Transparent
Two years ago

Small clubs ~ Adelaide Metro

Curious as to what the criteria is for entry to the SA District competition

Modbury Basketball Club commenced in juniors last year but now have been removed by BSA

A reliable source says another large domestic club were not allowed to enter even though they would start with a dozen teams and are ready to spread its wings to higher levels

- United Basketball Club have two junior teams only but are accepted by BSA
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Western Magic are ok with 10 junior teams
- SA Church are in with a similar number of teams

These clubs are small compared to larger NblOne clubs but you have to start somewhere

Does anyone know why some smaller clubs are allowed but others are not?

Melbourne is so far ahead in terms of the peak body supporting the growth of clubs compared to SA but that's my opinion

What do others think
Is it time for alternative options like Modbury Basketball for SA families ?



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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Haha good luck with responses

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Money.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Had seen that Modbury had been denied which was puzzling when others had continued.
As long as these clubs remain viable in terms of numbers and are financial, then they are better off than some district club's. Woodvilles girl program should have seen them killed off.
These smaller club's should be able to compete and ultimately if they can grow, should be given the opportunity to compete higher. But established club's don't want that because they don't want competition, they'd rather had 10 more teams in their club than support a newcomer.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

BSA District is a very closed shop and the reason why the sport in this state is stagnant.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

I'm not going to enter this debate because it's like banging your head against a wall, other than to say there are some very naive opinions in this thread.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

^ Agree 100%.

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clubs  
Two years ago

From the BSA website -
The Basketball South Australia Council represents members groups at General Meetings of Basketball South Australia (including the AGM)

The Council comprises representatives from the following voting member groups; Basketball Adelaide, SA Country Basketball, SA Church Basketball Association & Recreation Centres (not applicable at this current time) as well as non-voting membership groups. The Member groups elect Councillors to represent them prior to the Annual General Meeting each year.

The Basketball SA Council's main roles include:

Appointment of Independent Commissioners
Amend the Constitution (by Special Resolution)
Consider Annual Report and accounts

Comment - The ten clubs of Basketball Adelaide do not want any more clubs in Junior comps in Adelaide. Western Magic & United have been around for some time and can compete but not in Div1. BSA manages the Comps but BAdel have input via the competitions committee and have a key role in determining who is on the Commission

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

And your point is?

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Shouldn't be any new representative clubs unless there is an association behind it. Ie multiple clubs, with people actually trying out.
If we are talking domestic clubs joining an association there should be no limit.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Yes. Magic should join one of the domestic competitions which surround them.

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Transparent  
Two years ago

I guess that's my question.
What’s the policy & procedures?

Anon above who says no rep clubs should be added without having an association behind it

That would rule out Magic & United

SA Church have a 70 year old association & are current

I don’t think you need to have an association since most of the Nbl one clubs don’t even have this

Regarding the ten clubs from Basketball Adelaide not wanting any extras, that should not be up to them
Their focus should be on providing a good club that people will be attracted to & they should not have a monopoly surely

Modbury are building nicely so why not promote competition??

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Why should BSA allow Country and Church to run competitions unhindered but meddle in District basketball. If I were The 10 NBL1 clubs I would be pushing for that. Other clubs can then set up their competition and compete head on.

BTW Church's first foray into Div1 at district was a loss greater than 100 points

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Transparent  
Two years ago

Because country & church run its own domestic associations

Nothing stopping Adelaide clubs doing the same & Norwood & Southern do just that

This is about clubs competing in the metro district comps

Also this is about juniors & SA Church are not in division 1 so not sure what team has lost by 100 points

Centrals juniors teams get these results at times

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Transparent  
Two years ago

Also Modbury have been very competitive and would continue to get better imho

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

If nothing else Transparent, your points are good for a laugh.
I'm sorry your club didn't make it as a district team, maybe they can enter one of the domestic comps instead. Good luck champ.

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Transparent  
Two years ago

Spoken like a true club person who is scared to have a reduction in player numbers because you have no chop

The reality is that players change clubs all the time because some of the major clubs struggle

So my question remains what is the policy to be accepted by BSA as a district club ?

It's a fair question

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anon  
Two years ago

Hey transparent, don't know what the rules are but would suggest you would need to provide the same as what all district clubs are required. A NBL1 mens and womens team, A div 1&2 in Under 14’s through to U18’s ( or 3 year plan to get there) would be a good start. Otherwise there would be a rather uneven playing field, especially in regards to fee/financial structure I would assume as to what the clubs expenditures would be and the corresponding income required. Others maybe have other ideas??

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Transparent  
Two years ago

Thanks Anon

That's a sensible thought process but up until now smaller clubs have been allowed in Lower divisions only (div 3 & below)

Understanding that to compete in div 1 would be similar to the larger clubs in Melbourne who play in the highest divisions where as many of the smaller clubs compete only in lower divisions but they still allow the competition & provide for promotion / relegation

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Just to clarify Central & Eastern (in theory) are District arms of local assocations.

Forestville play in South and Southern's Domestic League.
North, Norwood, Sturt, West & Woodville all run or jointly run domestic comps of varying size.

so that's all 10.

The history of basketball in this state gives 9 of these 10 Clubs a fair claim to preferential treatment and the 10th continues to serve its purpose and offer something to a community that would otherwise go without.

There's no reason the people of the Modbury area can't play for a current District Club. (Modbury is 8km from both Lightsview & the Arc). It's only 15km from St Clair!

United and Church have long been involved in BSA competitions as seniors only clubs and expanding into juniors is a natural progression.

Comparing SA to Vic is pointless. Everything is different here. History of the game is different here. The stakeholders are different. The management structure of the sport from top to bottom is different.

Lastly anyone who knows anything about Vic junior basketball knows the reality of massive growth in club numbers and the forced growth of Championship VJBL has greatly hindered the quality and spread the elite kids thin. Their Nationals successes have waivered in line with this change. (pre-COVID).

In SA our girls comps are very uneven with 2-3 teams generally well above the others in Division 1. Yet our Girls State teams have success. Our boys competitions are far more even, and deeper, yet our Boys State teams have struggled for over a decade, maybe 2.

Bigger is not always better.

My guess is the location being within the recruitment area of at least 2 current clubs would be reason enough for BSA to pull the club from the District Competition as its a community that already has representation.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

181 well said, and clear on facts that Transparent won't like or accept

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Comparing SA to Vic is pointless. Everything is different here. History of the game is different here. The stakeholders are different. The management structure of the sport from top to bottom is different.

To convert this to english for the initiated. We are resistant to change, we do not won't change and we never will change. We are stuck in the past and that is where we will stay.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

#205 go troll elsewhere and don't misrepresent me. Clearly that's not at all what I said. Try arguing with facts like I have instead of gaslighting.

Those Domestic comps are new. Clubs are diverifying. The District comp is changing, and yes it needs more changes. But they have to be for a purpose and not just for the sake of it, or to keep one team of parents/players happy.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

From memory, and I stand to be corrected, most were around the div 4 standard. If the kids and families are happy then why should they have to join another district club and be swallowed up. If a kid or three show potential and want to have opportunities to play higher, then they can move. Exactly the same as Magic kids.
From what I can see, Modbury seem to have a solid base of domestic teams and kids probably just want to play with their mates in an organised competition. Shouldn't have to go to a mega club like north and be split up.
BSA opened Pandora's Box by allowing them to compete last season, why suddenly drop them unless they were a mess financially and structurally. In that case a Southerns recent history should have seen them gone.
As for fielding competitive teams in Div 1, Woodville and Central's also have not met that criteria. They both don't even have teams in 16 1s again.
Like small business, it's only when small club's try and expand too soon, make false promises and are delusional in terms of performance, that problems occur.
The season is new, so let Modbury back in asap.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

"and kids probably just want to play with their mates in an organised competition."

This is exactly why they are a Domestic Team.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Modbury were playing in the North Adelaide Domestic comp then left because it was so poorly run

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Modbury were in the Norwood comp

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