I'd love to see what 'Party' Mills is like! :)

lol, well spotted

Brock Motum having a 20ppg season in Japan, Shooting the 3 ball at a high clip 43.2%. Not even a consideration?

Yeah Brock was one of the unlucky ones for sure

Brock has been the unlucky one time after time when it comes to the Boomers.

No Creek, didn't he say he wanted back in. Travers would have to consider himself very unlucky.

Its super tough to make the boomers 12

I personally think you start with the 10 NBA guys plus Cooks who is the best Aussie in the NBL the last few years and had a taste of NBA

Then you have 1 spot for Furphy, Kay, Magnay, etc

That gives you

Landale/Reath
Cooks/White
Green/Thybulle/Ingles
Exum/Mills
Giddey/Daniels

Plus 1 other

I'd personally go Furphy or Magnay for the last spot depending on if you want the big or the shooter.

I think most of those names are likely correct Jonno. I think Magnay is needed for some matchups as Landale and Reath don't offer a lot of rebounding/ rim protection.

I think McVeigh might compete with White, Kay and Cooks to get the backup 4, because his shooting would be invaluable on this team.

If Daniels isn’t back to 100% its possible Delly could get one last crack. He provides that heart and leadership and showed he could still be quite effective in the grand final series.

Way too early for Furphy and Zikarsky but good to see them in camp.
No Siulepa?

Was anyone genuinely surprised Simmons wasn't picked? Did I miss it or was there an announcement he was injured and/or wasn't in consideration?

I think Simmons is rehabbing his back again. No surprise to me he is not in.

Magnay would have to be a certainty.

Travers and Motum suffer by having too many others ahead of them in the 3-4 position. Not that all of the NBA players are walk-ins (or should be), such as Ingles and Daniels.

Personally Im glad they are not wasting time on Simmons, I think its just the great what could have been story.... and we will never actually see it.

I like your thinking Beantown, I was torn between a look to the future with Furphy as a likely NBA first round pick or the 5th big which I wanted last time.

So say we go the 5th big, its likely Magnay or Kay, Like you I would personally go Magnay for his skill set.

Daniels is back playing so I doubt picking him will be an issue, but yes if hes out id look to Delly

Dont mind the suggestion of McVeigh over potentially White for his extra shooting, but White is probably better at everything else, I dont mind either way.

I cant see a world where Cooks isnt picked and is the best player outside the NBA.

So say we go the 5th big we end up with

Landale/Reath/Magnay
Cooks/White or McVeigh (I'd potentially start Reath next to Landale)
Green/Thybulle/Ingles
Exum/Mills
Giddey/Daniels

I like that team better than last tournament, still thinking we come 6th to 10th overall

16
Exum / Giddey / Dellevedova
Mills / Daniels / Goulding / Vasiljevic
Green / Ingles / Mcveigh
Cooks / Thybulle / White
Landale / Reath / Magnay


Easy cuts early on imo
Mcdowell-White
Furphy
Kay
Pinder
Froling
Zikarsky


16 > 12 will be very difficult.

Travers should have been given the opportunity, he's had a great year and while McVeigh clearly had a great GF and got the mvp Travers beat him on the plus minus stat, and struggled to score on Travers. Sometimes putting team ahead of your own self doesn’t do you any favours. In all that both travers and McVeigh will be to small for the four spot in international basketball. The US will monster the Olympics with Lebron and company back playing.

Motum is currently playing the C in Japan because his feet are very slow. He's had great performances on offense, but he doesn't play defense. You can't use him at the Olympic level.

Also surprised by the lack of Travers, even with a crowded rotation in his position with the old guard still around. In the long-run signing with United will probably end up being the best move he made for his career, but in the short-term playing in a system where he got to showcase himself more might have improved his chances at making this squad.

Magnay is a lock.

Is there any logic to having Froling there? Or is that just Goorjian picking one of his guys?

do we know Travers and Motum got left out, maybe they declined the invitation?

All the noise out of the camp is that we're going to continue with the same BS style from the World Cup. Trying to outgun Canada and the US with less talent, and they aren’t even the best teams getting around. Preparing for an ignominious group round exit. Hope to be proven wrong.

Motom is playing b2 league in Japan, it's probably slightly better than nbl1 south. Magnay is must. I don’t understand the Froling pick either, not because he had a bad season, he was very serviceable but he’s not going to be long term imo, just not big enough on world stage.

I'm not convinced on Froling either but I will say that he has had a whole other energy about him under Tatum. Much more aggressive and less prone to vanish for large stretches. He might surprise people if he can carry that into camp.

I nearly be taking Zirkarsky over Magnay, Will always lets you down when you need him.

Also I been watching Furphy in the NCAA and he faded badly in his last few weeks like he was carrying an injury.

Didn't let the JJs down in the play-in vs Illawarra when Lee went down

Furphy over Jaylin Galloway is a bit of a surprise to me too (perhaps both could be taken, granted). JG is a bit more advanced at this stage, no? Let alone someone like Travers. And I'm not entirely confident that Furphy is a can’t miss prospect that simply must be included.

Magnay is one tough ombré, boomers require this, even if it is in limited minutes, let him bang them.

It's heartening to see Johnny Furphy there. He's a lightsout shooter and projected 28th pick in the draft. In a team where there are a lot of long, athletic guards that defend well but cant necessarily shoot - and a team that keeps dragging Chris Goulding along to fill a spot he's inadequate at - I wouldn't jump to say Furphy has no shot at this team.

From what I am reading, Goorjian wants to shore up shooting and interior presence here. The additions to interior presence are Landale, Zikarsky and Magnay. I wouldn't count out either Magnay or Zikarsky from a spot but seeing as he's publicly said that I cant help but think one boards the plane. If we want results today it should be Magnay.

Its hard to know what this team can or cant do. At the world cup we were missing our starting center and everyone else was playing out of position. I'd hope Goorj has learned from this. We couldnt afford to lose another big and we need extra help there.

Galloway definitely underrated.
Travers not even making camp doesn't look good either.

We definitely need another big. Our 1 to 3 positions are well covered (and looks like they are "ripening" just at the right time).

Landale and Reath will have their jobs cut out for them in the 4 and 5 spots. Thybulle can cover 4 defensively when needed to.

I know it would be a Christian Laettner spot but would love to see Zikarsky get a call up. Future prospect and a body to fill up the paint when needed.

I've watched most of Furphy's games this year - defensively he unfortunately is a liability at college level, let alone international ball. I saw a quote from draft expert Johnathan Givony - "His short wingspan and lack of lateral athleticism means he plays more like a 6'5 guard than the 6'9 he is listed at."

He hasn't yet developed much of an offensive game outside of catching and shooting, however he is still very streaky, only shot 35% from three on the season.

I would compare him to a poor man's Jack McVeigh.

I still absolutely rate him for the future, and agree with ME that I was happy to see him in the squad. But he is not ready for international level right now.

You have to start with the last squad;

Giddey
Mills
Thybulle
Kay
Reath

Exum
Green
Ingles
Cook
White
Goulding
Daniels

Landale is coming in for someone. White replaced him in WC23. But I would bet on it being Goulding. I think Green comes in to start, and Mills goes back to be the designated gunner.

Your Zikarsy's, Furphy's, are just there to get boomer experience and hope the elite rub something off on them.

McVeigh, Delly, DJ, Froling, Pinder, WMW are just 3rd squad bodies

If they want 'more size', I can see Magnay coming in for White, Cooks or Daniels. The latter because Daniels is coming off a meniscus injury, and Exum will play more minutes in the back court after this NBA season.

I can see a Giddey, Green, Exum back court rotation with Mills for gunning, and limited minutes for Ingles to bring up the ball.

Your "3rd squad bodies" might also be there to give the established players a different style of player to practice against.

I'm not saying that Froling plays like Durant or Embiid, LOL, but he might bring (or be asked to bring) something different as part of the preparations.

"Your "3rd squad bodies" might also be there to give the established players a different style of player to practice against."

Well yes... that is their purpose ....

Harry Wessels would have done something similar last year

Landale definitely in. I'd like to see one more big - if Magnay is healthy and hopefully has a Kay-like camp, put him in.

I think you’d need to replace two of White, Cooks, Kay.

Ingles/Mills less time on court replaced by more time for Green, Daniels....and a few mins for Goulding.

Goulding used as an off the bench sharp shooter like in 2021 and prior.

Landale and Reath more time, less time for the PF position players.

Magnay plays an insurance role if Landale is in foul trouble and Reath gets exposed defensively.

Start both Reath and Landale like we used to with Baynes and Landale in the 2019 world cup.

Magnay off the bench.

Yeah I think taking all three of Landale, Reath and Magnay is the go, if we're serious. End of the Kay era. Goodnight sweet prince, we’ll always have 2021...

"Landale definitely in. I'd like to see one more big - if Magnay is healthy and hopefully has a Kay-like camp, put him in.

I think you'd need to replace two of White, Cooks, Kay."

Why?

If Green is your starting SG and Exum gets plenty of minutes, why would you then need both Mills and Goulding?

We had 4 'bigs' last tournament, Reath, Kay, Cooks and White.

I'd be looking at making it 5, and cutting a Wing/Guard

Fair enough if you want to go that direction but then I'd probably cut Thybulle to be honest because I think there’s duplication with the glut of wingy types.

Boomers didn’t have enough scorer/sharp shooter talent last WC and relying on Mills to do that again IMO is way too risky.

I cannot emphasize enough. Green, Daniels, Exum are not those players. I don’t care what their NBA wide open three point percentage is, it’s not the same thing. They are not lethal types particularly when it counts, and they definitely weren’t in the WC.

So I’m big on having Mills AND a three point specialist that can come off the bench cold and be a flamethrower. It’s the #1 way to keep the scoreboard ticking over and make space for our athletic wings to do their thing.

1)

Giddey / Daniels
Exum / Mills
Green / Ingles / Thybulle
White / Cooks
Landale / Reath / Magnay

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2)

Giddey / Daniels
Exum / Mills
Green / Thybulle / Ingles
Reath / White
Landale / Magnay

Goulding or McVeigh

Currently I think this would be my team, but not 100% happy with it. I think with the lack of shooting, and a fair amount of skill duplication (see Exum, Daniels, Green, Thybulle), we don't quite have the well-rounded squad of the 2016-2019 squad.

Giddey/Exum/Daniels
Mills/Green/Goulding
Thybulle/Ingles
Landale/Cooks
Reath/Magnay

Also feel that a fifth big would be a big possibility, neither Ingles or Thybulle have performs that role well enough to provide confidence that they could play up a position.

So, depending on needs, skillset, squad balance and intangibles, could see any of Delly or Jack White come ok for Dyson Daniels... Maybe even Goulding if things get weird? Don’t envy the selectors.

Previously, the only scorer/sharp shooter was Patty.
Goulding is a player who must attempt many shots while playing for long periods of time. The Boomers wanted him to play short minutes and shoot with good efficiency. But so far he has never done that at all.

Chris Goulding

2016 Olympic
6G / 09:22 / 4 PTS (FG 30% , 3P 26.7%)
2019 World Cup
8G / 17:48 / 7.3 PTS (FG 37.5% , 3P 33.3%)
2020 Olympic
6G / 11:54 / 3.8 PTS (FG 29.2% , 3P 35%)
2023 World Cup
4G / 02:32 / 0.5 PTS (FG 14.3% , 3P 0%)

Call me crazy but I'd rather take Delly than Dyson Daniels.

Tbh neither probably gonna hit the court for long, if at all.

So I would much prefer Delly as a bench/chemistry guy.

Dyson has been injured most of the NBA season, he is underdone and his skillset is already there in Thybulle and Giddey. He will have his time in the future.

Also, Daniels is not really a pure PG, so Delly is a good backup to Giddey is Exum gets a bit loose with it and is more suited to a wing.

My team:

Giddey/Delly
Exum/Mills/Goulding
Green/Thybulle/Ingles
Reath/Kay
Landale/Magnay

I know no-one here likes Kay, but Jack White averaged 9 ppg in the G-League, isn't ready for extended minutes, and Cooks can't be on the floor the same as Giddey and/or Thybulle due to his shooting.

Patty Mills
13.1 Min / 4.1 PTS (FG 35.9% , 3P 28.6%)
You can't judge everything by records.
Looking at Goulding's FIBA record so far, he should not be selected.
If you look at Patty's NBA record, he is a worse 3-point shooter than Giddey.
I think White would have scored 9 or more if he played in the NBL or Japan.

All the noise out of the camp is that we're going to continue with the same BS style from the World Cup. Trying to outgun Canada and the US with less talent, and they aren't even the best teams getting around. Preparing for an ignominious group round exit. Hope to be proven wrong.

Why did you post a bunch of records and then say you can't judge just by records?

Agreed with above re issues with taking the same approach - the following are issues I currently see (and are intertwined):

1) big men stocks are insufficient to contest with euro squads
2) severe lack of scoring power - not enough power to keep the scoreboard ticking over, create space, come up in clutch
3) insufficient ball movement, too much dribbling
4) Giddey at PG doesn’t work
5) no general balance to the squad, too many Swiss Army knife wings that don’t give expertise in particular facets

Sorry Patty"TheGoat"Mills, I'm not taking a guy who averages 9pts/game in the g-league (a league of worse quality than the NBL or even Japan) to start at PF for the national team. But you are entitled to your own opinion.

Is there a problem with writing the stats?
If you can't tell the difference between league stats and FIBA stats, it's not worth talking about.

He's also 6'6, nowhere near big enough to play the 4 in FIBA

How many G League games do you watch? The G League is completely different from other leagues. They mostly only have certain players participate in the offense. WMW averaged just 3 points per game in the G League.

WMW played there 4 years ago... hardly a comparison.

Like I said, me personally that's not good enough form to warrant selection let alone starting, but if you see it differently so be it.

Jaylin Galloway

2023-24 G league - 20 Min / 4.7 PTS (FG 40.6% , 3P 14.3%)

2023-24 NBL - 22.3 Min / 10.26 PTS (FG 53.8% , 3P 33.8%)

Makur Maker

2021-22 NBL 15.8 Min / 7.71 PTS (FG 45.2% , 3P 33.3%)

2022-23 G league - 20.6Min / 7.5 PTS (FG 42.8% , 3P 34%)

Thon Maker

2021-22 G league - 19.8 Min / 7.7 PTS (FG 43.3% , 3P 21.3%)

2022-23 CBA - 29.4 Min / 16.8 PTS (FG 44.3% , 3P 28.1%)

2022 FIBA Asia Cup - 25.2 Min / 17.2 PTS (FG 47.4% , 3P 30.4%)

Ket, I want to know if you see any down side to this Boomers' squad!

Isaac Humphries

2019-20 G league - 23.1 Min / 8.8 PTS (FG 45.3% , 3P 28.3%)

2020-21 NBL - 23.6 Min / 13.3 PTS (FG 58.1% , 3P 55.6%)

MaxM, do you need more data?
White is 6'6. Draymond Green is also 6'6. Thybulle is also 6'5, but played Small-Lineup PF at the Tokyo Olympics. Is there anything that could be a problem?

MaxM, do you need more data?
White is 6'6. Draymond Green is also 6'6. Thybulle is also 6'5, but played Small-Lineup PF at the Tokyo Olympics. Is there anything that could be a problem?

So is everyone good with Ingles as a lock?

I am a fan of his game and what he's done in his career, but he's not the player he was at Utah, nor Barcelona.

His performance in the WC last year was terrible to the point that he was a liability on the court.
His hesitancy to shoot disrupted the offense, and defensively, he's almost a non-presence.

If Goorj is planning to play a transition style game, all the more reason to omit Ingles.


Creek's omission from camp is telling.
Clearly that's one beef that some people are holding onto tightly.
Obviously his antics of barking at the team during training camp a few years back didn't go down well at all, and evidently were the death stamp on his international career.

Does anyone know which players exactly said that they'll never play with him on the national team after that camp?

Travers biggest omission clearly

I believe it will be a mistake to take Ingles, even though we owe him so much for what he's done for the Boomers.

I’d rather take Travers or McVeigh.

After watching the last World Cup, I also said that Ingles should be excluded. Even when the World Cup was in progress, I said that Ingles should not be taken, and I said that until recently.

But think again.
Delly's FIBA stats continued to decline from the 2019 World Cup to the Tokyo Olympics, and he was not a leading player at the Tokyo Olympics. However, he is being considered for the final roster again due to his good performance in the NBL.
Goulding's stats are consistently poor in the 2016 Olympics, 2019 World Cup, 2020 Olympics, and 2023 World Cup, but he continues to be mentioned in the final roster. Because he played well in the NBL.

These are Joe and Patty's stats this season.

Joe Ingles

2023-24 / 4.4 PTS (FG 43.1%, 3P 43.1%) / 2.1 REB / 3 AST

Patty Mills

2023-24 / 4.1 PTS (FG 35.9%, 3P 28.6%) / 1.1 REB / 1.1 AST

Patty is the Boomers best player and a lock.
Someone said: White should not be selected because he scores 9 points in the G League.
Joe has better efficiency than Patty. He has no reason not to be chosen. Additionally, players whose records continued to decline in FIBA Ball are still being considered candidates for the final roster.

I don't want to call Joe a lock and although he was the worst player in the last World Cup, he deserves to go to training camp.

Joe needs to drop 15 kegs before he can even be considered

Quickly did the following team

Landale/Reath/Magnay
Kay/White
Green/Thybulle
Mills/Exum/Goulding
Giddey/Delly


But Ingles and Daniels are big omissions. Maybe swap one of them in for Magnay. Not sure there's enough space for extra big man insurance.

I like White and Kay over Cooks for better floor spacing

Could also leave Delly behind but I like the idea of a genuine PG and let Exum play the spare parts role

Exum should be a starter, either the two or three. Thybulle isn't required. Cooks is going to be there, Kay as well.

The world cup was piss poor for the team and for a lot of players individually, but unless you want to scorch earth and get rid of basically everyone, it makes no sense to use that as the key reason to get rid of Ingles. Until someone stands up and takes his spot, he'll have a spot in this team, doing what he does with the Magic - hopefully hitting shots, making high IQ basketball plays and bringing leadership and stability to the group. Patty and Joe walk onto this team, regardless of what their form is doing. In a team that is full of youth and athleticism they're the two that have the experience to back it up. Both get major minutes in a quarter or semi final if we're lucky enough to get that far.

I respect each person's opinion because everyone has different opinions.

however

Giddey - Mills - Green - Kay - Landale

This lineup cannot be used at the Olympics. There are no players who can play defense. Of course, it is possible if all three opposing teams are Asian teams. However, there is no Asian team. If we used this lineup in the Olympics, SGA and Doncic would have 40 points and 10 assists and we wouldn't have a single win.

Giddey/Delly
Exum or Mills/Goulding
Green/Ingles/Thybulle
Reath/Kay
Landale/Cooks or Magnay

Delly - Mills - Ingles - Kay

If this were 2019, this might be the best lineup. But it's 2024 and this lineup could be problematic on defense.

Come on, people. Surely with smart selections we can put together a 5 that will score a ton of points and also be able to lock down NBA-all-star-caliber opponents!

Baske 91, good side, get rid Thybulle and leave in Magnay.

My issue with the squad is Patty Mills. Short of building the team around him (which I believe would be a monumental disaster) what can he bring in small bursts off the bench that couldn't be contributed by a younger, next generation player. His last few years in the NBA has seen three different teams and three different coaches identifying 'DNP - Coaches Decision' as his team role. It strikes me that Patty has one playing style at one speed which didn't work for the Boomers during the last world cup, some of his shot selections were a little 'hero ballish' and it sometimes appeared that he wasn't even looking to pass. I guess I am worried that if he makes the team he will be given the same green light he had at the World Cup and I feel that will be detrimental to any Boomers medal ambitions. If it came down to a choice between Patty and Joe for the requisite 'experience' contribution I would prefer it to be Ingles as he has proven, this season, that he can positively contribute when offered limited minutes.

dcs - the problem with not taking Patty is I don't know where you go to for buckets when nothing else is working. Patty has always done that for us. He's the only guy I see on this team that can pull something out of his ass when nothing else is working. Whether off the bench in the diminished role or not, I don't think you get rid of a killer like Patty Mills. I think he should have the Green light and the instruction in his minutes should be throw it up and make something happen. If it's not happening, sit him down again.

My team

1)

Giddey / Daniels
Exum / Mills
Green / Ingles / Thybulle
White / Cooks
Landale / Reath / Magnay

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2)

Giddey / Daniels
Exum / Mills / Goulding or McVeigh
Green / Thybulle / Ingles
Reath / White or Kay
Landale / Magnay

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3)

Giddey / Daniels
Exum / Mills / Goulding or McVeigh
Green / Ingles / Thybulle
White / Reath
Landale / Magnay

The reason I chose White is because Giddey is the primary ball handler. Giddey will probably have the longest playing time and I thought White was the type of player that suited him best.

Athleticism, cutting, perimeter shooting, defense

4) Giddey at PG doesn't work

I think you gotta take the 3 centers and unless it's a total clusterfuck start Duop at the 4, even if it’s only a token starter for 4 minutes.

Taking the 3 c’s we need a 4 man and prolly should take the best shooter which would be White followed by Kay

I think we could get by with those 4 bigs and Thybulle and Ingles mopping up the small ball 4 minutes.

The team will live and die with Giddey and the reality is a top 8 finish would be an over achievement...There’s a version of this where Giddey breaks out.

Mills’s off the bench in a spurs Patty type of role.

Ingles over Goulding in re 3 p shooting, Goulding keeps getting picked for shooting, but he struggles with the length of international play, there’s a version of this where Goulding is unplayable.

Cooks lack of shooting squeezed him out…

Landale/Magnay
Reath/White
Green/Thybulle/Ingles
Exum/Mills
Giddey/Daniels

One spot up for grabs… Just thinking now, might take McVeigh’s shooting over Goulding or Cooks, interesting most are selecting Jack over DJV…

Goorj might trust Kay more than he does White??

Maccabi Tel Aviv center Josh Nebo might join Luka Doncic on the Slovenian national team for the Olympic qualifying tournament, per sources.

DJV cannot be in contention for Boomers until he shows consistently that he can defend at top levels. Since he struggles at NBL level then it's a NO from me.

Cooks very, very good last night in quarter final for Chiba, he has improved his D imo. Chiba had an excellent win, they qualified in 8th and beat 1st seed. Again Cooks free throws are poor for his quality type player and every thing is a layup but in the right system he's a winner.

Look I reckon Cooks makes the squad Goorj has him at sydney seems like it'd get awkward if he wasn't in the final team

Cooks not as good tonight in a loss, should make the squad but our nba guys are going to have to be exceptional, I believe we will have enough size in the 4/5 position.

The b league is a enjoyable league to watch, lots of corporate money in it, where in Australia it goes to the nrl, afl and cricket, it's a shame imo.