North v Centrals for Grand final

Norwood v Sturt for 3rd spot

That was for U18 boys btw

From The Stats Room ? are you still around ? It's time for your annual posts.

Considering the last 2 years of disruption, missed interstate tournaments, and player movement, I think it would be hard to give a true guide to potential results. I agree with the original post that it will be an open field, and will just be great to see kids back playing under the pressure of a tournament.

Whats with having 14 year olds playing 9pm on a school night.

So they are underway -

IMO -

Mavs in state girls then West, Forestville
Norwood, Sturt and South with some points.

State Boys - going to be close.

appears to be the closest results for years - winners will not be known until the end of the last games.

Some clubs unfortunate to miss out - and a few clubs hoping for wildcard entries into Classics or U14 Club Championships.

Would be surprised if a few wildcards are there as some good teams have missed out.

U14 club champs will be great with womens world championships as the same time

Livestats?

a quick look at results - Looks like a big weekend for Norwood

gameday app has post game stats - no live stats

When was the last time Sturt failed to win a state champs title?

There are no Wildcard invitations to 14 Nationals. Classics will be at a premium with not running for 2 years

How many SA teams get selected to the classic and club champs?

Top 3 finishers to U14 club.

Tope 3 for Classics.

However I seem to recall the 4th teams have been able to get into Classics on occasions if a vacancy from another another area existed.

Hoping they may add some more teams for U14 clubs this year because of Womens World Champs - to make it more of a basketball event - and a better chance for junior players / people from all over the Nation a chance to see the World Champs. If you have more teams there = more people attending / involved with Womens World Champs.

Would be nice for Classics to add some more teams seeing we haven't had them for a few years - as a special event.

AGree,

Fingers crossed for 4th placed teams for classics.

But no chance for 14 National. There are already 24 teams in the competition which is too many, making it hard enough to manage. And adding teams will only create more blowouts than already occur.

All SA 4th placed teams have been invited.

Is great to have kids back playing tournaments again, and good to see that BSA has done a great job of getting this tournament back up and running, be thankful that they weren't cancelling State Champs games like they have others.

With the last State Champs running 2 years ago, it does provide an opportunity to compare the same age groups, just 2 years removed, with the u12 programs replacing the outgoing U18s. Not a benefit for Southern (boys) nor Forestville (girls) who won these age groups 2 years ago. But we need to remember, there has been a large shift of players in that time. I'm looking at you Forestville 16 Boys.

So here we go...

State Boys

Norwood 12 points
North 8 points
Woodville 7 points
South 6 points
Forestville 5 points
Sturt 4 points
Easter 1 point
Southern 1 point
West 0 points
Centrals 0 points

State Girls

West 10 pints
Norwood 8 points
Sturt 7 points
Forestville 6 points
Eastern 6 points
South 5 points
North 2 points
Woodville 0 points
Southern 0 points
Centrals 0 points

Overall State

Norwood 20 points
Forestville 11 points
South 11 points
Sturt 11 points
North 10 points
West 10 points
Eastern 7 points
Woodville 7 points
Southern 1 point
Centrals 0 points

Reserves Boys

Sturt 15 points
North 7 points
Centrals 6 points
West 5 points
Norwood 4 points
South 4 points
Woodville 3 points
Eastern 0 points
Forestville 0 points

Reserves Girls

Forestville 12 points
Norwood 7 points
Eastern 5 points
South 5 points
West 4 points
Centrals 3 points
North 3 points
Sturt 3 points
Southern 2 points
Woodville 0 points

Overall Reserves

Sturt 18 points
Forestville 12 points
Norwood 11 points
North 10 points
Centrals 9 points
South 9 points
West 9 points
Eastern 5 points
Woodville 3 points
Southern 2 points

Norwood - Average position 2.42

Another great result for Norwood showing that depth accross the program is important, and being well out in front of all other clubs. Their only real issue seems to be in their boys depth, with their D2 teams only making 1 final and missing out on top 4 in 2 others. Having the largest domestic compettion looks to be paying off as players starting to come through to their junior program, I would expect their might imporove in reserves going forwards and will be hard to beat in State Champs for the forseable future.

Forestville - Average position 4.08

On first observation, this looks to be an improvement for the Eagles, but take away their 16 boys recruits and this is perhaps a step backwards from 2 years ago. Their State grils went from being champs to equal 4th, a drop of 7 points from 13 to 6. While their only real imporvement was in reserves girls where they retained their title. However, their boys reserves failed to win a point. With their U10 girls program now struggling after years of success, its hard to see where Forestville get their points rfom in the coming years.

South - Average position 4.43

South might be the big improvers this year, finishing equal second in State Overall Club is a big achievement for the Panthers. Coming from 6.67 average overall finishing position to third best performing club. Their allstar u12 coaching duo certainly helped, but their u12 and u14 boys making finals is something to look forwards too for the club for the future. They shouldn't rest on their laurely as they have some work to do in D2, but I assume they might have had a celbration this time around.

Sturt - Average position 4.92

This would be the first time in quite a while that Sturt have failed to win a state champs title. And they dont have any group currently looking like doing so in the next few years (maybe their u10 boys group who are currently second). They did manage to win the reserve boys title handsomely with 3 reserve titles out of 4, but their reserve girls were equally bad as their reserves boys were good. Interesting to see that JWill has stepped down from his position, maybe changes are already in place. Will be interesting to see if 'Panther' pops up here with his opinion.

West - Average position 5.08

The Bearcats should be very pleased with the results of their girls program. Not only did they win the girls state trophy, they finished top 4 in all grades and won the 16 girls. They also managed a couple of good results in D2 for their girls. They wouldn't be as happy about their boys results. Whilst they managed a few reserves points, they didn't manage to trouble the scorers in State. It is probably a good example of what a few good coaches have done for their girls teams, now needing to be replicated with their boys teams.

North - Average position 5.58

Two years ago, North cleaned up in the reserves grades, but since then there has been somewhat of an exodus from their depth and costing them some potential finals positions. Tht said, they do look to have a good crop of U10 and U12 teams coming through, especially with the boys side. They do have alot of work with the girls, with only 1 teams making finals in state. That said, their u12 D2 girls finished in the reserve finals which is oftena good indicator for next years State finals position.

Eastern - Average Position 6.67

There has been a little step back in the results for the Mavs over the past 2 year. I would suggest that they might be the club most effected by disruptions due to covid, having their players often from far country reigons not around there is the potential they might have lost more than the usual numbers for other clubs. They do seem to have issues at U12 level but their girls made finals in both 14's and 16's which is a good indicator for the years to come. Lots of work to do in the boys with only one team making top 4 accross the 8 grades and they only finished 4th.

Centrals - Average Position 7.42

Not alot to cheer about for the Lions, not scoring a point in State shows a slide from previous results from over the last 10 years. Its is probably time to reset and start again. For the D2 teams, it was a little better, but still nothing to write home about considering they didnt even have teams in all D1 grades.

Woodville - Average position 7.58

Whilst it would be easy to suggest that this were a terrible result, we need to remember that 2 years ago, the Warriors only made 1 final, and that was in 18 boys reserves. This actually represents an increase from 9.125 2 years ago. After years of being pillaged from all sides, including Western Magic, it is pleasing to see the hard work paying off. The U14 Boys wining State Champs is an amazing result and shows that hard work is rewarded. There is stil issues in the girls program, which can hopefully be fix in the coming years. Getting U10 teams back to a reasonable level would be a good step.

Southern - Average position 8.92

Well this certainly is a fall from grace for Southern and should be a lesson for clubs on where money needs to be spent. Only 2 years ago their average overall result was 5.25, it has dropped through the floor this time around. Whilst their senior teams still are funded well, it seems that the loss of Nyberg has actually effected the clubs at junior level more than anyone could realise.Scoring 1 point only in State (Boys 16s) and 2 points in Reserves (16 girls) should have alarm bells ringing. If only the people who set this devistating fall from grace into motion were still there to accept the responsibility for this result

North continuing to talk a big game but not delivering. Not hard to see the issue.

Southern not recovered from Deano and his crew moving on.

Woodville will be interesting now that their JDO is gone. Expect them to go backwards.

Norwood's Domestic Program and money it generates has kept the Flames at a reasonable standard despite their issues and player losses. They also have a number of girls of elite level, many who unfortunately remain outside the BSA HP system.

In general all the other clubs are weaker, which led to an evening out of the competition. Sturt's fall from grace is just as alarming for them as Southerns, the difference being that they started from such a higher standing due to their brand and the poaching they did over the years.

Some clubs have one off talented groups but overall none of the 10 Clubs should be coming away from this Championship happy with the state of their Junior Programs as a whole.

Nightwing, how does the money created by Norwood's domestic program keep their juniors at a high level? Lower fees attractive to parents, do they pay their junior coaches, or is the money not really the advantage and it's simply an opportunity to identify talent in the domestic competition and bring them in District, or do their district players use the domestic comp as an extra practice/training session?

Sorry, I do believe their Domestic and Aussie Hoops programs bring in kids at U10s and U12s and I'm sure their records would prove that to be the case.

That said, big numbers doesn't mean you have success. A number of huge Victorian Associations struggle to compete at VC level. In Adelaide over the years clubs like South had big junior team numbers without the success. On the other hand some of the smaller clubs like West & Eastern girls, Centrals boys, have had lots of success at Div 1 junior level, despite having very small programs in comparison.

The money their programs generate mean they can employ multiple full time staff, invest in resources etc.

Sturt had quite few teams win games in the minor rounds but fail in the semi's which affected their end results. Woodville will lose the mercenary players who gave them a title as they move to yet another club.

North lost their best players to other clubs from 14's and 16's boys group which has affected their depth and quality, and it showed.

Let's not forget that the 16 boys state coach was allowed by BSA to poach a state player without penalty and still didn't make finals.

Armageddon,

BSA can't actually stop the transfer. All they can do is fine the club.

Nightwing,

You could easily point to all clubs with regards to poaching, Sturt just seemed to do it better than other clubs.

Thanks Sturt boy.

That's exactly what I said isn't it? BSA didn't fine them.

And you know that how?

And you know that how?

It's basketball in Adelaide. It's not hard to find this stuff out if you know the right people.

Maybe those people just want to tell you what they think you want to hear.

You do know that there is such a things a fake news...right???

But you're wrong. I know, for a fact, there was no fine.

Unless you are the treasurer of Sturt you don't know that for a fact. It is only an opinion.

I have no stake whatsoever in this, but I gotta say it's fun watching Really!!! constantly on the back foot playing defence here.

All but one player in that Sturt team was there the year before. The one that isn't moved club for personal reasons nothing to do with poaching. Forrestville on the other hand not sure there is one player there that wasn’t at another club.

Any insight if BSA looking to introduce the rule to prevent player movement at the end of this season. Was talk of a club only being able to take two players who have played Div 1 or 2 for another club in the previous season.

interesting scenario which I always wondered about was - if a team makes U14 club champs (held after the main season) - could a good player from a team that didn't make it transfer (because it's between seasons) to play ? I have been told that is not allowed but if the player was going to transfer anyway why would you restrict the opportunity ? Of course the other side of it is stacking a team just for the tourney. Not good if any players that did the hard yards getting bumped. However if a team qualified with 8 or 9 players - the transfers could make up the 10,11 or 12th player (don't know if it's 10 or 12 in club championships)