Happens a lot I'm thinking...

Shambles. They don't even know how to use their Website.

Rookies in control of the State. Clubs need to step up and demand better.

But they're gutless. The downward spiral will continue.

Truth hurts BSA employee?

Basketball SA are definitely going downhill,not same anymore with idiots who have no idea how to plan things ,mark my word it's gonna get worse .

There is no way the Clubs agreed to combined Div 1&2 comp with 3 teams on BYE and zero chance of everyone playing each other before grading is over. How does that even work? BSA wouldn't even understand how bad they are, that's part of the problem. Commission even more clueless. This is nowhere near the worst of it either.

It seems all people in SA do is whinge and complain. First the Sixers home arena, now their state association. Is there anything worth a damn there or is it Hell on Earth?

Come here and find out

You'll find yourself as confused as we are

From what I understand from the 'new competitions 2022' facebook post that I read, the grading season is only supposed to be juniors(Under 18 and below) so it shouldn't apply to YL and Senior Men.

I think the U21 situation is just them being like the op said

On drugs.

The only thing I could think of is that majority nominated Div 1. But on that list, unless there's been a lot of movement, there's clearly a lot of div 2. Magic, SA Church, West 2, South 2, Forestville 2, Woodville 2 and South 2.
Just looks like BSA being lazy or club's being delusional.
If only they had a summer season to sort out placements instead of wasting months on it. That was in a sarcastic tone btw.

A couple of those smaller clubs may have pushed for this, but the member clubs did not want this.

The last minute announcement of it too throws things into disarray.

What happens in a case of an uneven draw? First two weeks let's say the 4th best team in division 1 has to forfeit due to covid protocols. Then the next 3 weeks they play who would be 1st, 2nd and 3rd strongest team in division 1. They lose by 3, 2 and 1 points. They are now 0 and 5, and well on track to being in division 2 for winter where they will either destroy everyone, or all their talented players leave for another club. Remember a lot of youth league guys also coach, meaning the junior coaching ranks get decimated too.

I would think with the upcoming season of rolling forfeits due to covid, this would be the worst possible year to attempt this.

You know what would've been cool:

Delay season until covid is calm. There will be a huge amount of forfeits in the first 3 rounds

I don't understand why they are insisting on continuing the season with 5000+ cases a day when they voided multiple rounds when there was less than 50 per day. BSA logic

What channel do you watch news, 5000 cases a day?

Just let BSA run their shit show see how much stuff ups this year and past as well.

Get rid of the whinging social teams on week nights replace them with District games ,too many players Complaining week after week when I bring my kids to Distract games during week ,it's appalling,all uic is just sitting behind counter not even monitoring games .

#159 made about as much sense as the CEO talking about basketball. NONE

For years, Clubs and BSA have taken the path of self preservation. Choosing to employee and promote those that don't have the skills or knowledge to hide the fact those responsible for leading the sport are incapable.

So many good people have giving up on the sport in SA and walked away. It will continue for years as the current BSA and Club leaderships aren't up to it, and continue to make stupid selfish decisions.

How would you possibly make a fair grading in 9 rounds (some of them will have lots of forfeits) for 20 teams?

BSA: hur hur ball go boing

Honestly have never seen anything like this in any sport. You have an Undefeated Div 1 North Adelaide team playing against a Division 3/4 Western Magic team. How is that fair on both teams?

I would agree we should adjust however it is unlikely cases are trending down below 2000 due to testing numbers going from 19k per day to 9-10k. The less you test, the less you find. I think people have finally started to live with it.

Correct, sadly.

Reported positive cases here, like everywhere in the world, have decreased alongside testing numbers. The real positive cases are impossible to know but most experts in the field agree that they are way higher than the numbers reported.

5,000+ is quite likely.

Great points Isaac.

The problem isn't the cases, it's the current isolation rules. With all kids on a team considered close contacts when one case present the amount of forfeits are going to be massive.

20 team pools for a 9 round grading season in juniors hahahahahaha.

Compeition manager needs to be sacked asap if he thinks this is how to run a comp.

also learn how to use a gameday website!

I wonder how many of these teams nominated for div 2? If 15 or so had gone for div 1 there may be an argument to combine, but there would be no harm in having those 15 in div 1 to be graded, those struggling to be relegated.
There really should be a statement given regarding the decision to do this. Might not make sense but at least be transparent.

Teams will pull in the first few rounds due to uncertainties with covid or close contact. How would fairly grade teams that forfeit?

How would grading phased work? Will teams be able to go up one division at the maximum?

Well, it happened. Multiple 100 point thrashings, absolutely a disgrace. Some of those teams wouldn't even make finals in div 3.

Watch as teams ask to be moved. Or players quit forcing teams to be withdrawn.

Well done BSA.

Yep, if you are one of those teams who copped a 100 point drubbing last night, you're looking at another 9 weeks of pain. Do players really want to pay fees and show up to another 9 weeks of that?

All you are achieving is helping players decide to leave their sport, or their club. It's going to make the smaller clubs even smaller.

Which if true Sixersfan illustrates the problem even more. You can't make a even draw. So some poor team might miss out on division 1 due to a strength of schedule issue.

There's so many reprecussions for member clubs if they lose a division 1 side.

I can't imagine some of the club's wanting to nominate 2 teams in Div 1, apart from North and Sturt, maybe another that believed they had the depth. Magic and Church wouldn't have you suspect. I believe in the past there has been room for players to move within same division for first few weeks, but what if the better team needs players later, do they have to bring up div 3?
Should have had 2 comps and done relegation after 5 weeks if needed.
But despite the it's, buts and maybes,this is still ridiculous. One kid had 54, outscoring west2 by himself. A few others had individuals outscoring opponents total. A north kid had 10 threes.

There were 12 teams which nominated for Div1 which has been behind this crazy arrangement. Church nominated for Div 1 and Sturt nominated 2 teams. Both those teams were thrashed. Change it back NOW!!!

Sturt2 was 30 but at least against a div 1 team in Woodville.
Church couldn't win in div 1 even if Jesus made a comeback at small forward.

From memory Woodville were not too good in Div1 last year

Woodville just missed finals, so mid table. Not too great but not too bad. Not sure if any of 18 premiers will come into team.

Western and church are both div 3 teams at very most. west2 would be a below average div 2 but they ran into a probably reserves level 21s team

I wouldn't even wait until round 5 to be honest

Basketball SA does a very good job of listening to every club and taking in their feedback and suggestions then doing exactly what everyone didn't ask for

Very interesting management

What Truth said has been true of competitions forever. Since YL started this happened. When U20s existed this happened.

It's not new, and has nothing to do with this issue. Just another pro BSA post from Truth.

Just a thought. Why don't they limit div 1 to just 1 team per club like juniors.
If you're in a div 2 team beating the hell out of everyone there, want to play higher or even try and crack a weaker club's senior program, transfer.
If club's like Magic and Church want div 2, let them. But if they're smashed for the first 5 weeks and realise they're not up to it, they go to div 3 without any points on ladder.

Just a thought. Clubs and BSA should employ the absolute best person with experience and knowledge to do the job they're given well. Instead of the easiest or least experienced that won't have an opinion and just do whatever some parent/president/board/ceo says, even though they don't have a clue.

Employing the absolute best people for the job means spending $$$. It's the problem with community sport, they pay is peanuts.

What truth said is unavoidable

Elite U21 players will inevitably play reserves/nbl1 at clubs that don't have many elite older players leaving their u21 talent pool to be second rate against clubs that have elite older players that are willing to commit to summer seasons


What you can avoid is putting div 1 u21s against teams that should be in div 3/4, doesn't take a huge amount of braincells to do that

It's not just the pay in community sport, it's also the nature of constantly changing boards, committees etc that you report to.

Makes for terrible job security, and hard for long term planning as priorities of those you report to constantly change.

You occasionally do get some quality people working in community sport for altruistic purposes, but it's usually doesn't take long to they burn out and move on.

North have managed to find the money.

BSA have plenty in the bank. Other clubs should have the money. They just don't want to give up power.

Community sport across all codes pays sweet FA.

Man if only basketball paid like footy

Community footy doesn't pay any better than community Basketball. All community sport generically pay about 60k across the board for operational roles.

Nope

The notion that U21 Div 1 is limited to one from each of the 10 clubs like juniors is the position of 8 or 9 clubs. One club has upset the apple cart just like the ludicrous position in reserves last year

#961, yep. Just go look at seek or the clearinghouse of sport (the daily newsletter from ausport).

The sport has grown massively in the last 3-5 years in Adelaide, but don't let that get in the way of your agenda.

The Elite side of the sport is a joke, Clubs running over 10 District teams in some age groups. That's not elite.

Whilst SA only allows 10 clubs to participate in Division 1 at the Junior level the sport will never grow like other states.

Anyone surprised that 8 of the 31 games scheduled yesterday were forfeited?

Surprised that anyone took the time to count exactly how many forfeits there were.

So one these clubs who are pushing for division 1 last night lost by 85 to another club's div 3 team.

Another one lost by 43 to a division 2 team.

Can we stop this madness now?

And the other club pushing for two Div 1 spots has yet to win a game

I think this well and truly proves that we don't have the population and depth for promotion and relegation.

And this is on the boys side as well, where there is still plenty of guys playing and highly dedicated in this age group. Imagine the carnage trying this on the girl's side.

860, you do realize that with BSA's new rules if you do that across all age groups in three years time we are going to end up with a less than 8 team NBL1 competition. Is that want we really want? Less spots for players to play in when they finish juniors?

We will probably end up with a 5 or 6 team competition.

860,

The more you write the more I understand.....the more I understand that you know very little. You lost me with saying play 14 normal games and the play a 3x3 season. Do you have any idea what form of the game the majority of juniors want to play? The failure of efforts by BSA to grow 3x3 is evidence of that. Cut back the number of 5 on 5 games and I feel these younger players will eventually gravitate to other sports.

860, read the rules. It's very clear. In 3 years time if you don't have a division 1 team in both genders across 14s to 18s you don't have a NBL1 license.

Make it 8 team comp with relegation and multiple clubs would fail to meet the criteria.

Based on last year's results if it was a 8 team promotion and relegation competition 4 clubs off the top of my head would have lost their NBL1 license. Maybe more if I checked the results closer.

Yes sports science shows that for retention it's far better for children to be in a competitive environment, but BSA is heading in the opposite direction by forcing clubs to put teams division 1.

860 - No half decent basketballer wants to play 3 x 3 over 5 x 5. That is just the dumbest thing ever

Can we all agree if you're playing in Teams 8 -13 at your club in an Age group your club is rorting you for fees and you are not playing District basketball!?

Clubs certainly can't claim the high road when they're doing things like this.

I think you will find that a lot of clubs are more than happy to go no deeper than 4 teams, and leave everything else in a association model. But the competition isn't structured like that, so we have what we have.

The competition isn't structured like that because no club is willing to do it. The Club decide how deep the competition structure goes.

For pretty much all age groups Div 5 and under becomes social in terms of standard. Pretty much a participation trophy type thing

But clubs wouldn't make as much money if they made everyone else play association. 'Playing district' in SA doesn't hold as much weight as it would in other states like Vic

Div 5 sure, we're not talking team 6 or 7. Some clubs in Adelaide are running to team 13!

Playing District is everything in SA. Association basketball is so new, being able to say you play District no matter what division/team unfortunately means everything to most parents, and some kids.

Team 13......what is that meant to be div 10?