100% agree but not sure if Women's team might lose most of its platers to retirement or not being supported/played.

This isn't twitter.

Ghost,no retirements,straight out NOT SUPPORTED,just like a few years back

Anon,twitt

Am telling ya'll straight up- Gulls mens team will for sure be playing champ men and thats from BV insiders

Stop ya hate and move on and focus on the happenings down the other end of the peninsula

Just shows you the standard of the game.cant get a sniff of a victory and guaranteed to stay there.
Gee,half brother of Ben is so protected.surely his salary must be subsidised by big v

No one will be forced to go down this year just like last year. Competition is still impacted by COVID.

Wouldn't be surprised to see Big V add a couple of teams though to fatten up their top divisions (Men & Women).

Heard different.
No decision been made yet.
Real concern both Chelsea (m) and southern peninsula (w) are uncompetitive that likely to be relegated.
big redistribution of teams could do 3 promoted. Or keep C and SP Make top 10 teams.
Basketball V worried about standard. Need to lift to make championship third level.

It's simply not 3rd level at the moment.
I would hate to be the person making the decision.cannot believe how much the standard has gone down in past few years.

It's gone down due to two years of covid. Young players lost time to develop and gain experience plus some older players didn't return.
Just these two facts lead to a 20% drop off plus some older imports are being overpaid because they work for clubs.

The Bottom end of Div 2 and Div 1 men is horrible the standard of player awful not at semi pro level when teams are rolling out what they are playing with.

Men's needs to be two divisions max surely if teams haven't won in 2 years they need to be dropped down. COVID and Injuries impacting teams a lot this season.

Jack Rabbit
What are you on?
As if big v are going to let a 0 and whatever team stay up.
And what is going on at other end of peninsula?
Don't speak in riddles man

Jackrabbit has been down his burrow to long

If they were smart, they'd use this opportunity to restructure the Big V.
Two divisions of 8 or so teams. Play 22 or so games.

Ghost,that would make to much sense,so will not happen.the gulls have just taken to the court and it looks like half brother of Ben has done a heart muscle,not placing.fair dinkum,if he is still there next year they will have to go to the wall

Much improved performance by WP men lately. Very competitive. Along with women doing well in Div 1 could have two championship teams 2023
Chelsea down to one championship.
Southern peninsula division one club.
Mornington seniors competitive but Div 2.
Time Mornington and Western Port merge.
Strong juniors Mornington and strong senior at Westernport.
If merge southern peninsula will become like Chelsea is to Frankston to the new merged association

WTF happened to sharks?
They were contenders two years ago in women now one win!
Men are struggling in Division 1.
Man big G must be laughing.

Has anyone got a ferret I can use to get jackrabbit to come up from his burrow

Gulls preparing for a monster year in 23

Stop drinkin the water outta the shark tank

Jackrabbit,what,in division 3

Gulls and a monster year! They'll need money to do that and some known coaches.
Men in Div 1 and majority of Senior Women retiring - that'll bring on a monster year

Amazing performance by King Corey... must be most expensive 8 points in Big V!

Don't forget though,they were 8 QUALITY POINTS.what a joke.
The club in dead in the water

The most expensive DOC ever for an association with no quality teams, 4-5 years ago the VJBL teams looked to be slowly getting better,(his 1st-2nd year) it's now gone backwards and it's time to go Corey. You can ride on Ben's coat tails for money.....Chelsea will be a memory in 2-3 years.

Gelder,history in 3/4 months

It's a shame that some on the committee couldn't see through the charade that is Half Brother of Ben. Wasted nearly half a million of club/family's money over his tenure for what??? One D1 championship (mainly cause Riggs/Brasser played for $0), and VJL teams have decreased by 25% ($48k) and are in Division 4 and below. The sooner he goes to Perth the better.

Those on here constantly attacking Chelsea need to zip it.
it is a group most of which went to southern peninsula.
They recruited players from Chelsea to southern peninsula many have since left.
The juniors they recruited from Chelsea under false promises are now regretting leaving. The parents of these kids were told they would be playing VC. They are not and the Chelsea kids are part of teams that have won only a few games in the whole season. Those parents have already started to talk to chelsea about returning.
THey took entire Chelsea youth league women team to southern peninsula. 90% have since left and the team sits on bottom of YL2.
The senior women team are fractured. Having won one game. Three imports in six months. All under the ex Chelsea leadership.
Players are already put feelers out for next year to go to other clubs.
The mens team sits in the middle to bottom of Div 1.
These guys many of who are known to be on this forum need to focus on their new club and not chelsea. Many at chelsea blame them for chelsea issues. history repeating itself at their new club.
Our new GM had southern peninsula flying. Many of the good southern peninsula sponsors are now at chelsea. We are heading in the right direction.

Hopefully that direction doesn't include the half brother of Ben. Once he's gone, they will be back on track.

Half brother of Ben....really?
Pud which of the southern peninsula gulls are you?
The former president of southern peninsula is part of Chelsea now. That says it all.

In all honesty, Standerfer's time is up, maybe good for Div 2, but overpaid for the little direct affect on VJBL coaches and players he has.
Has not risen to the heights he sprouted when first appointed as DOC.
Next candidate please for DOC and a new face import with passion, please...

In all honesty he's far better than your southern peninsula crew.
The sharks CW will be Div 1 women 2023 - walkout of players. Talk to Washington and Glenn about culture.
Div 1 men - 2023 no jones no sharks. He'll leave. If you want to talk up time is up look at brasser his stats this year
Youth league Div 2 men middle to bottom Div 2 women are bottom
VJBL no VC teams and lucky to have met 2 teams in 2023.
This after stealing all Chelsea's best juniors! There is a mass walkout happening at southern peninsula.
Gelder and Pud concentrate on your club. You tried to destroy one club and now ruining a second.

Longtallsalley, deflection doesn't work! You sound like a King Corey disciple or a key committee member?
Yes, new GM doing great job but can't cover basketball side unfortunately. Would be better than King Corey ifshe did.
The King has done little to improve placement of teams - look at their finishing positions. Overall, lower rankings.
He's teaching what other clubs were using 5-6 years ago and only part of it. Supposed to increase State and Development program participation- how's that going?
How many CM and CW players will be at Chelsea next year? Lots of retirements and others looking to move on due to treatment
Both clubs have issues and need changes

Corey isn't the sole reason the club is where it's at. The southern peninsula gulls crew are the major reason.
There is already a big walk out at southern peninsula.
Women team is fractured. Personality clashes with coach, between players and with imports. Not enough investment in team (no second import). DOC won't make changes necessary.
The women program is looking so much stronger at Chelsea. Southern peninsula will be relegated one win. They will struggle to field a team in 2023. Chelsea CW five wins. A few ex Chelsea players already asking to come back. GM at chelsea has great connections within basketball Victoria.
Corey has done a great job with youth league women who last year were developing. This year four wins and counting. The pathway is there. Southern peninsula women youth league players have already started to approach other clubs.
Southern peninsula have the last of Hillier's u18 female players this year. Next year they'll struggle to field a team. Players recruited from chelsea are regretting following people down there and will return to chelsea boosting us. Sharks can't even field an u18 domestic program them and Westernport trying to get girls. So they have a huge cultural issue which Corey and Bridie have avoided at the nest. What's common between Chelsea and southern peninsula look at people.
As for Men yep it will be a rebuilding year in 2023. Look who is at gulls behind the scenes off court. Impressive. With Corey and new GM all you southern peninsula gulls will have eggs on your face.

Some people have no idea. Some real misinformed comments on here about this.

Open your eyes people and don't believe the lies you are being told.

True Rr
So let's state facts:
Southern peninsula womens team has won one game, are on their third import in six months (talk to the ones that left) coach and best player are arguing constantly in practice, youth league are sitting second bottom (of division 2) having lost more games this year than last, all high performance players left. Any of that wrong?
Chelsea women have performed exceptional well in first year CW. Youth league has improved dramatically from last year winning more games than southern peninsula.
Southern peninsula gull crew took to recruiting junior players directly from Chelsea. Can't be debated.
Look at the sponsors the gulls have signed on. Basketball people. The club is building. Has a great off court team unlike those south.
Chelsea is on the way up and people should stop taking anonymous pop shots at Corey and focus on their own back yard.

Chelsea women & youth have been propped up by current and former Blues juniors

Chelsea on the up big time

Only peeps that disagree are those sent packin n ended up way south of Chelsea

Wish I could say the same bout other clubs further down the pen

Haters gonna hate

I think jackrabbit might have a bit of mixo.sorry to hear that.no way are the gulls on the up.

Red n Blue so wots so good bout sharks?
Ya realise you mens team strugglin in d1? And aint eva played champ ?

On behalf of forum users ,

Both clubs are absolute shite.

Just meet in the car park of whatever crappy high schools you use and be done with it.

Billy Bob, you are so right - both are suited and should be Div 1 level.

Gull SCW will stay up only because SP are "SO BAD"!
Predict Gulls for wooden spoon in 2023 based on recent performances!

Both men and women will be in Div 1 in 2024 with SP where they belong.

Billy Bob, you are so right - both are suited and should be Div 1 level.

Gull SCW will stay up only because SP are "SO BAD"!
Predict Gulls for wooden spoon in 2023 based on recent performances!

Both men and women will be in Div 1 in 2024 with SP where they belong.

Another loss for both women and YLW at sharks.
Funny how when called out the posters go quiet.
But according to some no problems.
Again
- at least a half of current team gone in 2023
- no YLW in 2023
- in fighting galore
- u18 won't make VJBL 5
All due to The southern peninsula gulls mafia.
GM will they or won't they make the tough but easy call?

Notice the gulls were extremely successful again tonight.the old fella,half brother of Ben has broken another heart muscle

Longtallsalley, no need to bash poor SP as we all agreed with you they are in a bad way.
Why not agree that the Gulls mens and women's team aren’t much better? Facts don’t lie!
As Red’n’Blue accurately stated " the gulls were extremely successful again tonight " with both teams losing by ave of 34 pt tonight.
SCW beat Wyndham by 11 in red 1 and lose to them by 36 tonight - 47 point turn around the wrong way! Plus McKinnon beats Gulls by 21 last week and SP by 23 tonight. Sounds like two similar teams based on facts. Can’t question that Longtallsalley?
King Corey less SCM continue winless run!
Gotta feel for Gulls GM, doing great job off court but on court performancet, under the Kin’s guidance, is going down the tube rapidly!

Also, wanted to highlight the supposed great work done by King Corey with Gull YLW, not!
There top 5 players, statistically, are all imports!
Two from Frankston Juniors, one from Blackburn, one from McKinnon and one from Dandenong. Plus another from the 2021 senior Women bench who did want to play in SCW.
YLWs coach has done great job but it's the imports that have caused improvement, not the King's work with them!

Didn't think that DOC’s did work with the senior program, then again. Chelsea’s needs to justify the $$ paid.
Is there a decent import down south looking to swim away? Fresh start, new blood required.

Gelder, it definitely does. Not that he does rhat much really!
Not sure there are too many imports down south thatd be suitable. Expect Gulls will bring back old women's import in 2023 as she's part of the posse that controls women's program.

Gelder,
Hear that the imports down south are all looking to jump. The mens will be snapped up and the womens will three in six months show the culture of club
Ghost fair call that gulls are in trouble with mens program. My point is that the juniors were raided by old disgruntled ex gulls now sharks.
Given the youth league teams played today and gulls won it is clear which program is in better position.
Sharks women program senior and youth league would be 90% non sharks.
The facts are clear. 2023 gulls Div 1 men CW for women. YL have won five games and beat sharks
Men youth league goes to sharks but their Div 1 season has collapsed because of ex sharks.
If they had a strong GM the doc and coaches would be gone.

Is there relegation given we are still in COVID times?

Didn't big V state that relegation is optional given competition is still compromised due to COVID impact?

Relegatation or not,plain old commonsense must take place.
They simply are not upto it,and
They do not have the coin

Commonsense is that gulls men go down and sharks women as well.
Difference is gulls will bounce back. Southern peninsula women won't. Massive cultural issues.
Watch the southern peninsula gulls turn on each other.
Like to hear from Rr again. State a few facts and he runs away. Perhaps he is part of the southern peninsula gulls crew.

Why would you voluntarily play down a level?

So Rr obviously a member of the southern peninsula gulls. Going to dispute any of the facts above?
First you leave gulls try and steal all the juniors only to see them crumble. Now you've run the sharks into ground.

Longtallsally, get over the whole junior thing. It's history and those people know they were wrong.
You seem to be the only one going back to the club split issue.
Face it, both clubs have issues and need major changes on the basketball side to get back on track, it they can?

I think rr's comments were in response to a post saying sharks SCW and gulls SCM should both drop down.

Unless you know who the person who posted is how can you make conclusions?

Keep it nice peoples.

Facts are

Chelsea gulls use to be a very strong family club,
Facts are now,THE CLUB IS STUFFED

facts are one hub of Ben has totally stuffed the Chelsea gulls

Not the old committee
They are the facts

Red 'n' blue you even understand what FACTS are?

Where your evidence?

Jack Rabbit, I can confirm that the facts that Red'n'Blue have stated are 100% correct. Half brother of Ben has driven the club into the ground by taking his wages under false pretences. Just check the results of all Big V teams and VJL gradings. Speaks for itself!

JackRabbit, I'm the Senior program he appointed coaches with limited or no experience at those levels do he couldn't be challenged.
He worked with his posse to get rid of the SCW coach who was proving what he wanted implemented didn't work and was successful doing different things. Again, replace that coach with inexperienced assistant.
Claims he's improved YLW but has done little for them. They got better by recruiting better players at SCW and YLW.
Not worth the money being spent on him.

Jackrabbit,I do know the facts,obviously you just don't get it.
Take a holiday

Well more issues it seems coming from down south.
If you were at one club and you leave it in a mess and go to another club and leave it in a mess are you unlucky or the one to blame?

Ouch!

Longtallsally, funny you want to bag people who left, which some could rightly deserve , but you don't respond to facts about basketball issues at Chelsea which are mostly the doing of your King and his posse.
Why's that?

It's almost entertaining but the childish, cowardly and borderline insanity that comes from these 2 clubs is just nuts. The fighting on this forum is just destroying the reputation of both clubs to the point that I can't see why anyone would want anything to do with either of them. If this is what the poeple are like at these 2 places steer well clean of them both.

These clubs are an absolute mess. It's embarrassing.
No one bothers with SP since G left. Current GM and board are getting what they deserve for getting rid of him.
Chelsea has been a disgrace since the previous GM ran it off the rails.
Not a coincidence that similar people at both clubs and use this forum to settle gripes.
Any serious junior basketballers go to Mornington or Frankston anyway.

serious players to mornington ? are you serious ? only if the player has a parent on committee and no prior connection to mornington would that be a good move

If your choice is between Mornington and southern peninsula which would you take?
Mornington VJBL rank far higher than southern peninsula. More experienced coaches.
And if you think the same situation doesn't exist at southern peninsula You are kidding yourself.

my kids started at mornington total waste of time, moved to frankston and never looked back, i don't doubt you regarding same situation at SP as we have friends going through the nightmare down there

Player don't get me wrong Frankston easily of Mornington. I'm just saying Mornington over southern peninsula.
I hope your friends get out quickly.

Ghost,
Personally disgust me when people leave a club and then take pot shots at it but worse still undermine those left behind by recruiting junior players. Whatever Corey has done right or wrong at least he hasn't been on these forums actively undermining others. He hasn't white anted the club by getting parents to take kids to a rival club (encouraged by that clubs board and management).
The criticisms directed at him about coaching etc may be fair but southern peninsula gulls actively sought to weaken another club. That's not cool. And both clubs should be building up from within.
If Corey is on the right path you wouldn't know when youth league women leave, when multiple quality juniors leave all recruited.
One thing that is right is the reputation of both clubs has taken an absolute battering. GM, DOC boards are not held in high regards within basketball community because of all this.

Player
Describe the nightmare that is southern peninsula

Longtallsally, can't disagree with any of what you said in the last sentence.
Unfortunately, poaching and recruiting have been common place for years in VJBL. When clubs disintegrate like these two loses are always common place. Both clubs lost players due to poor decisions, poor actions and too many negative stories.

What a mess!

Gee,I am glad those gulls are improving,23 big points at half time,got to be happy with time.notice the person with a leaky heart a.k.a. HBofBEN is out yet again,w9nder which club is is going to stuff up next

It's so sad seeing frosty trying his heart out each week in a under talented team.he has to join his brother in nbl 1 next season.just wasting away at the moment

You guys must lead exciting lives

It's actually sad that one man has ruined the Gulls, and even sadder that his mates on the committee let him do it!

Another poor performance by Sharks women team

Perhaps they should focus on they own club and not gulls

What's really disgusting about these clubs is the amount of money that gets diverted from junior program into the senior to satisfy the egos of a few.
There is no need for general managers who have four four to five staff underneath. Either have a general manager and one admin staff or have a small group of staff led by committee.
On the basketball side there is no need for high performance coaches and a DoC. One or the other. Once an athlete reaches a certain level the BV pathway is enough. And/or the athletes best interests should be put first and they encouraged to move to a larger club.
The Big V programs are made up of players/coaches getting paid who aren't part of clubs original development and the cash spent is on imports is just not worth it. They should be made up of local players.
These small associations need to take warning from hawthorn trying to buy their way to an unsustainable dream.
Or small associations should merge.
Some of these programs have wages bills in the hundred thousand dollar range and could easily be run on half that with the rest Put into infrastructure or player development .

The most sensible post on this topic, 100% agree!

You have 4 big V teams.
They have a played 69 games in big v
They have won 17.
Your percentage is 25%.
Yet you still take shots at your old club.
How is the DOC, SM, SW coach still employed.
Because GM doesn't have the guts to make the call.
SPG bugger off and leave gulls alone and fix your own tank.

Longtallsalley,,you are making some serious accusations there.i think you have a serious chip on your shoulders.just go back a few years and check out the stats.
There has onl6 be one problem and it's called half brother of Ben.
St7ffed up a 9n e great family club and never to recover

It's quite ironic that the former Chelsea GM was caught out only doing 1 day's work a week and resigned the day he was to be sacked. Then signs with SP and they think he is the messiah of basketball, yet they now realise he has no clue about coaching or running a club. HBOB has also been found to be doing nothing in his role of DOC at Gulls, and that program is suffering badly. A real shame that 2 once great family clubs are going down the chute because certain committee members think certain staff members are doing a great job!

Longtallsalley had the inside info?
Sharks head coach gone. Pushed?
One win season.
Left club entirely.

Fox87.. not pushed whisper is has taken up GM job at another peninsula association

Some would say what a STEEL

https://wpba.com.au/welcome-peter-caspersz/

Heard he's still coaching SP women to end of season!
Good luck to him I say!

It's amazing how clubs listen to the bullshit that this man speaks. Hope he works more than the one day a week he worked at Chelsea! He has ruined 2 clubs on the peninsula, I hope for the Steelers sake he doesn't do the same there. Good luck, you'll need it.

Might need to reassess the standings of the SP and Gulls women's teams after their clash tonight. SP by 34! Neither team looked to be at SCW level.

No King Corey playing again tonight. Not even there to support the team!
Being honest, might be time for a change in import and DOC purely on results!

Well done Ghost ya clearly have no idea

Jack Rabbit ... have no idea?
How do you figure that out. Oh, because I stated facts that were too hard to understand?
Please tell me what I don't understand?

Exodus of players, looking at options next year, Morale is low. Club needs to pull the trigger, but has it got the intestinal fortitude?

Another big weekend for Gulls! SCM lose by 30 & 40. Only have 7-8 players. Their SCW lose by lot and look well below SCW level just as SP women do.

Maybe time for League to look at things and make some hard decisions?

Similar in NBL1, not sure I'd Dandy and Melb shouldn’t be dropped down to State Camp?

Big V rule for this season sees relegation as optional given competition is still compromised due to COVID impact.

Can understand why Gulls would consider dropping to D1 but is it smart to do given they would lose most senior players?

They may never win D1 to get back to Champ. Keep it whilst you have it.

According to Gulls FB page, they are advertising for a junior DOC. Whilst that would be a positive move if HBOB has moved on, they seemed to have created a position of Basketball Development Manager. Surely that won't be King Corey!!

He has played for a while and one can inly assume it is him.

Perfect role for him, manage others to do the actual stuff so he can blame them for it not working.

New role isn't even listed on website!

Some interesting developments to be announced soon

surely this saga has come to a close they embarrassed themselves in CM

Can confirm Chelsea 100% playing champ men and women 2023

So no relegation as expected!
No penalty for poor form or reward for excellence!

Let's hope they realign divisions and only have two...

Will need to recruit heavily, starting with a coach and an import. Could be first to go winless two consecutive years?

Gender, assume your talking men's and women's team because both are well short of level to compete.

HELLO JACK RABBIT

where are Chelsea playing next season?

Get a life red n blue gulls are back on track now all the muppets left

good to see ya all ready started destroyin ya new club bet ya only last one year there as well

Come on jack rabbit a.k.a. Rr,

Time to answer to your comments