Please delete this thread and any similar.

The club has raised significant money (towards $20 K) from pledges on the spot at the meeting, there is more to come. There are plenty of good, influential people up north that likes where the club is headed.

What the club does not need is a whole lot of annonymous people to get on here and spread falsehoods as much of the above is. They would do it in the name of jealousy, fear of an emerging strong club and just for the sake of destroying the game that they feel they have not succeeded at.

There are many clubs with $50 K ++ debt to BASA and the $35 K is probably exaggerated because it is just accrued debt.

PLEASE DELETE THIS THREAD! IT is not in the interest of our game.

Sorry William but your anonymous as well.

So your saying the club did not go into liquation? Or have I made this story up?

But I have the power and money.

You are a foul mouthed, rude radio show disk jockey (and shock jock) so go back to playing your music, making up lies to get ratings and smoking your pot and stay away from our game.

And the lions are not going anywhere!

Trying to deflect the question away from the Club and towards my name will not change the fact that Centrals District Basketball Club has been placed into insolvency.

If this is not the case then member of the Central District Basketball club (yes you William) have no need to get offended or trying to insinuate that this thread is just scare tactics to bad mouth the club again.

I am not trying to perpetuate any myth or notion that mad not be true but I just wanted the basketball public to be informed of the predicament the club was placed in today at the AGM.


PS no need to get personal about a name or brand

I just dont like you or what you stand for howard.

See, people think im evil and trying to take over the world all I do is make the world a better place with great software products and honourable foundations. See http://www.gatesfoundation.org/default.htm for more information.

Its people like you, your sexual inuendos, treatment of women like objects and rudeness that are far more detrimental. I just wanted to let the public know who you are and what you stand for. See http://www.howardstern.com/ for more information.

Trying to change the subject will not change the facts about this threat.

I agree with you on that howard.

Everything i have stated is fact, 75 % of what you have stated is not. What 25% is right and what is not is open to further conjecture and discussion by anonymous people like us. I have to go and fly off now and I will not be tuning into your radio show howard.

This is just a silly thread and should be removed!

Anyone that uses the alias of howard stern, obviously wishes to emulate such a man and has no class.

trainings were held today both junior and senior

dude it was a general question, all u had to say was no that is not the case or something along those lines and it would have been over. geez take a chill pill

Northerner - what's the story here? If anyone would know, you would!

Mo', I don't know anything, just got back from golf weekend. Will send you an email if I hear something.

Yes Centrals WAS insolvent, but due to some excellent support from parents of Juniors, parents of Seniors and some senior players and coaches the Club raised over $15,000.00 in 10 minutes and is now able to trade out of its financial problems.

No Centrals did not try to buy a Championship, according to financial reports presented at the AGM from the auditor the ABA Men were $4500.00 under the Salary Cap and all money paid to players was gained through Sponsorship of the Men's Team. The ABA Women were $6000.00 under the cap and again the money paid to players was through sponsorship. That's over $10,000.00 under the club salary cap.

Centrals financial problems are more to do with mismanagement of weekly court hire, one team per court etc. the new treasurer seems to have a handle on this and the club should go from strength to strength. Good Luck to them.

To raise 15 K in the space of 10 days is an amazing accomplishment. Well done to everyone involved. I am not sure if any other club could achieve this. Too many people asking what is in it for me rather than give up for the success of the whole!

The club has an unbeleivable group of junior/senior coaches and some very dedicated players working on getting it done on the court. Its good to see its all happening off the court as well.

Let me get this clear...You are saying that the monies that senior players get payed comes from sponsors so then this does not come under the salary cap? How does that work??? Any money that is paid to a player should count towards the salary cap!

I think they mean it wasn't robbing from the junior program, but came from sponsorship direct to the Senior teams. Am I right?

Correct Doc!

If this information is right, how many other Clubs are equally challenged financially?

Does it render any of the general criticism of BASA for not spending money on 'marketing' the 36ers a little hollow? It seems to me that if these clubs were not so much 'in debt' to BASA, perhaps BASA would have more cash to 'spend'?

From my understanding Sturt, South and Forestville are OK but the rest are in varying amounts of trouble.

This also raises the question of when/if the new proposed seasons may start, as it will put further pressure on the clubs to pay BASA before payments are received (from that seasons subs).

I also meant to say that is why we should stay with the existing structure of seasons.

Let's draw a line in the sand- If BASA prevent clubs owing money from voting at next AGM, does that mean BASA has no vote at next mtg of Basketball Australia?
People in glass Domes should not throw stones.
By the way, well done Centrals. If you folded, it would mean another club cops all the shit, so thanks for remaining solvent

"to many northerners have access to the internet and we have to put up with them telling everyone who will listen how good they think they are at every win " - 57757

Easy, just be one of the ones who chooses not to listen/read and all should be fine :)

Keep putting your head into the sand and believing that everything will be ok.

Maybe if BASA management keep a close eye on the debt being accumulated by each club didn't allow Centrals to run up a debt of $85,000 then basketball in South Australia wouldn't be on deaths door

Howard

To your points:

1. When the clubs effectively 'run' the sport and 'command' BASA, how does BASA prevent clubs like Central falling into debt?

2. What power - financially or constitutionally - does [or should] BASA have to pull them up?

3. Why are the clubs unable to manage themselves?

Surely the Clubs have to accept responsibility for their own financial positions?

If 9 out of the 10-member club are allegedly owing money to BASA then the system that is currently in place is not working or Basketball is in deep poo.

"1. When the clubs effectively 'run' the sport and 'command' BASA, how does BASA prevent clubs like Central falling into debt?" I don't know but maybe BASA could implement a brand new district basketball direction for basketball in this state and only allow a licence to a club that can control a budget?

"3. Why are the clubs unable to manage themselves?" absolutely clubs have to take control and accept the responsibility of keeping better control of their own finances

But CDBC can not continue to go to parents, players and past member for financial support, what are they going to do in 6 months time when that month has been spent? What will happen if the treasury department become unreasonable and call in the $10.45 Million debt that BASA has and CDBC owe $1.4 Million of (10% being 1/10th owner of BASA)

Should basketball in SA look at pulling up stumps and starting again ALA the A-League soccer and simply have clubs that can run at a profit?

This problem runs deeper than the CDBC and everyone involved has to take control and look for a solution to help the sport prosper and grow? Continuing to allow a club to run debts of much as $80,000 is irresponsible to both other clubs as well as the game itself.

How did they raise $15,000 in the last 10 days? In 6 months time are theses same people going to be happy about investing money into the club again?

The club financial objectives would still be the same, to run in the black not the red.

Who cares if I have a positive or negative attitude? I am not involved in any capacity with the club so it shouldn't matter.

I only posed a few questions as to why a club could get in that position and why it was allowed to get to that large a sum of money. Good luck to CDBC if they are to survive and I wish them the best of luck.

OH MY GOD who are all you people who think they know EVERYTHING about Centrals and what goes on at the club.
"They shouldn't buy a championship team. They shouldn't do this, they shouldn't be in the ABA competition, they shouldn't do that, they shouldn't"... blah blah blah.
Well WE ARE in the comp, So everyone GET OVER IT.

LOL,

That's the point of this post Central District Basketball Club by all accounts have no money and any organizations that have no money should not be in any competition.

So 'Playa' read the post and understands the predicament that the club is in before shooting your playa hating mouth off.

Forr and Sturt are doing a great job
but they do have a distinct advantage over most clubs with the facilities they have and the opportunities to raise money through their excellent bar and canteen facilities. As their clubs continue to grow so will their financial resources. This is great for them, but people must understand the difficulties facing many other clubs, it would be a disaster to lose any clubs as they all provide opportunities for young people to get a start in this great sport. Its ok for the rich to get richer but it is important to make sure the poor dont get poorer because the rich will always need to have someone to compete against.

Forestville and Surt have too great an advantage over the other teams with the facilities they have been provided with...........Let Centrals play Div one if they want too....get back to bashing up on Southern Tigers thats much more fun

When you get 2 teams in div 1 which appears inevitable and the weaker clubs become weaker (that will happen) what are you going to do when your div 2's are still winning by large margins. Youll need to have 3 teams in div 1 and eventually players will get sick of an incestuous competition. It wont be much different than having a scrimage at training which you can do now.
There is no doubt that some clubs have much work to do but an agenda that will eventually put them out of business will do a great deal of harm to basketball in general. There is room for all to grow and prosper, divide and conquer at yours and basketballs peril

No doubt not a good situation 50 point plus margins are no fun for anyone but with support encouragement and hard work maybe that margin will be reduced next time round. That is the answer to your problem. Send that team back to div 2 and they lose a couple of potentially good players to the powerfull clubs which in turn creates another set of problems for both clubs.
What we need is much more even spread of coaching resources and the competition will improve. But its probably not cool for a quality coach to go to a lowly club and turn it around. After all the true reflection of good coaching is to significantly improve a team or club. Perhaps we need to find some coaches who are prepared to get out of their comfort zones and take on the challenge of making basketball better as a whole.

Anonymous 57981

"Why would a 'quality' coach want to go to a poor club?"

I couldn't think of a better challenge to give a coach.

Coach a team/club that everyone (bar a few) on here thinks doesn't deserve their place in Div 1, turn them into a winning team, and produce some serious ballers for the senior team.

What is the basis a lot of good sporting movies? A shit team turned around by a good coach who completely changes the way things are done. It happens all the time, and not solely in basketball.

Seth James or should i say HOME BOY,
what do you know about Centrals? As I am a PLAYER, I know that Centrals is out of the debt it needed to get out of and is currently in the same position as most other ABA clubs.

58007

"A coach cannot change the attitude and philosphy of a club".

Maybe not short term, but certainly long term one person can make a difference. How you may ask? New ideas, new trainings, new ways of doing things from a different club. Dallas Quigley has told me Justin Schuller has implemented some new things to their trainings that have helped them alot. Who knows, maybe this might help get them over the line in ABL?

Yes I left to receive better coaching, BUT just as 58011 stated, that was 8 years ago, and things sure have changed from when I was a junior. I've seen first hand what Rick has got going on up there, and it's nothing compared to what I had when I was in U18's / U20's. It will be a few more years but slowly you will see their juniors take some big steps in the senior ranks.

58013, I left because I didn't agree with my senior coach's philosophies and the way he coached, it had nothing to do with my junior coaches. I had plenty of good influences when I was a junior sitting on the bench. Al Green, Nathan Hawkes, Shane Degaris, Dwayne Nelson, Jerry Dennard, Willie Joseph, DJ Rmac (just had to throw that one in there!!!)

58037, and so you have come to the crux of my opinion.

When they get a solid group of coaches there, and players don't move on as much (or drop out) the junior players will be able to look up to players that have played there their whole junior career. I'm sure they took the players I mentioned took the money and ran, why wouldn't they? They didn't grow up playing there. This is exactly what has happened to most other clubs, except Centrals, and it will take time to get to this point.

FYI my coach at the time was Bob, I went to North and was coached by Richard Orlick (and got to play ball with my bro too, an added bonus).

58111

Sorry mate I didn't explain too well... What I wanted to get across was that the players I looked up to were not juniors at Centrals. If/when they get some good coaching that produce good juniors consistently, these players have the opportunity to be "looked up to" by the younger brigade when they are in ABL. BUT, the development of the junior players can only happen with the attraction of good quality coaching (who are there for the long term), which I agree, will probably have to happen through other clubs coaches coming across. I started getting involved in this post because one of the Anonymous's on here said "why would a coach want to go there?" Like I said 2 days ago, what better challenge for a coach?

58109
I played with Shane when I was 17. He was a massive influence on me and I thought he was the true definition of a point guard. I learnt a shit load from watching him play.

If you are reading this thread ask yourself; who are these anonymous people are posting about the Lions?? What their real motives are for anonymously posting about the club?? What are their back grounds??

This post is in response to the points made in posts of Centrals "going broke" on their ABL program, the low quality of our Junior Coaching program, its coaches, Centrals bringing down other clubs to the lowest common denominator because there they did not support Pro/Rel etc. etc.

99.9% of the things I read here are a good laugh. Unfortunately, speaking to some of our impressionable kids, and in some cases parents, that do read the forum, and take on board what anonymous people say, I think it is important to put some things in perspective.

- Junior Coaches; Jye Watson, Justin Wilkey, Myself, Matt Atkins, Adam Todd, Chris Clausen, Rohan Cordes, Ben Elliot (sorry if I am forgetting someone) all have been ABL squad members in the past couple of years. All of these guys are involved as a coach, assistant coach or fitness coach of a junior team. NOT A BAD COACHING LINEUP BY THE WAY.
- Overspending on ABL Program: The Lion King posted that the club was well under the salary cap  he seems to know what he is talking about.
- Senior players putting into the juniors: All the senior players have agreed to help out with Junior teams and most are doing so.
- Continuity of Junior program into ABL: Our U18 Men's squad has 5 players who are also in the ABL development squad. They are training with the men over the summer and some will continue over the ABL Season. Training with players and QUALITY people like Jye, Justin, Hammo and Reggie will be a great experience for them. If these guys were paid, is it really such a bad thing  don't forget, that they would be paid at any club, so why not Centrals? If the club does happen to recruit some more players that are NBL level players then maybe that would be a good thing for our Junior program to workout with these guys.
- Quality of our Junior Coaches: Having been around the game at descent level of District basketball for 20 years (Div 1 Junior player, ABL/Div 2 Senior player, Asst ABL Coach, U16 & U18 Div 1 / 2 Coach etc.) I know the coaches of other clubs, their playing/coaching experience, qualifications and basketball backgrounds. I have a huge respect for anyone that coaches and gives up their time at any club. Having said that, if you compare the coaches at other clubs to the ones Centrals has in place it could be argued, and would be strongly argued by myself, that we compare very favourably.
- Ricky Simpson is currently running our Junior Program (Call him the Coaching Director for want of a better word). I speak with Ricky about players, what our U18 program is doing and what we need to be doing to get my players ready for our ABL squad on a weekly basis. NOT A BAD COACHING DIRECTOR BY THE WAY.
- No Consistent Junior COaching Philosophy: The club has a documented coaching program for the boys for every age group. Ricky, Myself, Allen Mullins and Rohan Cordes spent considerable time and continue to spend considerable time working on and refining this document. More important than having it on paper, remember many of our coaches have played in the ABL squad under RIcky so understand the system.
- Poor Committee: Apparently, a lot parents and supporters have just put a significant amount of money in to prop up the club. Some of these people are obviously successful business people and will want to make sure the club succeeds. These people, to my knowledge, did not ask what is in it for them or their kids  they just did it. By putting money up they have shown they are committed and I am sure they will want to ease the burdon on the few that have been doing all the work on the Management Committee.
- Losing players to other clubs: We are not in the business recruiting players, but a few Div 1 Junior players have infact moved over to our club this year by their own accord. On the boys side (I wouldn't know about the girls) we are not losing a significant amount of players to other clubs as stated by a number of posters.
- Facilities, venue, area: The club shares a stadium owned by a major school in the North. The Northern suburb's population is growing exponentially. The financial demographic of the area is moving up due to things like the Defense Warship project, the army battalion, mawson lakes, new housing estates moving out there etc. etc. The stadium is arguably the best in the state.
- Bringing other clubs to the lowest common denominator because there is no pro/rel: In the younger age groups this season the club does not have many teams in Div 1. These teams all seem to be competing well at Div 2/3/4 level. In terms of the older age groups, well, we will see how we go.

A poster made comments that the club should be investing more into the junior program than into senior program. I would be interested for that poster to contact me and explain what would the club want to spend money on? Most of our ABL squad members are coaching, we have the best facilities, Our ABL Coach is Coaching Juniors and is also overseeing our Junior Program  so what else needs to spent on the junior program?

Most of my comments apply to the boys program because unfortunately I don't work in the girls side of the club.

There are many things about the club that are unique and people fear things that are different. Maybe the structures the club are putting in place in relation to how the ABL program relates to the Junior are the ones that other clubs will look to in the future.

Maybe many of the above posters are making these comments out of fear? If that's not the case, why don't they come out to the club and learn more? Or better yet learn more and then get involved.

In closing, the club has a long way to go. The culture of the club reminds me of been at Norwood in the early 90s as it was laying the foundations for the significant success it had in 93/94/95/96/97. Everyone is working together and getting it done. Many strong friendships and working relationships are been developed over many years at Centrals and this is what, I think, was the one of the secrets to the success Norwood had in the past.

I'm not sure I will be around the game as a coach for many more years but I know that I will be proud to have been involved with Centrals during these stages and be working with so many positive young players, parents and fellow coaches.

By the way that is the last comment I will make about this on the forum. if anyone wants to know more, wants me to respond to your comments or want to ask any questions then contact me. i am not that hard to find.

# 58285

He shoots he scores

Janx

Don't expect everyone to be a sycophantic supporter of the CDBC like yourself and the people you named and those who don't are not necessarily wrong, its simply your opinion.

Don't try and pass the blame of an anonymous poster on a basketball forum for the lack of success and innuendo that get talked about for the down comings of your basketball club. Saying that the false hope and rumour mongering is being created by this or any basketball is just showing a lack of respect for there intelligence.

A good basketball club is judged by how the junior side of the club is run, not by how many premiership they have or have now won.

Very Nobile of you to stand up for the club you coach and it is expected that you only see the good things that you're involved with but some of us have experienced basketball cultures at different clubs as well.

Anon 58285
All the programs you listed are up and running and have been for a while, Aussie hoops is run in the Eliz-Gawler area while Centrals conduct school clinics within the area and as far away as Murray Bridge and the Riverland, so you have no idea.

Anon 58294
You are a tool, none of the Centrals ABL players are being paid to coach Centrals teams, they do it to improve the overall standard of the club and to be involved with the Juniors, some get paid to go to schools and do clinics etc but that is common place all over Australia. so you also have no idea.

I do not understand this mind set of "a good player goes to Centrals so he must be getting paid" that is not always the case, some just want to play under Ricky ask some of them, Jye, Justin, Hamo and Reggie. For those that have not played under Ricky ask the players and you will have a better understanding of why they want to play at Centrals.

I heard that not only were the men's team under the salary cap but jye donated some of his contract back to the club, and if the whole team is under 12K then he didnt make a whole lot plus you have reggie, wilkey, and more to all fit within. I see Jye almost living at Starplex so what ever he makes he earns wilkey is in school and reggie from all accounts has a good job and doesnt require a whole lot to play. just thought I would throw that in.

Well if that's not the reason why WAS Centrals insolvent? Lack of sponsorship monies, court hire costs, low subscriptions?