they cut 2 of the 3 biggest scorers at ajcs and added players who did not perform from the Coe...

it really is farcical

Robinson really stiff.

Only consolation is that these teams are more hubris than anything.

Let's see where they all end up.

NZ U17 WC Teams

BOYS
Jackson Ball
Basketball Hawkes Bay / Hawke's Bay Hawks

Ihaka Cate
Canterbury Basketball Association / Canterbury Rams

Lachlan Crate
Basketball Manawatu / Manawatu Jets

Gus Dallow
Harbour Basketball Association / Auckland Tuatara

Oscar Goodman
Basketball Taranaki / NBA Global Academy

Hayden Jones
Nelson Basketball Association / Nelson Giants

Jackson Kiss
Basketball Auckland / Auckland Tuatara

Mana Martin
Canterbury Basketball Association / Canterbury Rams

James Matthews
Nelson Basketball Association / Nelson Giants

Troy Plumtree
Wellington Basketball Association / Wellington Saints

Jameer Reed
Harbour Basketball Association / Auckland Tuatara

Hunter Te Ratana
Waitakere West Auckland Basketball / Auckland Tuatara



GIRLS
Chanel Enriquez-Paea, Gold Coast Rollers (NBL1)

Bailey Flavell, Harbour Basketball Association

Olivia Hastings, Norths Bears (NBL1)

Sophia Hickey, DME Academy

Keriana-Marie Hippolite, Brisbane Capitals (NBL1)

Pahlyss Hokianga, Basketball Hawkes Bay

Jennifer Mailei, Bankstown Bruins (NBL1)

Taia McMechan, Nunawading Spectres (NBL1)

Graecyn Parahi, Basketball Hawkes Bay

Cassidy Thomson, Manly Warringah Sea Eagles (AUS)

Kodee Williams-Sefo, Harbour Basketball Association

Gia Vukona, Southern District Spartans (NBL1)

Sophia Hickey was at Nunawading too. Those Kiwi girls are loaded with Aussie-developed talent - 8 players!

Like on the other thread, I said it was bec9 ing an issue. Nz, South Sudan, Samoa promise a lot prior to ajc or n.t camp selection.

Starts in 2 days, link to Fiba page.

https://www.fiba.basketball/en/events/fiba-u17-basketball-world-cup-2024


Group stage vs
Egypt
Germany
Canada

1 team change

James Dyson Merwe is out of the team

replacement is Robinson

shame they didn't pick Vaughns he would have been a better replacement positional and is starting to look very good in NBL1..

Fiba power rankings has us at #6. Quite high, could be a tournament where we finish outside the 8.

Rankings
#1 USA
#2 France
#3 Spain
#4 Italy
#5 Lithuania
#6 Australia
#7 Canada
#8 Argentina
#9 Germany
#10 Turkey
#12 Puerto Rico
#12 Guinea
#13 NZ
#14 China
#15 Egypt
#16 Phillipines

how did the boys go in the recent 4 team tournament

They were terrible...

did they play, turkey egypt and NZ. What were the results.
going to be interesting how this group go against the Europeans.

The Fiba power rankings are always very euro centric.

Its really a couple of tiers

1 USA - the best talent by far, can they play together?

2 France, Spain, Australia, Canada - Australia deepest squad since 2014 finalist team

3 Italy, Lithuania

and the rest

Argentina
Germany
Turkey
Puerto Rico
Guinea
NZ
China
Egypt
Phillipines

as always our problem will be lack of highly competitive games in our development program

As for the results of the tourament before the world cup started, they flew half way around the world, played the next day, and the follow 2 days.. not conducive to good results. Canada will be the game that matters we have lost to them at u17 the last 5 times!


heres some pre world cup watching from 2 days ago
U17M: ESPAÑA- CANADÁ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPN8fS0bGzY

We got some work to do, almost lost it in the last 1/4.

Aus 85 - Egypt 82

There were some promising signs, but turnovers were very costly. Nerves looked to play a role early before they got going in the 2nd term. That final quarter was hard to watch!

Germany tonight.

Nz beat Turkey. Playing some poised basketball.

The amount and manner of turnovers from this group is insane.

Much better late as we pull away.
Egypt edging Canada atm.

Dam... China beat France.

Well done to nz, 2-0.
Australia must beat Canada to avoid the u.s

Much better performance against Germany. Intensity was raised and there was much greater effort on the boards. Rotations were tweaked, which helped too.

Really liking Kuany's constant effort and intensity, and it was good to see Nyuon be aggressive and more effective in the second game after struggling a bit in the first. Beauchamp was clutch as usual.

Great all round performance from the crocs against Canada (Daniels and Nyuon excellent), finished top of group and avoided usa. Italy next up...

Nz also finishing top of group C, they will play Egypt.

Played really well together, a run and gun exciting team. Still a few too many dumb turnovers that kill thier momentum at crucial times but a fun team to watch though.

Italy beat NZ in the last game but maybe because it was a dead rubber

Egypt look a tough draw for NZ after topping the group. They had some narrow losses

Puerto Rico knockout France in the rd of 16.
Surprising given France has the largest talent pool outside of the u.s.

some of the worst late game coaching I have ever seen. moronic

should never coach an Australian team again, is it so difficult to find a coach who can actually coach a game.

#7 Kuany was an absolute liability. Cost Australia the game, should never have been on the court. Time and time again.

even playing 11 players in a must win game is just crazy.

on top of not calling a time out (or at least a sub), after the Italian 3 to advance the ball away from trouble or allow a moment to get the team better organised.

subbing in a 20% 3pt shooter who hadnt played much, and was leading the team in turnovers, on to jack up a 3 was another wtf moment.

the great coaches wouldnt have put #7 back in after he had failed and failed, they wouldnt have an 11 player rotation, and been in control of the game.

what a disgrace.

Dam, that last 1/4 was horrid.
Credit to Italy fighting back, another failed u17 WC for the crocs.

NCB is development coach, not in-game coach. Doesn't do any live game coaching at all and is given this role?

Maybe coach a Victorian 'rep' team in NBL1 (like COE) while still being High Performance Coach to get that skill. Hard to have exposure in high pressure situations if you don't do it regularly

NCB was the Sandringham NBL1 HC before becoming the VC HPC.

Sorry genuinely don't want to rub it in but awesome win for the NZ boys. Took it to the Egyptians from the outset with some smothering D

Some great talent and depth in this roster.

As long as they don't get ahead of themselves they can make the semi vs usa and possibly clinch 3rd

^^ that's a while ago now though isn't it?

DeepWombat - how long ago was that? 4 years? My point was that you should have regular in-game coaching experience to coach tournament play.

I think he's an excellent communicator and development coach, but he should be given opportunity to coach games - and do it similar to COE in NBL1

It's crazy that we have coaches coaching these national junior teams who don't actually coach during the year. Do the coaches have to come from the State junior pathways? It seems like they do. Would NBL/WNBL AC's not be interested or not be available maybe?

I dont think either assistant really has that much actual coaching experience, at least one got a free ride via his dad's previous roles. The player development roles are all about making everyone feel good about themselves.

Daniels was terrible at inbounding the ball in all situations, or maybe he was excellent at inbounding it after 4.5secs but before 5 secs. The baseline plays in particular offered absolutely nothing. There must have been someone better and more decisive at it, and having a quick mover like Daniels available to receive a pass.

Italy got back into the game with physicality and acting. The big italian centre landed two clean shots on Cotton. They should have been reviewed, or the coach should have gone off his chops at the refs about it. Nothing was said.

The subbing rotations in general, and then specifically in that last quarter were mindblowing poor.

The game coaching - Italian time out - for Aust - defensive rules - ok get a stop - they are likely to look for a 3 - if they score - what is going to happen??? what are we going to do, who is going to inbounds. - What happened they scored a 3 and complete chaos. The game was lost in that time out - the 5ft tall Italian coach set up a play for a shooter and then told his guys they needed to be aggressive on defence, get the ball back. The aussies had the wrong team on the floor, the didnt plan or they werent drilled and the coach didnt bail them out with a sub/to.

#7 lost them the game plan and simple, he is a high risk reward guy - block a shot - pass it out of bounds - block a shot - get lost on next defensive possession and give up 2 - but it was the coach who kept putting him back in.

Dash game away a terrible inbound pass to the italians - probably should have got an assist for it.

Even in OT, last minute they just needed a stop, and a guy goes for a gamble to try and steal the ball lead directly to a layup and game over. Not sure the player knew the time and situation and didnt seem like there was any direction to not foul/go for steal.

You don't have to be in regular coaching form to coach out a game like that, you need to have the ability to make the decisions immediately - that might be experience or it might just be natural ability. Standing out on court away from assistants also makes it difficult for the asst to suggest something.

Generally I thought the effort and energy, the body language, the presentation and defence of the team was good. I was thinking this team could make it through to the final.

A few of the players were very soft with the ball, and i partly blame Australian refs for calling the game so differently to FIBA/Euro games.

But in the end it was purely a coaching failure. Clearly he failed in the moment. Probably a great guy and great in his role at home.

You also have to prepare to be tough and only play 9-10 guys or less. Thus far this year I have seen Vic Metro lose games because they were trying to give everyone a run, not hurt anyone's feelings or expectations. The increase from 10 to 12 players on a team is a tough adjustment for some.

Hooping Vic Metro have to play the roster otherwise it looks odd that some still get selected without playing many minutes.

There in some that are just enjoying a ride in that team and selections have been curious for this group's journey since Under 16's. Some are "big names".

Coaches the same, is it who you know??

So much talent across Australia in that age group...missed opportunity, but when the pressure was on it went missing..

NZ boys beat Lithuania to make the semi vs usa. Huge achievement but gonna be a big ask up next!

Strangely 3 out of 4 semifinalists are from their pool including Italy, who pushed aussie out

Another loss, smacked by France. 96-71.
Finishing in the bottom 4, not a good look. PL moving jobs might help the program?

Semis
Nz vs USA
Turkey vs Italy

Should be USA easy but we all hope for a nz miracle.

I'll be very happy if NZ gets the bronze

Cotton with the early ankle injury certainly didnt help. Bottom 4 is a disaster though, there was a real pathway to a medal which you dont always get.

Just watched the team get thumped by Guinea. How many people even know exactly where that is without looking it up.

No Cotton. No shooters, no rebounders.

The coach even let #7 pass the ball in late in the game. He passed it to the Guniea team twice, he was the guy who gave the ball away and cost them the round of 16 game. A coach with at least something between the ears would say you are never to pass the ball in again. #7 be lucky to guard a statue in man or even zone he breaks down and creates easy looks for the opposition. When subbed out he wouldnt even give a high 5 to his team mates. Crazy selections. Surprised that the covid lockdown kids in Victoria are the ones who come through to make the national team.

Playing off for 15th / 16th now. Last or 2nd last. NZ playing in the semi final.

Nothing will happen, no accountabilty in Aus basketball . NCB, Arnott and Cann will probably get the job again.

Zero accountability and of course the same guys will get more opportunities.
That team has some legitimate talent. Something has gone really wrong here, but we will never hear about it.
As for NBL and WNBL assistants doing these gigs, what a great idea. Surely Basketball Australia has thought to engage those people in this way.

'Italy got back into the game with physicality and acting'

Aussie sports and blaming losing on the opposition cheating (especially Italy). Name me a more iconic duo.

Perhaps only Oz bball and deplorable EOG play.

Here we go with all the keyboard warriors.. this is good for Aus. Maybe we can come back down to earth with our superiority complex. Let's be real.. the revolving doors of coaches, thinking we can have a couple of camps and go win worlds.. those days are over.

People come on here bad mouthing coaches and player selection .. you couldn't even sniff these coaches socks .the racial overtones and neanderthal way of thinking about other smaller countries as if they play on dirt courts and can't afford basketballs ..hello that's not what basketball is in the world anymore . Just look at the NBA draft..

How about we stop attacking people and start talking about the basketball. What tactics did they need to deploy. What worked what didn't.

GUI. Looked stronger, faster and more athletic. We can no longer think we can press our way to victory. These athletes and coaches need more resources to prepare these teams for world competition if we really want to win. Otherwise it is what it is, they are just a development tool for our best selected players. So then is the real test of our success in these worlds depend on the future of these athletes? If they win a gold for Aus in 12 to 16 years will we look back on this experience as a positive?

Dam, nz couldn't get done. Lost to Turkey for the bronze.
USA win again, too good for Italy in the final.

Aus finish 15th of 16. Ofcourse questions should be asked...
A loss in OT to the silver medal winners, the problem is the effort they put in after that loss.

thats a terribel result. has an aus team ever finished so low in this comp before?

The prophecy of Weedy Slug, again! This from Weedy last month, not sure he was expecting so low though?

Fiba power rankings has us at #6. Quite high, could be a tournament where we finish outside the 8.

Rankings
#1 USA
#2 France
#3 Spain
#4 Italy
#5 Lithuania
#6 Australia
#7 Canada
#8 Argentina
#9 Germany
#10 Turkey
#12 Puerto Rico
#12 Guinea
#13 NZ
#14 China
#15 Egypt
#16 Phillipines

Previous lowest finish at this event was 7 in 2016.

My understanding is that this is the lowest result for Australia in a major event, across any level.

Tbf we were very close to making top 8 but I was not happy with what happened after the loss.
Credit to nz, top 4 is a great achievement for them, I think nz women may also surprise by finishing in the top 8.

You don't often see this....

https://www.australia.basketball/news/4055814/progression-the-priority-for-cooper-brown-and-the-u17-crocs

I'm still enjoying juices ironic post slamming 'keyboard warriors' them giving everyone a tutorial on what they should be dying and thinking. Beautiful stuff. Made my week!!