instead of reverting to iso plays. Its no surprise Doyle always gets the ball when they need the big bucket. Rille could learn a thing or two watching how scott roth goes about it

Not sure i agree with you about cotton Ballman he's still capable of being the best player in the league. But as i said earlier he has no room to move and if the refs allow the physicality he doesn't get much help from his team mates. Blame needs to lie with Rille and after two seasons at the helm he still hasn't figured it out.

You're right about roster construction though. It doesn't seem well balanced when your starting center is the most inconsistent and injury prone player in the league and their title fortunes hinge so much on him performing. No decent backup center apart from the young Almansa. And no genuine PG and no back up PG in case of injury is another head scratcher for me.

Yeah, pretty much any player can become a liability if you're negligent when it comes to playing them to their strengths.

Not the refereeing crews finest moments down the stretch, but that ended up being a far more entertaining game than the first 3 quarters indicated. Tasmania's offense is a mess outside of individual brilliance from Doyle, and Perth really missing Windler on both ends.

Some promising signs from Sword too I thought.

Just home from the game, interesting reading on here re the refs and dunky calling it home cooking.....Ha!!! None of these observations in the first half!


Game of two halves either team could have won it and the JJs should have had it in regulation.

JJs have not figured out their rotations yet, Sword is athletic and still finding his groove but has upside.

Fun game to be at.

Magnay played tonight with flu, what a beast

MacDonald out on the Court tonight during warm up in laced up dress shoes moving freely and looking good. They will be a lot better across the board when he gets back. Amongst other things they really miss his 10ppg. Hopefully he is back a bit sooner than scheduled. Deng really stepping up now which is most welcome. Overall, JJs still probably a fair way off their best but holding the fort for now.

Letting Stiendl run up the sideline and the tackle on Withers was incompetent, home cooking might be a bit harsh but overall the refs ok, been much better all season. The idea from the coaches or team players to give Doyle the last shot was stupidity. He should have been fouled as soon as he got the ball. JJs in the end just know how to get the result, united are still feeling it from last season GF series.

Obviously age catches everyone, but JR seems to have a bit to do with the inconsistency with Cotton. Gleeson quite rightly structured the offence around him in his reign, now it's not as geared towards him. From memory last year he really struggled at the start for a few games, JR just really wants to put own stamp on things. But without Cotton firing they've got no chance in hell.

Not many on here whinging about the foul count in the first half. Was discussed at the game with a consensus of the need to play through it.

I can understand an emotional response after a close loss with knee jerk calls of home cooking but highlighting one or two calls comes across as defensive!

To be fair if it was the JJs on the end of the close loss after controlling the game for over 3 quarters I would be looking for answers.

The JJs are spluttering in offence do not have flow at the moment, hopefully that changes. Roth seems to be searching for the mix on court, will be interesting to see how it progresses.

Not many on here whinging about the foul count in the first half. Was discussed at the game with a consensus of the need to play through it.

I can understand an emotional response after a close loss with knee jerk calls of home cooking but highlighting one or two calls comes across as defensive!

To be fair if it was the JJs on the end of the close loss after controlling the game for over 3 quarters I would be looking for answers.

The JJs are spluttering in offence do not have flow at the moment, hopefully that changes. Roth seems to be searching for the mix on court, will be interesting to see how it progresses.

To be fair if it was the JJs on the end of the close loss after controlling the game for over 3 quarters I would be looking for answers.

It was a 16-2 run to begin the fourth quarter - almost on par with Adelaide allowing Cairns to outscore them 17-2 last round.

Re Cotton, I've heard it all before, last season he shot 29% from the field over their first 7 games

He'll work it out and Perth will be fine. Offense starts with the PG and missing Webster (although he's no star) and Windler who's a good 3 point shooter and spaces the floor, makes a big difference. Scoring a big total will be incredibly difficult down in Tasmania this year.

Sucks to lose but agree LV they are just working it out. If at a base level Pinder & Doolittle are diving for boards like they did yesterday and Windler like he did a couple of weeks back then we will be fine give it time.

I think sometimes people underestimate the impact of injuries or absences

Take out the starting PG and the 3rd or 4th leading scorer on any team in the NBL, and they'll struggle for wins. Perth has played United and JJ's- potentially the best two defensive teams in the NBL. Surprise surprise, they couldn't put a score on the board. Yes, of course, Webster is one of the weaker starting PGs but still. Windler scored 14 last week against Perth and he's a confident shooter.

A fortnight ago Cairns were thrashed by 30 and headed for the bottom 2. Then they get Adnam back last week, then Armstrong this week, and suddenly they look like a top 4 team.

When Kenyon comes back SEM will look a little better. They might not look great, but he'll make a difference.

Against Sydney*

Although it depends on the player and the specific circumstances

United didnt miss Delly because Ili and Clark played their best games of the season. Plus they have CG, Cameron, Krebs- United is very very deep at guard. If Jack White got injured, or Marcus Lee, they would be in more trouble than Delly being out.

I think also, early in seasons we're all prone to overreactions as we're dealing with small sample sizes. Every game changes our perceptions of each team. Perth will be alright and I still think they're headed for top 4, but by the same token they can't afford to fall too far behind the pack. So Thursday in Cairns is HUGE for them.

If Rillie had Lebron and Curry he would still struggle to find a win when it counts. He just gets routinely out-coached but Roth , Vickerman and others. Post press conference he can never really communicate what went wrong during the game and "ill have to watch the film". A good coach watches the game and makes changes.

Sheer player brilliance can only go so far, its why Gleeson won so many championships with teams that were quite low on talent in comparison (always being predicted to miss the finals). He knew how to take a handful of stars and a bunch of roleplayers and win games.

Speaking of Gleeson its fun to watch him on the sidelines in the B-League, seated, politely gesturing to the refs when he disagrees with a call. Adhering to Japanese humility is written into his contract!

Yes I enjoyed Gleeson in his suit and pleasant manner on the side lines as well. His side improved in their second game as well. His after game speech was also very honourable and thanking the fans.

You're allowed to move when inbounding. This isn't the NBA.

PerthWorld - yep you are right re anon and context.

cheers.

Only on the baseline. Not sideline?

Nbl say on sideline a metre, first I've heard of it. To me you only have been allowed to run along the baseline. They blew it by not fouling anyway as Rucker pointed out, why take the chance when leading by three.

Why would the baseline be any different to the sideline?

first I've heard of it

Gleeson's outrage was always confected. He used to carry on like a two bob watch at home games in Perth but wasn't anywhere near as animated at road games. He knew exactly what he was doing.

I always understood that you could move anywhere on the lines provided you didn't gain an advantage (in terms of getting closer to the other team’s basket). In other words, anywhere along the baseline, and backwards from the sideline, but not up the sideline towards the other team’s basket.

I always understood that you could move anywhere on the lines provided you didn't gain an advantage (in terms of getting closer to the other team’s basket). In other words, anywhere along the baseline, and backwards from the sideline, but not up the sideline towards the other team’s basket.

That has no basis in any rule that has ever existed.

That's how it was explained to me by a ref many years ago. Happy to go with something more definitive, KR

You can run the baseline after a score because there's no set inbound point. Any other time, the 1m rule applies.

You can only travel along the baseline on a made basket. All other times on dead ball inbounds, travel is not allowed. Though the refs these day find it hard to call travel when the ball is in play so no surprises they missed it.
Re 3 seconds, the interpretation if the player is not directly involved with the play then they won't be called for 3 seconds. Unfortunately this is a judgment call, which can add to confusion.

You can only travel along the baseline on a made basket. All other times on dead ball inbounds, travel is not allowed.

Article 17.3.1 bullet point 6

You're wrong sorry koberulz. You need to read the rulz! :)

I'm not wrong.

Uh oh.

and here we go (Joker voice).

FIBA rulebook

Move from the designated throw-in place behind the boundary line laterally in
one or both directions, exceeding a total distance of 1 m before releasing the ball.
However, the player is permitted to move directly backwards from the boundary
line as far as circumstances allow.

Course not koberulz. You just don't know what the rule is!

I know exactly what the rule is.

What is it then? Enlighten us all sensei

The first inbound Steindl does not cover 1 meter in total distance but on the second inbound play @ 4.2 remaining he covers the distance of the Bunnings logo and that is clearly longer than 1 meter.

It is a grey area, maybe someone could query [email protected]

Not sure how a ref is supposed to be able to make a judgement on 1m in a situation like that.

I also bet a lot of players probably aren't aware of that rule - Steindl was which is a credit to him even if he almost certainly exceeded 1m.

What is it then? Enlighten us all sensei

Unless Aylen has miraculously become 30 years younger, dropped 30 kilos and grown 4 inches that isn't him controlling the inbound.