Would rate Tas above Adelaide at the moment - respected in the community, play hard, clear that they have solid foundations in place and what they stand for, and that they are improving.

Not sure what direction Adelaide is headed.

You're probably not affording all that much generosity when it comes to leeway.

I’m merely a fan, I don’t have insight to the internal going ons of the club, so I try not to speculate or apportion blame to particular people. No doubt there are people on here far more privy, but again, knowing how internal views and conflicts happen as a reality of office life and politics, just because someone is privy doesn’t mean they reflect a fair view. It’s not uncommon for toxic people to proclaim that someone else is toxic etc.

So long point being, I’ve placed my criticisms based on roster decisions that we have seen for yourselves and the way the team plays on court.

For what it is worth, Smyth on 7news the other day said something along the lines of the owner having put a lot of money, time and passion in but was ill-advised by a couple of people he trusted.

I would agree with that. Adelaide haven’t put budget teams on the floor for a while now. Nothing about this years team looks budget - consider the expense of Humphries, DJ, McCarron. If you’re paying some of the highest pay packets for Aussies in the NBL, you’re not going budget.

Have they missed the mark on imports? Yeah they’ve not been as successful with that recently, perhaps apart from Randle. Wouldn’t say they’ve necessarily gone "cheap", maybe they just got it wrong?

I don’t think it’s a reasonable to criticise that they haven’t been spending enough to compete.

The move to AEC has nothing to do with the winning percentage.

Adelaide have their third coach in as many years, one of their most expensive players injured last two seasons, had the whole culture issue thing a few years ago, and lost MVP caliber players along the way in Creek and Sobey.

I’d say those are the main reasons for lack of winning opposed to moving their home ground a suburb over.

You can’t just expect success - all clubs would, particularly if you’re Perth or Sydney or Melbourne or now SEM, Hawks with Goorj.

So what makes Adelaide special enough to take on that group?

Is it the revolving door of coaches and players?
Is it the culture issues that probably aren’t fixed yet?
Is it the unfortunate run of injuries?
Is it the lack of balance and missing the mark on imports?

As a starting point, at least we should have the same coach next year, a better group culture wise, hopefully less of a revolving door and more time to get chemistry. There’s a strong core group of Aussies - maybe a few import tweaks and they can be on a good path moving forward.

I certainly wouldn’t advocate for an over reaction that will push Adelaide back to square one - like blowing up the roster or ownership etc.

From an AEC perspective, apparently for members the sight lines are crap - I’ve only ever been in the General Admission section which has always been far better than Adelaide Arena “gold” or “silver” seats they used to sell.

Obviously for members that has caused discontent, but they’ve sought to package additional “issues” with AEC like lack of atmosphere as if it’s not to do with lack of success and conveniently ignoring it was crap at Adelaide Arena a long time before they ever moved.

The crowd is different, that atmosphere is pure nostalgia from about 15 years ago now.

Summer is too competitive of an entertainment industry - the 36ers cult following has largely evaporated and won’t be returning regardless of what happens. If they were to move back, the question is - will people want to go there to pay $x and watch the 36ers?

The “city” is a locational draw card, more prominent as a place to go than a suburban stadium, and has capacity to draw in those post-work or “good night out in town” people. Obviously a Riverbank Arena proposition sells that far better like Adelaide Oval does.

To avoid being a niche/cult following, they really need to stay in those markets. It’s not the AFL where you’re content with the amount of followers willing to go to AAMI stadium. Even then, Adelaide Oval brought in a broader market of persons and particularly helped Port Adelaide in the process.

For what it’s worth, it looks like there’s more sponsors and investment in the 36ers than they have ever had, or at least in a long time (even a genuine jersey sponsor).

Aslong as the owner doesn’t go “stuff it I’ve wasted enough of my money”, to me, it looks like the ambition and willingness to spend is there, and a lot of right moves have been made that shouldn’t be overshadowed or completely negated by some moves that were perhaps not so good.

Off-season stability, a couple of tweaks and I think 36ers have a bright future despite a few stumbles here and there.

Cue Zodiac with his Creek rant.

"The move to AEC has nothing to do with the winning percentage."

I will disagree with that

1. Consistently training at the venue would make a difference

2. The atmosphere would make it so come backs were more likely possible and give us a better chance in close games. The AEC atmosphere always feels like a pre-season game

Is GK serious about success? Or is just interested in maintaining a team in the city and getting a few bums on seats? The man is not poor, so why are we continually getting dud "cheap end" imports? If the imports are no good we rarely upgrade early enough in the seasons.

What is the direction the 36ers want to go in?

The man is not poor, so why are we continually getting dud "cheap end" imports? If the imports are no good we rarely upgrade early enough in the seasons.

"especially after the Creek disaster"

Right on cue.

Everyone you just have to wait another week to hear the Creek rant again.

"Smyth was seen sitting next to GK at the SEM game which sounds about right the second JVG is out the door he senses his opportunity."

Is this like your "they fired Humphries" conspiracy theory?

Enjoyed Phil's comment on the news that effectively said GK has been taken advantage of by people he trusted.

If the 36ers recruiting falls to Phil then god help them. His track record isn't strong in that department, highlighted by the Ingles and Newley misses.

I dont think its all doom and gloom roster wise, if they simply get the imports right next season it will go along way to being successful again.

Also if Humphries sticks around and can stay healthy that would be a huge help. I think Cooks is the example as to why we should stick with him, Cooks was in a similar situation a year ago.

I think signing Casper Ware or a import PG of similar nature going forward is a step in the right direction too.

I see McCarron similar to Gibson when he was a 36er, we had the most success when he was playing next to a guy like Ervin, Wilson, Randle ( scoring PGs)

Imagine if we had the same Aussies, Humphries stayed healthy and we had got the imports right and signed the equivalent of the Kings imports

We would have

Humphries
Martin
McCarron
Clark
Adams

With Dech and Bairstow as the main guys off the bench

I would be happy to let Johnson go to help facilitate this level of import financially.

At the very least we need a high level Import PG and Fwd next season, even if the 3rd import needs to be a touch cheaper.

If we can simply get some of these decisions right now JVG is gone, then its not as bad as people think imo.

Getting a guy like Casper Ware is a step in the right direction and shows the 36ers are actually having some brains post JVG

Only response I'll be making to you firstly you noticed that everyone in that thread was agreeing with me (except LB, you can have him) that ALL of the problems stem from that Creek incident. It's unheard of in pro basketball absolutely unforgivable to try and legally stop a player from reaching his dream of playing in the NBA.

What do you think the ramifications might be in regards to attracting future talent? We've been seeing the snowball effect of that decision play out for four years now, we're still directionless and still haven't made the playoffs since.

I have no idea what your 'they fired Humphries' statement is but leave me out your games thanks.

ALL of the problems stem from that Creek incident.

What do you think the ramifications might be in regards to attracting future talent?

we're still directionless

still haven't made the playoffs since

So the head coach revolving door is caused by the Creek error in judgement?

Sub optimal import choices such as Moore, Griffin, Sloan, Crocker, Withers and Hannahs...these were all because no other import could stand the stench that is the Sixers front office?

Initially yes, Creek, Joey & Childress were close both Creek & Childress vowed to never play under GK again and Joey clearly soured on him after that. The last couple of years of Joey's time coaching the club it was obvious he didn't really want to be there

That spun off to the fk up of the failed hire of Caporn

If that's not all incompetence meeting desperation I don't know what is.

Aside from Moore they were all JVG specials the only reason we ever got JVG 2.0 here in Adelaide was because of the Creek debacle.

Giddey was a NS

Just stop it. You feign ignorance and naivety every step of the way just for the sake of arguing over and over again. You and I both know you weren't born yesterday.

The shit hit the fan with the Creek debacle and as I already said and won't be saying again in response to that GK then hired JVG and you could see the logic in it hiring someone who should know how to run a basketball club. It's been a dog's breakfast ever since.

btw Joey still had four years to go on his contract after the Creek thing no NBL coach is walking away from a guaranteed four years left.

Zodiac, you're being ridiculous.

To suggest sacking a coach two years after Creek's departure has nothing to do with Creek's departure is not naïveté, it's common sense.

The comments about AEC not being any good are interesting to me. I've only started following the team a little closer this season, but I think the AEC is great for basketball. I look forward to returning to the Powerhouse to see what everyone is talking about but to me a random building out of the city that is very rundown isn't really where I would want my team playing.

I'd be keen to hear what the sight line issues are, I haven't had the chance to sit in the lower bowl so I can't speak on that but I'm imagining that's what people are talking about? Because the upper bowl is pretty bloody good, plus you're always only meters from a bar, food and a toilet.

For the atmosphere at AEC, an example would be this Sunday just gone being bad. It was dead and flat, and I wasn't surprised to see it was a low crowd. I think that's what happens though when every possession it felt like for the first half we'd dribble the ball up the court and it felt like there was almost no chance that we would score a basket. It was just like passing to each other at the top of the perimeter then getting a shot off before the clock expired. However, the United game a few weeks back when we won, it was amazing. I walked out of the stadium buzzing because it was awesome.

As far as on court, I want to wait and see how we go now without JVG around. The two imports have been a bit of a failure this year, but I think you could cop Withers if the team was overall better. Humphries plays and you have a good PG import and the team wins a lot more games. We have been stiff with covid over the past few months and the team lost a lot of it's chance to gain some chemistry in the early stages of the season when they barely practiced together for like 6 weeks.

I wonder where this team would be if say Ware played the whole season along with Humphries.
The one thing that shits me is this import chatter has been going on for like 3-4 weeks now. Now it's too late, you would have hoped to see an announcement today so that Ware can play this weekend, but now it'll be another week later! Silly. Get it done. Fans will come watch good players.

" I will disagree with that

1. Consistently training at the venue would make a difference

2. The atmosphere would make it so come backs were more likely possible and give us a better chance in close games. The AEC atmosphere always feels like a pre-season game"

Most teams don't play where they train, the atmosphere wasn’t any better the years prior to AEC, it was shot to pieces well before AEC or the GK era for that matter.

And even if they did play back at AA, it wouldn’t have moved the ticker that much, if at all - you’re being extremely hopeful if you think it would have delivered anything further than a negligible amount of 36ers additional wins with whatever magical atmosphere you believe existed.

Romanticised nostalgia of the Clipsal Powerhouse days is not what Adelaide Arena was like in the few years prior to the move, nor would it magically return if they returned to AA. If anything, the crowd and atmosphere might even become more dire - don’t assume the casual fan and “family day out” is as attracted to a suburban venue for bball during a now far more competitive summer of entertainment. Equally don’t think the old cult following will suddenly return to the true hope of bball in SA.

Get that pragmatism hat on!

Just stop it. You feign ignorance and naivety every step of the way just for the sake of arguing over and over again. You and I both know you weren't born yesterday.

The shit hit the fan with the Creek debacle and as I already said and won't be saying again in response to that GK then hired JVG and you could see the logic in it hiring someone who should know how to run a basketball club. It's been a dog's breakfast ever since.

btw Joey still had four years to go on his contract after the Creek thing no NBL coach is walking away from a guaranteed four years left.

"I dont think its all doom and gloom roster wise, if they simply get the imports right next season it will go along way to being successful again."

Absolutely - they can achieve a lot with the right imports in the right spots.

“Also if Humphries sticks around and can stay healthy that would be a huge help. I think Cooks is the example as to why we should stick with him, Cooks was in a similar situation a year ago.”

Again agree completely - I know people will harp on about the risk but geez I'd love to see Humphries next season at 36ers and hopefully with enough time between now and next season to get healthy and fit.

“Isee McCarron similar to Gibson when he was a 36er, we had the most success when he was playing next to a guy like Ervin, Wilson, Randle ( scoring PGs)”

110% - as I’ve discussed previously, Adelaide has lacked that Aussie captain anchor like Gibson, and an import that provides a 1-2 punch. Gibson/Ervin was a good combo, Maher/Farley etc. Possibly Ware/McCarron does that if Ware isn’t getting too old.

“Imagine if we had the same Aussies, Humphries stayed healthy and we had got the imports right and signed the equivalent of the Kings imports...”

Bingo bango

Your proposed Roster would perhaps be too expensive for Adelaide but it hits the right notes about balance and punch.

And I’d be game to put DJs money towards imports & a slightly younger Bairstow that no doubt will command some good $ next season. And if DJ isn’t engaged or want to play for Adelaide anymore, then Bairstow works nicely.

Love your work as usual Jonno

Why is the Creek thing still an argument?

It happened, have to move on. They stuffed it on Ingles and Newley, and let enough crap happen that made Sobey go from committed to bailing.

There are lots of regrettable situations, but there's a limit to attributing individual events to a never ending chain reaction.

Adelaide has made poor decisions through many different ownerships, but there’s also been some good ones including through current ownership.

Plenty of great decisions being made and continue to be made...targeting quality player like ware publicly. Josh giddey success haven't in adelaide. Stand tall sixrrs ....success. campy barstool career resurrection... CJ will be a great coach lije his playing career a winner.. DJ remains loyal and pivotal offensive weapon..
MM was highly sort after and he is long term sixer locked and sealed and will deliver...
Ice Hump potentially best big Aussie in the game.. just needs good injury run.. AEC is fantastic progressive venue...it's a transitional to something grander and it's not the Honey Dome or arena ice barn ....
Determined owner here fir long haul.....
So get with the positives dudes.. see beyond the foul line ....whole open court let's press on sixers .. full court ahead .. let no rebound for cherry pickers...kind regard HE Who cares Hermann.. my words are my intellectual liability and property...

Oh my. The fake poor English is wearing very thin

Hermann.. my words are my intellectual liability and property...

Hermann———mmm special
Always brightens my day and makes me feel good about myself

Ahhhh Crackers you maketh my day..... you ray of sunbeam
Positivity spreads .... pumping fir weekend - good things be coming out way sixers believers ... sweet feeling dusty Hannah's going off ... major untick... time to flex .. numbers are gunna be good very good ...
Got my seat ...

It's pretty well known that if GK moves on, Creek would consider a return.

That's nonsense

I'm hearing from quite a number of suppliers that the bills are starting to stack up. Sounds like the poor attendances this season / impulsive decisions are starting to hurt.

The only place Creek is going is the NBA, he isn't going back to Adelaide.

I find this quite surprising considering re: bills stacking up, the amount of merch they appear to move. Crowds have been good this year until the game last Sunday. Crowds will only get worse from here if they don't make a move with an import though, Sunday was borderline unwatchable offense.

This thread is deflating to read.

I've been a 6’ers fan for 37 yrs, since I was 10 yrs old.

I’ll share with you my observations.

1. Where is the "local*" hero who you look forward to watching every game and every season? Not necessarily because they are the best on court, but because they epitomise dedication to team and club...

* local meaning they want to be here in Adelaide season after season.

Whether you the following list or or have others on it, is there a player like this in the current roster… add names… there are plenty
- Mark Davis
- Rupert Sapwell
- Brett Maher
- David Cooper
- Dusty Rychart
- Mitch Creek

If you’re a Perth fan, it’s Jesse Wagstaff. Illawarra, it’s Saville…

You know the players I mean.

2. Can you afford to go to the games and take your kids?

Clubs need members and supporters, and it’s hard to identify what you can’t access because of costs.

3. Who’s playing / coaching this year?

I’d prefer to finish lowly ranked for two or three seasons with a foundation of players building towards being a nucleus of talent committed to the club.

Revolving rosters seems to me like chasing after fools gold.

4. Could this be the start of something beautiful?

Bruton, McCarron, Sotto and Johnson on multi year deals. Can we hope that short term angst won’t hijack a strategic direction for the club?

I don’t have answers… just a bunch of questions and a hope that the club can become something with which I identify. I don’t at the moment and that saddens me.

They need to get the front office right as a priority,
JVG and other things mentioned were obviously disasters, and the front office needs to be fixed first.
Comms have been poor also. Everything we hear these days is from other sources.
Is IH in Sydney, is that because his rehab is best there?
is Bear ok, how is CJ doing, whats the latest on the import...
Also wondering which players are contracted beyond this season, does anyone know?

KET

"Romanticised nostalgia of the Clipsal Powerhouse days is not what Adelaide Arena was like in the few years prior to the move,"

You keep acting like it was a terrible atmosphere in the last few years. Here are the results

2016/17 Finished first but had a bad finals run. Either way the place was rocking

2017-18 Finished second. Lost in grand final. Place was rocking

2018-19 Team finished 5th just missing out on finals. Jacob Riley was enjoyable to watch. Froling rookie season was good. Regardless of just missing the finals the atmosphere was still better than any of the 3 years at AEC so far.

"nor would it magically return if they returned to AA"

Or those that have hated the move to AEC or have since not renewed their tickets could come back.

One of the biggest reasons why there has been poor crowds/atmosphere is because of when they schedule the games due to AEC having other events to cater for. AA would have a better opportunity to get a day and timeslot making it more appealing to the casual fan and families. I am sure children have enjoyed looking at the back of someone's head at AEC but them actually seeing the game would be beneficial.

The scheduling of games has nothing to do with the AEC for the most part lol, what has even been on at the AEC recently? The league and broadcaster decide the schedule. We aren't prime time viewing so we don’t get too many prime time games

Also wondering which players are contracted beyond this season, does anyone know?

Yea, I personally would keep basically all of our Aussies and CJ Bruton as coach, and try and focus on getting atleast 2 top notch imports.

I also generally like the approach that Joey and Phil took in most of the time having atleast one of the imports who has played well in the NBL before too, reduces the potential errors if you have a somewhat known quantity, than always getting completely new guys too.

As I said earlier if we basically just add imports of the quality of cotton/law or the kings trio to our Aussies and we are instantly in the playoff mix.

Seems like it was a long time ago now, but when Adelaide was title town, the 6ers appeared to have that strong Adelaide/SA feel:

1. Multiple local players on the roster, even if most were warming the bench.

2. 6ers played a SA style game - attacking and skilful.

3. Even had some local coaches.

5. High quality imports (Mee, Brooks, Farley).

4. There was a strong sense of the local basketball community and the 6ers did seem to have a strong connection.

Credit to GK, he's putting in his money and effort. Next step is to get get the right replacement for JVG, and start putting together a squad that South Aussies can get behind?

I'm only new and don't know how to quote posts, but I'm replying to the post above me. One SA player that we seemed to have no interest in is that bloke that scored 15 on us from Illawarra a few weeks ago, he went to Stanford in the US I think. He did a post game interview and someone asked him what it was like to beat his hometown team, and he replied 'I love it, I hate their guts'. Just thought it was kind of an interesting insight into maybe JVG and those in charge not really having any interest in a solid SA boy?

Also wondering which players are contracted beyond this season, does anyone know?

One SA player that we seemed to have no interest in is that bloke that scored 15 on us from Illawarra a few weeks ago, he went to Stanford in the US I think.

Lot of sense talking here.. got to get the loving sixers feeling back...not really a lotto that's got to improve except nailing couple gun imports.. excitement equals anus like plural on seats ... winning helps but resrltoring pride in product... firstly we are sixers needs to be ingranited into hearts and soul..

Interesting to hear that response from White. From memory didn't Hawks do a bit of recruitment just after he transferred from Stanford, so can imagine he wasn't targeted as much by Sixers as if he was a returnee free agent. Wonder what they did to elicit such a strong response?

I can't remember anything specific with White but the Sixers under numerous regimes have been notorious for getting local SA recruits offside: Bradtke, Newley, Ingles, Madgen etc

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Yeah that's kind of what I'm getting at, it seems this has continued to go on even after our previous errors. Even if the Hawks did some recruitment while he was in the US, why did we not do that? He's an SA product. Obviously he's not a star of the competition but I just find it weird to not have guys like that with us.

Hermann you are right, winning does put bums on seats. Our crowds were pretty solid all year until now where they will drop off. How's the scheduling of having a home game on at the same time as the Showdown. Jeez.

To be fair to the Sixers, White is a Jantke boy, who also was a Joey boy.

Connecting the dots.

Secondly White didn't exactly leave Sturt for the US under the best of terms. There's some reasons not to sign White.

Bradtke was so long ago, remind me how they got him offside, I have forgotten.

Are teams failures if they don't get 'locals' to play or stay with the team?

If so the Wildcats are the biggest bunch of losers, unable to get talent like Gliddon and Worthington.

And Tasmania....the JackJumpers were so sh!te Hugh Greenwood left basketball altogether. *





* Sarc

SixersFan, I think you just like arguing with me.

As a starting point, don't peddle embarrassing nonsense like the stadium choice costs Adelaide wins.

Amongst the culture wars, revolving door of players, three coaches in three seasons, the lack of a balanced side - all things when pointed out you even took major issue with as relentlessly bagging the 36ers - but you decide the big issue of the day for the 36ers is the stadium?

Thats the big ticket item in your mind? That’s the thing you’re content to go fire your criticism at?
The fuck?

You’re lucky the non-Adelaide fans didn’t romp in the many reasons why our team loses games, and none of them will be infrastructure based.

"One of the biggest reasons why there has been poor crowds/atmosphere is because of when they schedule the games due to AEC having other events to cater for."

I know the poster followed up with the obvious reason. Have you accepted that maybe, you’re just starting to make a few things up to argue?

I’m not sure it’s AECs fault that the NBL needs 2 Sunday arvo games for 10Peach.

“You keep acting like it was a terrible atmosphere in the last few years. Here are the results”

You don’t need to waste time telling people on here year to year results - most people on here follow the basketball, don’t you know?

But I don’t really understand your point.

You’re saying atmosphere comes from success, and then criticise AEC for atmosphere as infrastructure-based during a period where they are not in any way successful.

What do you actually expect me to do with that?

You need to wait for 36ers to not be shit before coming up with that comparison. That’s the obvious counter-argument, so obvious, you really needn’t have made your argument to begin with.

But then poor AEC crowds is probably also infra based and not that little virus thing, or those little success issues that we aren’t supposed to mention. Right?

Where’s the “acting” in all this? I think you’re acting out, perhaps.

“ I am sure children have enjoyed looking at the back of someone's head at AEC but them actually seeing the game would be beneficial.”

If you’re going to bitch about the view, you need to qualify that every time that you’re bitching, you’re bitching about it as a member in the lower tier. Most people - particularly children - are upper tier where the viewing is substantially better than AA.

Your particular view is a little worse in AEC than AA, therefore everything is a complete disaster.

Sod the better GA view, the comfier seats, the better location, the air conditioning.

I grew up going to the Powerhouse, grew up playing there as well, enjoyed both member and non-member seats. And always considered it as one of the best basketball venues going around.

Don’t get me wrong, I, like any good pissant-Adelaidean, don’t very much like change either and will get unnecessarily and disproportionately outraged if required.

But still, whilst Adelaidean at heart, there’s an objective reality that can’t be denied no matter how hard you try.

“ Or those that have hated the move to AEC or have since not renewed their tickets could come back.”

No, that’s ridiculous - moving a few minutes down the road is not that offensive of a move, and Adelaide’s “cult-peak-Adelaide-pissant” base was never that substantial to begin with and would be nail in the coffin dead by now.

It’s like you’re producing the bluster and world-revolves-around-me attitude of a minor political party that then blames everything but themselves when their bold claims turn out to be quite obviously bullshit and is reflected when nobody ends up voting for them.

AEC isn’t the reason for bad atmosphere, it’s not the reason for bad crowds, it’s not the reason for 36ers losing.

Others argued back with very reasonable responses that you completely ignored because you’ve got a chip on ya shoulder and it’s clearer than whatever shitty lower-tier view you must have at the AEC.

Surprise being back at the old stadium tonight didnt solve all our issues.

The issue is the roster, mostly the import selections we havent had the right imports since 2018 ish, and have been losing ever since as a result

If we had imports like the Wildcats or Kings have we would win a lot more, be more exciting to watch and create a better atmosphere regardless of the stadium.

This current team has no one who can take over a game and no one that fans will pay to coome and watch and the lack of atmosphere and crowds are a direct result of that.

Hopefully getting rid of JVG is a step in the right direction with this issue and we can actually get decent imports next season.

I think they have sort of been talking to the right people, id be ok with Ware, Hopson and a 3rd import PF (ideally someone like Law or Oliver) and then along with a hopefully healthy Humphries we should be more exciting to watch, win more, then the crowds and atmosphere will grow.

Boy do I miss the old days when we had imports like Rose, Mee, Brooks, Farley (along with SA GOAT Maher) even more recently Ervin, Wilson, Randle, Shorter, Childress

They just make such a big impact on the team, and unfortunately at both JVGs last 2 stops he pretty never got the imports right, especially when picking fresh faces, the one he did sort of got right and made the playoffs with was Randle who was NBL proven. But JVG was always too busy trying to be too clever and reinvent the wheel to prove he is more a genius than everyone else. Hopefully now he is gone, we can go back to getting quality imports.

I don't believe Randle played finals with Sydney.

"...you need to qualify that every time that you're bitching, you’re bitching about it as a member in the lower tier. Most people - particularly children - are upper tier where the viewing is substantially better than AA."

I strongly disagree with that KET. Before I was a member, I sat above the concourse at the Adelaide Arena several times and as long as you weren't behind the TV camera, there was plenty of good viewing, it was closer than the Ent Cent equivalent and you had the crowd making a big racket down below with the foot stomping and cheering.

I get what they are trying to do by moving to the Ent Cent and I've been trying to support it in the hope that it translates into enough money for better teams and imports, but honestly I just don't enjoy it as much.

Even though we never really looked like winning tonight, I enjoyed the game more than most I've seen in the last 3 years. It was great seeing Ousmane Dieng and Besson up close - their skill level and balance on the ball was just enjoyable to watch, even if they were carving up my team!

I can see the ref flinch when the crowd screams at him for missing an obvious call! I can see the frustration on DJ's face when he's lost his man for the 15th time and our guards can't find an angle to get him the ball! I can hear it when NZ's coaches are contradicting each other or giving stupid instructions to their players who aren't listening anyway! :-D

So yes, there are reasons to move to a bigger stadium, but it is honestly very sad to think that we may soon lose forever what has been the best pure basketball watching experience in the nation for the last 30 years.

I also strongly disagree with KET, especially as he refers to general admission at 36ers Arena, which during the Kelly era was moved to behind the basket east end, not above the concourse.

My wife and I sat in said section for years, and when the move to AEC happened, we had to give up our seats as my wife couldn't see the court.

And despite tonight's small crowd, the atmosphere was way better than anything seen at AEC last few years.

I'll support the club as much as I can where ever it is, and fair enough we all have our opinions so all good. But I struggle to see, how anyone can look at the sightlines at AEC v Arena and think the AEC comes out on top like to like. Below concourse the Arena is way better. Behind basket Arena is way better. I would also argue that GA in the Kelly ownership years is way better at the Arena. That leaves the above concourse section, but what made our crowds so great is how close we were to the action. We lose that at AEC.

" you had the crowd making a big racket down below with the foot stomping and cheering."

I mean, I don't think anyone disagrees that AA has better natural atmosphere from the wooden floors. I just think it’s ridiculous to believe the move to the Ent Centre made for bad crowds and 36ers losing games.

I went to plenty of shit atmosphere, low crowd losing games at AA.

FWIW, I found being at the very very back of the Ent centre felt closer and visually better than the back concourse at AA.

Usually I’d pay the extra and get a bit closer but get a god awful diagonal view. Either way, you’d feel screwed for the extortionate price you pay, whilst Ent centre is a better view more comfortable experience even with the cheapest ticket.

For those who have been to other arenas like Syd Ent, Qudos and JCA, AEC compares favourably.

You're complaining about your member view, and then going "oh and GA is better too", how often are you going to GA if you’re a member?

Seems like a lot of pissed off members going “I’m angry that its worse for me therefore it’s worse for everyone “.

I probably go to about 6 games with non-member tickets every year for the last 15 years, it’s like chalk and cheese to me.

Dunkman, Randle played for the kings in Boguts first year when they made the playoffs,

Casper Ware replaced him in Boguts 2nd year when the kings played in the grand final

"You're complaining about your member view, and then going "oh and GA is better too", how often are you going to GA if you're a member?

Seems like a lot of pissed off members going "I’m angry that its worse for me therefore it’s worse for everyone “."

Is this directed at me KET? I explained in my post and in previous posts, my member view for ten years was in the general admin area, eastern side behind the basket as Kelly changed general admin. I had to move my season tickets to the other side of the aisle so he could make it general admin.

It's you who has been claiming that the GA section at AEC is better....how? At AEC it's above concourse on some weird angle. At 36ers arena you could literally sit front row. There's no comparison.

"At 36ers arena you could literally sit front row."

For GA? What?

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" It's you who has been claiming that the GA section at AEC is better....how?"

You gotta read someone's post before replying to em! You’re talking like I hadn’t answered that already multiple times.

It’d be nice if people that actually sit in the GA put their opinions in, instead of members complaining about members seats which isn’t subject to the discussion.

It’s like all the members get a traumatic flashback to members day where they find they are in some crappy lower tier with a flat angle that feels far from the court, and then the spiral into an “everything is worse” view that kicks in, even though the upper concourse has a sharper gradient design which means you’re on top of the court for a closer view - similar to Marvel Stadium opposed to Football park, and you don’t get a partially restricted diagonal view which happens at a lot of (non members) seats at AA, and the seats are more comfy, and when they play during hot summer you get proper airconditioning instead of feeling like you will faint. Is that enough of a descriptor for you DC?

I think perhaps Ski 61 reflects the kind of person and view of someone that isn’t a member - and probably the type of person and market demographic the 36ers will rely on heavily to ensure they achieve crowds of 8k not 4K as they progress in growth.

As much as that might offend the good old membership base.

Now, back to the actual argument, do any of you care to back up the claim about the AEC resulting in the 36ers losing games?

Nobody has decided to touch that one - I wonder why?

Mate, as stated the owner changed GA to Eastern side below the concourse. About the 5th time I've said that.

If you bought GA tickets in the last couple of seasons at 36ers Arena and sat above the concourse that was your choice to sit there, but you could have just walked on down to below concourse and sat in the GA area there.

So I'm not interested in hearing why some irrelevant section above the concourse is worse than at AEC. That wasn't general admin by the end of the 36ers Arena run. East side below the concourse was general admin. You keep mentioning general admin and can't even get the right part of the stadium.

As for above the concourse, I prefer the 36ers Arena too for the majority of sight lines. However since you keep banging on about general admin, I really fail to see how being able to get a sit anywhere from front row to about ten rows back is worse than what is served up at the AEC, diagonal corners, way back from the court.

" Mate, as stated the owner changed GA to Eastern side below the concourse. About the 5th time I've said that."

Point of order - 1) you haven't posted here 5 times; 2) if you’re going to get angry at “repeating yourself”, maybe don’t blatantly ask others to do so; 3) GA was upper concourse, Gold was below diagonal with partially restricted view (the one I would often buy), anything with a reasonable view was more expensive than $40/60.

Why are you trying to tell someone who actually had to buy the tickets how it operated?

How often did you ever actually outside of members seats?

I feel like you’re going to peddle “just spend more or be a member” but then you’d be missing the major point, and I’d easily be able to deliver “ok, go buy courtside seats instead of bitching”.

“ I really fail to see how being able to get a sit anywhere from front row to about ten rows back is worse than what is served up at the AEC, diagonal corners, way back from the court.”

Because you can’t get a non restricted view ten rows back at AA for $40, and as there are so few seats diagonally because of the design of the AEC, I’ve never had to be in a diagonal view at AEC (or partially restricted).

Maybe you can sit with me in the plebbisphere of GA one day and I’ll show you?

DC, are you confusing non-members as GA?
Ie are you considering gold, platinum as GA?

lol at your mega rant KET

Fact playing on the court you train on and a better atmosphere will lead to more chance of winning.

I mentioned the successful last 3 seasons because you said this "Romanticised nostalgia of the Clipsal Powerhouse days is not what Adelaide Arena was like in the few years prior to the move" (Not that you really can comment since you go to a handful of games and then some how pass judgement). So your statement was false as the atmosphere was still great during those years but don't let that get in the way of your great story.

"You need to wait for 36ers to not be shit before coming up with that comparison."

or perhaps play a game at AA during the same year that the Sixers are shit perhaps? lol So not only was it an "Away" game with low crowd, a poor game by the Sixers and another loss, the people that attended said it was a lot better. However what would they know, they should be just happy they are getting a more comfortable seat and Air Conditioning... Who would go to a purposely built basketball stadium for a better view and atmosphere.

There have also been worse years where the atmosphere have been better then the years at AEC.

"Your particular view is a little worse in AEC than AA"

All members view are a lot worse.

"No, that's ridiculous - moving a few minutes down the road is not that offensive of a move"

Could move one minute down the road and if the spectators view and atmosphere is shit then they aren't going to go to the game or renew season tickets.

"AEC isn’t the reason for bad atmosphere"

It is. Crowds probably have been the same if not bigger then AA but the atmosphere is that of a pre-season game most of the time regardless of a big win or an exciting finish.

Fact is until a new stadium is built AA is the better stadium to view the game and enjoy the atmosphere.

" All members view are a lot worse."

Who cares? That's not what I’m arguing. I’ve gone to pains to make that point.

“ Fact playing on the court you train on and a better atmosphere will lead to more chance of winning.”

That’s a pathetic low point blaming Adelaide’s lack of success on stadia.
Perth were successful at challenge and at RAC.
Adelaide’s troubles have nothing to do with the AEC.

Single-handedly the weakest excuse ever made on Hoops.

“ Fact is until a new stadium is built AA is the better stadium to view the game and enjoy the atmosphere.”

Who is arbiter of this fact?

You are just going to ignore for example someone like Ski above? No response?

Get out of your bubble world - not everyone is a member, it’s not AECs fault that the 36ers suck, it’s not AECs fault that covid hit the world.

Get over your little chip on the shoulder that has you arced up because I dared criticise the 36ers roster and balance that has them losing at home to the bottom side and third to last on the ladder.

They shouldn’t be immune to “bagging” you big sook.

Also look at their away record, they are no good no matter where they play.

What's your excuse, they must play all games on a Saturday night at AA?

KET you are W-R-O-N-G. This is becoming infuriating to repeat. Multiple members, including myself, had to move from our seats of ten plus years because the new ownership made our seats general admission. I used to sit second row from the court, this become general admission. Our friends who sat front row had their seats made general admission too. If you want to throw out "why are you trying to tell someone who had to buy tickets how it operated" I would just throw back "why are you telling someone who had to move their seats as they become GA where the GA seats are?"

"Gold was below diagonal with partially restricted view (the one I would often buy), anything with a reasonable view was more expensive than $40/60"

You've admitted here that you didn't buy general admission seats yourself.

This is my point - GA at 36ers Arena is better than GA at AEC. The fact you didn't know where the GA seats at 36ers Arena doesn't change that point.

" KET you are W-R-O-N-G. This is becoming infuriating to repeat. Multiple members, including myself, had to move from our seats of ten plus years because the new ownership made our seats general admissioN"

Are you telling me for a $30/40 General Admission, no seat reserved I could have rocked up into your members seat instead of paying $50/60 for a reserve seat that had me on a diagonal?

That shit didn't show up on the ticket website that’s for sure. To get those kind of seats you’d have to select platinum and pay $80ish on the ticket website.

I think you’re aggravated at being moved for people who could pay about double the amount that GA is.

“ You've admitted here that you didn't buy general admission seats yourself.

This is my point - GA at 36ers Arena is better than GA at AEC. The fact you didn't know where the GA seats at 36ers Arena doesn't change that point.”

No, you’re trying to do a catch-you moment where there is none. Have been GA, Silver, Gold etc. at AA, do you think as a nonmember I sat in one seat every occasion?

At AEC I can pay less and go GA over gold because the view is sufficient. At AA I have to pay more and the view still isn’t ideal. Which is the point when we get over the members bitching which we already went through after members day.

That’s my take, from someone whom isn’t a member and didn’t manage to magically pay less than gold and snap up your old member seats.

If we ever return to AA and I’m able to pay GA and grab your old member seats, I’ll make sure to do so! What seats were yours?

I’ll take a note of it for the inevitable return :)

KET, you are wrong, and instead of admitting you are wrong, you're now telling us the Ticketmaster site didn't work properly for you. Come on mate. Didn't work properly for you but did for all those people that I saw sit in the general admin section.

It's a sign of character to admit you were wrong, and concede that sitting front row at 36ers Arena as a GA is better than sitting on a diagonal above concourse at AEC. End of story.

"At AEC I can pay less and go GA over gold because the view is sufficient. At AA I have to pay more and the view still isn't ideal. Which is the point when we get over the members bitching which we already went through after members day"

No, at 36ers Arena you could buy a cheap GA seat and literally sit front row if you got there early enough. Way better than the diagonal GA at AEC.

I only started engaging you as I was confused how anyone could say the sightlines are better at AEC. You bought them up as being better in GA. I was still confused, but quickly found out you didn't even know where the GA seats at 36ers Arena are. I informed you. You kept trying to correct me, even though you had the incorrect information. You're now somewhat open to in a round about way acknowledging the GA seats were below concourse, but are now throwing out that the website didn't work, random ticket prices much higher than they were for GA etc.

Here's the question, if I was to charge a member of the public for their first 36ers game the same price for two tickets at different stadiums, would they be more excited to be front row Eastern side at 36ers Arena or above concourse diagonal at AEC?

DC, you are wrong, and instead of admitting you are wrong, you're now telling us that gold, silver reserved seating didn't exist and that anything non-members is General Admission.

It’s a sign of character to admit that you are wrong and to admit that your old members seats isn’t the same ticket and cost as the very farthest seat of the Arena.

" I only started engaging you as I was confused how anyone could say the sightlines are better at AEC."

You would be confused, I assume, if you haven’t bought GA tickets before. It would be confusing to understand the difference, I assume, if you always sit in the same seat as a member.

“ You're now somewhat open to in a round about way acknowledging the GA seats were below concourse, but are now throwing out that the website didn't work, random ticket prices much higher than they were for GA etc.”

Just how out of touch are you?

Are you completely oblivious that there are different ticket groups? There was no cart Blanche aside from members. There was GA, Silver, Gold etc.

Nobody said the website didn’t work, I presume it worked exactly as intended where I could decide whether I wanted to pay less for further away GA, more for closer but diagonal, even more for centre court if seats were available.

At AA, I would pay for diagonal view as a balance between price and view.

At AEC I can get view and price for GA.

“ would they be more excited to be front row Eastern side at 36ers Arena or above concourse diagonal at AEC?”

I’ve never sat diagonal on AEC, wouldn’t know?

LOL KET you are out of your mind. Where did I say Silver, Gold tickets etc didn't exist at 36ers Arena?

This is just becoming funny to see you twist yourself further around in circles trying to justify a incorrect position.

All I said was GA was Eastern side, behind the basket. And that is a better view that GA at AEC where you claimed the opposite. That's it.

I agree with Double Clutch. KET you are out of your mind and you twist everything to suit your incorrect arguments.

A great example is your made up rant that I said the stadium is the reason for the poor year. Let me know where I said that? In fact my first post to you I didn't even mention this years current record. My point was, if you bothered to understand it, is that situation the same (Same team, same injuries) but different stadium (Better atmosphere/where they train) that the team would have a better chance to win. That is just a fact.

"" would they be more excited to be front row Eastern side at 36ers Arena or above concourse diagonal at AEC?"

I've never sat diagonal on AEC, wouldn’t know?"

You don't even want to answer a question correctly because you know you are wrong.

KET, I'm very confused as to how you could sit in a diagonal area of AA and claim it is worse than the alternative at Ent Cent, which is sitting beyond the end of the court, but front on, so that you have to constantly turn your neck to watch the action all game, not to mention crane your head forward to see past the crowd to your side?

One of the main benefits of a designed for basketball stadium is that the seating hugs the court (hence the diagonal facing seats), instead of stretching well beyond the end of it, like the Ent Cent, because its too big and is not designed for viewing a basketball court in the centre.

Also, when I was a member at AA, my members seats WERE IN THE CORNER and I had a great view. Literally the only problem I had was when the benches were on that side and opposing teams would all stand up in key moments so I couldn't see one corner at the far end sometimes!

Like I said before, I sat in many different seats as a non-member over the nearly 20 years years before 2010, including in the cheap seats above the concourse and I never had a bad view once.

Seeing what its like to watch basketball in a stadium not designed for basketball (Melbourne Arena is the same) makes me really appreciate what a bunch of fucking legends the people who made Adelaide Arena happen really were! Salute to them, if they are still alive!

Would love it if we still had a basketball community with the leadership and capital to build a new stadium, but I'm guessing probably not.

Is there a reason members being in shit seats is okay? I don't understand why we're discounting that as irrelevant.

"you're now telling us that gold, silver reserved seating didn't exist and that anything non-members is General Admission."

Came back to laugh at this today. Bit disappointed that there is no response from KET, was keen to see what he would claim I've said next.

Short of finding and posting a seating chart from TSA to prove the obvious, I'm not sure what’s gained from furthering this, you’re a member clearly raging at your treatment by 36ers.

Members telling people sitting at nonmembers views telling them what the nonmembers view is and calling them liars is a level of evangelical stubbornness that can’t be battled.

By example, having sat many times in GA in AEC the following is not what I experienced whatsoever:

" but front on, so that you have to constantly turn your neck to watch the action all game, not to mention crane your head forward to see past the crowd to your side?"

At no point would that ever be how I describe the view I’ve had. I’ve never had to crane my head - it has always been a good line of sight for me.

You’re pissed at the 36ers, you feel screwed - nothing I can do changes that.

As someone whom hasn’t been a member for about 15 years, and goes to about 10 36ers games a year every year, about 6 in Adelaide each year, id say I’m pretty fucking familiar with non-member seat views and the ticket options available, and white hot rage by members at however screwed they got doesn’t change that.

I’m sorry you got a shitty lower tier view, doesn’t change that I find it a better view and experience from a GA perspective at AEC rather than AA in my not limited experience.

If you think the viewing experience at AEC is better than Findon you are on crack.

AEC I have had to sit sideways in the seat just to see the court. The kids cant see and end up doing a standing kneeling thing on the seats, which only last so long before they want to leave.

Yes the seats themselves are more comfortable but at the cost of being uncomfortable all game they aren't worth it.

Those issues didn't exist at Findon. The only bad seats at Findon are ones obscured by the basket or the TV cameras. The stadium was purpose built to ensure great views of the court no matter where you sat. AEC is a rectangular peg in a square hole.

KET, I'm laughing at you mate, for not knowing where the GA seats at 36ers Arena were, claiming you do and then putting words in my mouth.

The GA seats were Eastern side, below concourse. Once again you could sit front row if you wanted to.

I have already looked for a map from the 18-19 season, but ticketmaster have wiped them. I didn't think finding a map would achieve anything was looking forward to your claims I photoshopped the map.

Here you go KET, while the seat maps have been scrubbed, you can go on this link and read members commenting how their seats have been turned to general admin, in rows A to C.

I know you will dismiss it, but interesting to see how you manage to dismiss it and claim multiple people are wrong.

https://www.facebook.com/Adelaide36ers/posts/-membership-renewal-current-members-its-time-to-renew-your-membership-for-the-20/10156702378743570/