The biggest difference is that Simmons is a 'biff', and he inherited that from his father. Bad attitude and there is no comparison to Ingles....

I love ingles but c'mon on now....."Gold medal ceremony" is a bit delusional , he might as well retire right now, cos we ain't never winning the gold...

"I love ingles but c'mon on now....."Gold medal ceremony" is a bit delusional , he might as well retire right now, cos we ain't never winning the gold..."

Yeah, people should aim for second and third best, and mediocrity. lol. There's a saying, you have to see it to be it, and he sees it, so good on him.

Oh, and by the way, how long have you held this assertion? We were within one point of making the gold medal game in 2019, and we probably would have beaten Argentina in that game if we got through.

Why is it so unthinkable we could win gold? What if another team takes out USA? What if USA just arent any good next Olympics? What if we actually beat them?

Australia has been one of the best teams in the world for the past 6 years. We have shown all the glimpses of a team that "could" upset the world. Why wouldn't Joe have belief in that?

I think Simmons enjoys playing basketball, he just struggles outside of his comfort zone, with fear of failure and taking public risks.

@ME umm Because we simply don't have the talent or the personnel to win gold? As simple as that. That's straight up arrogance from ingles to put out a statement like that with absolute certainly knowing full well where other teams stand with regards to upcoming talent...our best center is jock landale. Go figure.

"What if usa just aren't any good in the next olympics" - sure...the country that has the best and the biggest talent pool, infite resources, and has literally owned the damn sport since it's inception will suddenly become "not good enough" in the next oly...you sound just as delusional as him . And btw you do realise that we have it much easier compared to european teams with regards to qualifying right? Put us in europe and we'd struggle to even make it out of the qualifiers let alone medal in major tournaments..

Besides with all due respect to ingles , he isn't even our best player as good as he's been, take out ingles and we still have plenty of creators ready to take his place at a moments notice, take out mills and we're lamb for slaughter...

""What if usa just aren't any good in the next olympics" - sure...the country that has the best and the biggest talent pool, infite resources, and has literally owned the damn sport since it's inception will suddenly become "not good enough" in the next oly.."


This would be a fine comment to make if 2004 and 2019 didn't happen.

"our best center is jock landale. Go figure."

Our best center would be a healthy Aron Baynes. And that's beside the point, teams have medalled (nay, won gold) without having an outstanding center. Who was Argenintina's outstanding center?

And put what Jock may or may not be doing in the NBA to one side, are you going to sit there and tell me what he did at the Olympics was something to sneeze at?


"@ME umm Because we simply don't have the talent or the personnel to win gold? As simple as that. That's straight up arrogance from ingles to put out a statement like that with absolute certainly knowing full well where other teams stand with regards to upcoming talent...our best center is jock landale. Go figure."

Upcoming talent vs. an established core which also boasts upcoming talent. Joe might be shooting for the stars a bit with the 'gold' comment but there's nothing arrogant about believing one of the best teams of the past decade could win a competition. I woujldn't think twice if a Spanish or French player said it. What's with this tall poppy bullshit?

Baynes is sure as hell not our best center in the "long term" and jock got his ass handed out to him in the semis against usa which you conveniently seem to ignore lol and we did not face france or spain either, got an very easy draw. Again cherrrypicking stuff to suit your narratives...

2004 and 2019 are a sample size of 2 , my dear naive sweet little child..and besides the usa barely even care about the oly and world cup anymore. They have enough trophies and gold medals for the rest of the world to polish.

"jock got his ass handed out to him in the semis against usa "

Jock had 11 points and 6 rebounds. Hardly got destroyed out there

Lmao, so you think scoring points is the only thing that matters, esp for a center...hahaha. go watch cartoons dude.

"2004 and 2019 are a sample size of 2 , my dear naive sweet little child..and besides the usa barely even care about the oly and world cup anymore. They have enough trophies and gold medals for the rest of the world to polish."


HAHAHA oh okay, so we've gone from 'they always win' to 'they barely even care'.... lol. But theyre DEFINITELY going to send out a superteam next time to destroy us!

Now who is cherry picking to suit narratives?


"Lmao, so you think scoring points is the only thing that matters, esp for a center...hahaha. go watch cartoons dude."

Being a condescending fuckwit doesnt make you the voice of reason on this board. No one is saying Boomers will win gold, just saying Ingles has every right to make that his goal while people like you, with nothing going for them, can go around cutting people down.

" but they're definitely gonna send out a send out a superteam to destroy us"- nope, for that to happen , they'd have to first consider us worthy. A cheetah shouldn't be expected to have to race a dog to prove that it's faster, and even assuming they indeed send out a suoerteam, it'll prolly be to take care of either of spain or france, certainly not australia.


"No one is saying the boomers will win gold............"- okay so what happens if we don't win gold in the 2024 oly, does he continue playing for all of eternity until he wins one or does he backtrack and say " mY sTaTeMeNt wAs tAkEn oUt oF cOnTeXt bY tHe mEdIa " and take the easy copout ?? Cos isn't that what his statement literally implies? That'll he only think of retirement after the 2024 gold medal ceremony?? Looks like you need to go back to school and read reading comprehension. No one's asking him not to dream, but there's a thin line of difference between dreaming and being delusional.

"Being a condescending fuckwit doesn't make you a voice of reason on this board"- it looks like you aren't used to people not telling you exactly what you want to hear. Facts don't care about feelings, special snowflake.

Well looks you like you need to go school with ME then...

Starved for attention?

Confirmed, anon likes to go around assuming stuff about complete strangers on the internet and is desperate for attention...

And likewise i'm pretty sure anon was abandoned by his dad when he was a kid and is trying to make up for the lack of attention on internet forums..

Anon #290 Thank you so much for that, finally some common sense prevails....

"okay so what happens if we don't win gold in the 2024 oly, does he continue playing for all of eternity until he wins one or does he backtrack and say " mY sTaTeMeNt wAs tAkEn oUt oF cOnTeXt bY tHe mEdIa " and take the easy copout ?"

Only a moron like yourself would take Joe's off-hand comment as some sort of set-in-stone promise as to the outcome of an olympics set in 2 years time.

"So the US all of sudden not being good come 2024 is based off of what exactly?"

People are jumping to conclusions. No one even said they wouldn't be. Just saying it's not absolutely carved in stone. They've not sent their top teams out and in doing so, have left the door open to other teams. France beat them once, and very nearly did so again. Australia had a 15 point lead on them. Just saying, it's not a fate accompli that they win gold or that they send a great team. Doesn't mean they absolutely wont. Most likely scenario is they run through undefeated. We get that.

"Their worst finish at an Olympics since nba players were allowed is 3rd and that's hardly 'not being any good'. We damn near acted like cancer was cured when we won bronze because we came short of doing so many times. Whereas to the US, there’s a reason why they consider that a disappointment."

Yeah... we get that. I don't think anyone is saying that Australia is a better basketball nation than the USA. The only thing being said, or even inferred is that, in the right situation, with the right teams, in the right tournament where conditions are a certain way, it is not entirely unforeseaable that Australia could win the gold medal in men's basketball. That doesn't mean it is the most likely scenario, or even vaguely likely. But if we look at the 2019 world cup as an example, Australia was incredibly close to being in that situation. Why would it be so unthinkable that something like that might happen again and have a slightly different result? It's not.

"Winning 7 golds and 1 bronze hardly means they have some large history of not being any good. So until they do, treat them as the favourites."

Yes, they're the favourites. Stevie Wonder and Ray Charles will tell you that.

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Anyway, the question is whether Joe is "delusional" for his comments. He's not. And even if he were, he's a competitor. He has every right to believe and say that he can beat the best. If he doesn't believe that, there's no point being on a basketball court.

From Narendra;
"Cos isn't that what his statement literally implies? That'll he only think of retirement after the 2024 gold medal ceremony?"

Yes! He will retire after the 2024 gold medal ceremony, who ever is the gold medal winner!

Sorry Narendra,
"Looks like you (may) need to go back to school and read reading comprehension," too!

" he has every right to say and believe he can beat the best , if he doesnt believe that he has no right to be on a basketball court " - You can certainly be an elite sportsman and still be realistic about your abilities and prospects...sorry but you're objectively wrong on all counts here and you lost this debate long time back but you don't want to admit the same cos of your massively overinflated ego.

" only a moron like yourself........olympics set in 2 years time" The only "morons" here are 1) Inges made a stupid statement with absolute certainty about an event that hasn't even happened yet and 2) you - his triggered fanboy who can't accept any criticism of his idol and keeps going on the defensive..

@robt a bit rich coming from the outback idiot who couldn't make out the difference between turkey the country and turkey the dish on a basketball forum...

Narendra has definitely never been an elite sportsperson, and therefore cannot comprehend their psychological makeup and competitive nature, but then again, the way they are going with their trolling maybe they have because this is some of the best 'dumb shot' I’ve seen on here.

"Yes! He will retire after the 2024 gold medal ceremony, who ever is the gold medal winner!"

That's the way I read it as well.

@perthworld's cousin - why do i need to be an elite athlete to call out a stupidly arrogant statement made by one? Politicians get criticised all the damn time for what they say by citizens, so why should sportsmen get special treatement? And besides he will get trolled universally if he doesn't back it up with his actions now, which is precisely why you should refrain from being cocky, esp in this day and age of social media where people can dig up stuff from your past and use it against you.

Trust me, if you knew the mindset, you'd know he doesn’t care if he’s wrong. He’d probably get a laugh out of it. Being able to laugh at yourself is a good sign of humility. You don’t do what he’s done without having some confidence to back yourself. You’re acting like he’s made some controversial remark that’ll ruin his life. If we all subscribed to the Jingles Method, we probably wouldn’t be losers sitting around on an Internet forum on a Sunday night.

@ME, ofcourse you read it that way too, cos you're the living embodiment of stupid. Congrats on announcing it to the entire forum. I should've known when you claimed that "landale has been doing great things in the nba"

Waits for someone to break down the 2024 Aus vs USA match up...

@perthworld's cousin - lol, not playing basketball for a living certainly doesnt make you a loser in life. At the end of the day, athletes are entertainers..they don't really contribute much to society apart from taxes they pay and other donations for causes. Besides if ingles wasn't 6'9, he prolly wouldn't have become a basketball player either...

Sorry if it seems I'm just parroting Isaac here but he’s had the most common sense answer in regard to the actual original post of Simmons likes basketball but has a severe image problem of himself to the point where I wouldn’t blame someone for thinking he’s an oversized 15 year old.

Joe just loves to play no matter what, whereas Ben it appears has been convinced of if he’s going to play he has to be star or one of the stars.

If I recall correctly wasn’t there some comment about his old man pulling him from teams as a kid when the coach wouldn’t let him play the point? Which granted could be not true but if we fast forward to today, the bloke is convinced that it’s fine being a PG who won’t shoot but also just not be aggressive when it comes to scoring (mainly attacking the basket let alone shooting outside shots).

Not to mention I think it was Jackie McMullen who said something like 'Simmons is afraid of missing so that's why he doesn’t shoot’ (this was after speaking to him and members of the 76ers. Plus just look at his career it’s like if he’s not able to just drive to the basket then offensively he’ll kinda just linger in the dunker spot and nothing really else when he’s without the ball

Nothing is confirmed yet regd simmons' trade., it's all speculation at this point..apparently kd wants harden to stay in brooklyn..if kyrie stops being an anti vaxxer nutjob and gets the jab or if the new york mayor lifts the mandate ( both highly unlikely to happen), then the trade talks would be off as quickly as they started..

And if anon#320 didn't have anonymity, he prolly wouldn't have the balls to talk to me. Atleast i'm using my real name and not hiding behind anonymity like a coward.

Would rather have small dick energy over pussy energy...

Hi Narendra, my name is John. Do I have the balls?

How am i supposed to know about your anatomy john? Assuming that's even your real name....

Well this discussion quickly broke down. My interpretation of Joe's comments were whichever team is on the podium, and I'll do everything I can to make it Australia. On Simmons I don't know the guy and am trying not to judge him, but there is a possibility the life lessons he was taught growing up have not served him well in the NBA.

Musk (321)

Having his Dad threaten to pull him out of teams if he didn't play point guard is a bit extreme.

BUT tall-for-age juniors usually get pigeonholed as the bigs in their team, and get less development in ball handling and other guard skills, thereby being less well-rounded players. Not sure how he managed to not develop a confident outside shot though, so his junior development wasn’t as well-rounded as it could have been.

A PF-sized point guard with all the skills of a PG is a rare and valuable commodity. This was his best chance of a successful NBA career, so trying to develop him this way as a junior was a great idea. He just needed to develop confidence as an outside shooter.

Wow... I know I've been away a long time, but people still wonder why there aren't more regular posters when threads deteriorate like this?

1005 agree with Tankman... Someone really read too much into Joe's comments other than using that as motivation to get Australia the best result possible by aiming for the best result possible... I don't get how, especially after Patty and the GVO movement this last Olympics, people can't grasp that...

As for Simmons, he's just a spoiled brat that was highly talented from a young age and never had to work for something as he was always put in the best possible situations to succeed on a personal level, not really a team level... He went places where he could personally shine and then move on without having to work hard...

Compare him to players like Delly, Patty, Joe and Baynes. All of them didn't have smoke blown up them, they've had to work their arses off to get where they are/have been, and it's paid off...

The faults in his character have been exposed over the years, it's not just his fault, as he can choose to change and work on it, but he's a product of his environment just as much... Whoever has been advising him the last few years I hope has cashed in while they can...

Nerenda is:
A) a troll,
B) just trying to save face after misinterpreting a standard ambitious statement by an athlete, or
C) an example of the Dunning-Kruger effect

It's obvious to anyone with half a brain that Ingles statement is aspirational. But it's also inspirational to his teammates and the broader basketball community that Australia isn't done with just bronze.

As for the contrast with Simmons? It couldn't be starker. But Simmons is unique, not just in comparison to Ingles, but most Australians who are in or were in the NBA. Whether that be Longley, Bogut or Mills. Simmons is unAustralian and his citizenship should be renounced. I say that as a New Zealander.

You're just going to recruit him for the Tall Blacks.

No way. We'll keep the grumpy bastard, role him out for big events, claim him as one of ours when he plays/behaves well and disown him otherwise.

@rjd

a standard ambitious statement would've been something along the lines of " we'll try our best to get our hands on that elusive gold" and not " i'll think of retirement only after the god medal ceremony", that statement reeks of unfounded arrogance.

A) rdj does not understand the difference between ambition and arrogance and needs tohave a dictionary thrown at his ignorant ass and
B) he's an imbecile masquerading as intelligent.

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