WA metro beat SA country boys by 21 in a fairly ordinary standard game.

Crees

How many 06s will make next crocs team next year?

Nt and tas and wa c not offering much this year

I get the negative but you can't say positive things about certain players?

Vic & NSW are the 2 strongest states
They ain't there
It’s not a National tournament
Is a bunch of scratch matches
End of discussion.

Nsw hasn't been strong in a long time. When did they win last?

2014 in the men, 1998 in the women lol.

Rankings over all age groups?

WAM boys still tired from shooting so much the night before beating NT by 100! SAC aren't in the same ball park

Girls games were underwhelming. One significant standout performance for SA Country.

Given that the u14 clubs finals the last time any meaningful national-level event was played in this age group were NSW/Vic in the boys and Vic/Vic in the girls, it's probably fair to say those states are big absences. I doubt that, were they there, they would win the tournament, as we saw how much the lack of competition had knocked the Vics around at 18s. I'm glad the kids who are there are getting to play, but it will be interesting to see how results this time around compare to 18s in a couple of years.

If all there it would have been close in the boys but in the girls, I think vic m n c and nsw m n c would have been the top 4.

If you can't watch this Nationals and appreciate the joy and positive outcome that at least most teams can still compete and represent their state without having to talk it down just don't watch.

This is the biggest achievement in sport for most of these kids and you adults just want to talk it down. Shame on you all.

Those covid cesspool states aren't there.
Enjoy who is there.

#131 I agree and disagree with you. It will be the biggest achievement in sport for a lot of these kids. To me, that's exactly the reason to 'talk it down.' It's a huge deal in the context of their sporting careers but people acting like any team there is full of future junior national reps or kids with huge pro potential doesn't do these kids any favours. Just makes it harder for them to handle reality. It can be fantastic for them to be there even if it's not a competition of huge significance.

So don't talk it up or down. As Isaac has pointed out regarding the rules around individual players. Neither is helpful.

#145, I had 'talk it down' in quotes because I think some people being accused of talking it down are just being realistic. So talking it up/down is clearly a matter of perspective, and either there's no conversation, or you have to accept that some people are going to view the event as more meaningful than others.

Qld North too good down the stretch, SAM lacking structure or any working zone breaking offence. Should go 1 and 2 in their pool.

SA Metro and country boys looking like they have just played each other in the lead up. Both lack any system or discipline when needed

Or is there just not the same talent in WA in girls basketball as other states?

Only 7 Aus reps in like 10 years

Garbin
Pirini
Mckay
Hoycard
Dennis
Clarke
Deegan

Maybe another 2 soon though

Jacobs
Clark


Clearly a problem...


Sa, nsw, qld have had about 25 each
Vic over 50.

Problem is the uncompetitive girls junior rep comp. 70 point blowouts in championship division of ten teams a common occurrence

WA only keep 8-10 girls in the high perf programs per age group once they are out of U14's. eg u16 will have 18-22 girls half top, half bottom agers. Rough numbers

Its not enough, especially in girls basketball.

Results suggest something has to change

Realistically all the states that are there have been playing all year. So I'm not sure what people are talking about when they say all the teams have had to suffer the same. I think it’s good they get to play but don’t try to say that all are created equal in their loss. No kids have missed more opportunities than Melbourne kids. So yes be happy others get to play but be mindful of how you try to use everyone has missed out all year to justify it.

If lockdown ends as planned on October 26, Melbourne will have spent 267 days in hard lockdown since March last year - a total of nearly 9 months.

It will beat the next most locked-down city in the world, Buenos Aires, by 22 days.

Tassie turning their Tournament around this morning, currently up 28 to 8 against SA Metro boys.

#872236 Spot on. Its like the future basketballers are chosen when they are 13/14/15. Absurd.

Someone needs to tell the SA Country girls parents their whinging and embarassing carrying on is being broadcast live. One guy in particular thinks the game is all about him. Should be tossed out the building.

Agreed! Feral behaviour at it's best, good job SA Country

Wa should be bringing in 25 at u15/16, cut down to 20 u17/18, cut down to 15 u19/20

Is lehmann bottom age?

Yes

We will have a good 07/08 sapphires.

Good idea, as mentioned before the depth in the girls rep league is extremely thin. You would see some teams have players on bench that in other states would barely make a 1st side

Anyone have the program for the tournament?

I think you'll find most girls competitions are relatively thin. You can't compare the girls to the boys.

The same could certainly be said about SA and NSW.

Or maybe they're just not capable. You can't turn any player into a superstar just with coaching.

Girls teams have 1 or 2 great players
Boys teams have 1 or 2 weaker players, that's why there’s such a huge gap in standard.

^^ and the misogynist of the day award goes to

^^ keep tiptoeing around the truth if it makes you feel better

#295 If you're going to play the sexist card every time someone points out the truth girls basketball will continue to struggle. You think you're helping but you are not.

#295 I think the comment definitely comes across that way if you haven't spent a lot of time with the kids, but in this case I don't think it's necessarily misogynist. I've coached a large number of junior boys and girls teams at club, rep and state levels and it's almost always hard to cut the last kids from the boys' side, and almost always hard to fill the last spots in a girls' side. There is an absolutely fair argument to be had about the way we structure sport such that girls are not encouraged into it, and there is a fair argument about coaching styles being oriented to what suits boys/men. So IMO the reasons that the girls' competitions are so much weaker have sexist underpinnings. But pointing out that they are weaker - especially in the context of a discussion that has mostly been about how to better support them - is pretty fair.

There are some fantastic female basketball players around, just a higher percentage of fantastic male basketball players. That's not sexist, it’s the truth

#298 it's context specific. Maybe that’s the situation at your club, it certainly isn’t at mine. The depth of talent on the girls side of the program is much deeper. As a result it’s much harder to pick the girls teams than the boys. You’re mistaking your unconscious bias for facts

Red, Netball is far and away the most popular sport for girls in SA. They have huge numbers in comparison to basketball. AFLW now is also cutting into girls numbers, both of elite, established players as well as future up and comers.

Combine that with the stats that clearly show less girls play sport compared to boys and its a challenge for sports without the big money and profile to compete with the big two.

What can we learn from Netball's dominance? Girls are attracted to an environment that is female centric & dominated by female leadership.

How many visible female leaders (coaches, administrators, officials) does your club have?

Seems to me that an easy way to attract more girls to your club would be to increase your (visible) female leadership.

Or that Netball is a historically Australian sport. It's part of our culture that girls play Netball, boys play Footy.

Go to any country town and their clubs are designed that way, and the Football/Netball Club is the sports mecca of the Country Town.

You can't just parachute a female into a coaching, refereeing or admin role and think that will fix the problem. If they don't have the passion, experience and skills they'll just fail. You need to find the right females who have the time and interest in such roles. That's the challenge. Clubs aren't turning away qualified women from positions, they crave them. But there just aren't many out there.

Strongly disagree, #364. Boys club mentality prevails. Diversity, be it gender- or ethnicity-based is not an aspect that my state puts meaningful effort into. Our best drivers of female-specific environments are elite female players and coaches from outside the state and association pathways.

But why is that? Do you know of local females who have been blocked or not considered fairly? Do you know of any who have been refused opportunity due to their sex?

You can't just say the boys club is to blame if there are no women willing to put up with the hard slog required to do these roles. I'm sure there are many qualified and capable, but they have to be willing. Without proof of biased you can't just claim there is.

Ajc u15 u17 u19 like the kiwis

3/4 are already gone by u20s

Red its the same age bracket in every state.

Teenagers have lives, other things become a higher priority.

#377, what on earth?? I'm not just saying it, I have been there and done that and know many many women who have encountered the same. We are held to different standards from the moment we put our hands up. Higher hurdles to clear to be appointed, and higher levels of achievement expected once we're in the roles. If you want to put your head in the sand, mate, that's up to you. But that's the sort of attitude that prevents change, because you think that if YOU haven't seen it/lived it, no one else has. The glass ceiling and glass cliff phenomena are well-documented, the evidence is in. But I don't think you're interested in evidence.

^^ yep, the struggle is real. Unconscious bias permeates through everything, and it is exhausting for female coaches

#413 - Sorry to hear what happened to you.

I know as a current JDO we are always looking to get female coaches on board at our club and provide all the development they can get.

Just wondering peoples opinions? Not naming him but the 7'1-7’2 kid from QLD south obviously garners attention just because of his size. Do people think he’s got legitimate boomers potential in the future? Hasn’t looked bad at all but obviously has massive size advantage over everyone so hard to get a real assessment

Would need 2 years min at Coe to make a call.

I'd say the sf/pf in the same team has more potential.

Being born in 06, still 3 solid years of growth left.

C could be 7’3
Sf/pf could be 6’6-6’8

More female coaches administrators ext. is not the problem or the solution. It's visibility of the leagues and players. No male basketball
player is a player because they see men coaching or owning teams. It’s because they see MJ, Lebron, and they want to be like them. The role models need to come from players and promoting them. Also no boy grows up wanting to coach because of Phil Jackson they want to coach because it allows them to still be part of the game at a high level if they don’t make it as a player. This narrative of we need more female role models in coaching and high ranking positions is laughable. What needs to happen is better promotion of the stars of the game. No female player knows who the coach of the Las Vegas Aces is but they know Liz Cambage

^^^^^* and to add to that. There are many women millionaires out there. Why are they not buying teams and sponsoring and lifting women's sports?? Why are they not creating those opportunities.

The implication that males can't be role models to women and women can’t be role models to men is the most sexist undertone to this view.

Thanks, #464, I hope it pays dividends for the club.

#480, those are not the undertones. Of the people who played the biggest roles on my playing and coaching pathways, a majority were men. For the most part, men made the decisions to give me opportunities, and men advocated on my behalf. There are some incredible people involved in this sport and it is not gender-dependent. But men didn't do those good things for me because women are inherently incapable, they did them because men are in positions of power. We create environments for female athletes that are entirely based on sporting cultures built over decades by and for male athletes and coaches. Then wring our hands and say "oh but so many girls leave the sport between 15 and 17, maybe we should change the age groupings??" No. GIRLS grow up wanting to be Lebron and Steph, too. Then they get to 15 and realise it's never going to happen, and they get sick of being asked to work just as hard as boys for whom there's a real career pathway. They can't go into coaching to stay involved in the game - not if they want to earn a living. Because they'll be expected to coach women. But like I said before, I don't think you're interested in evidence, or fixing things. Your sexism is benevolent, but still very real.

This conversation is pointless. You can't argue with how someone feels.

People are treated poorly by clubs for many reasons, don't like it go elsewhere.

Watching sa metro boys the other day they had 3 assistants sitting on the bench .talk about overkill and confusion for the kids . With a 1-2 record obviously this coaching group is a fail

Head Coach reappointed for next year prior to this Tournament even starting. BSA aiming low as always.

Thanks John

Even without Vic and NSW, SA Metro boys can't make Semis. Terrible result, horrible final quarter against WA by the coaching staff.

Nsw m would have won in the boys

Possibly vic m or nsw c in the girls.



Looking like qld sth boys and qld sth girls for the title.

#527 Maybe or Maybe not.

Maybe having some of the best kids in the age group choose Club over State is something that should be addressed.
Maybe certain kids choosing to drop out due to the coach is something that should be addressed.
Maybe selecting said coach for 2022 before this years Nationals was a mistake.
Maybe running one player for almost the entire game despite having his worst game of the Tournament and costing them points at both ends was a mistake.
Maybe another boys failure for a State which used to be 2nd only behind Vic in Boys needs to be addressed.
Maybe injury is a cop out.
Maybe a State which has lost less minimal activity, (certainly less than QLD who has two teams in the Semis) due to COVID in 18 months shouldn't be using COVID as an excuse.
Maybe I believe not making Semis at an Event without NSW, Vic or ACT a failure and its alarming that you and others do not. High Performance isn't what it used to be it seems.

I am sure the boys who attended gave their all. I am sure the coaching staff did the best they could. But it wasn't enough and at this level if the State want to be one of the best again, excuses aren't good enough.

True.

Credit to qld.

Can anyone explain how the current SA Country 16 girls Head coach has been shafted for the position next year even though he has done a decent job?
Appointing Jamie Petty to this position must be a joke!

Into a semi final - doesn't happen often for SAC.

^ are you kidding? Good for them but half the competition is missing. Stupid comment to make given the circumstances

boys gf

Qld sth vs qld nth

Girls gf

Qld sth vs sa c

Where the program for d.o.b and heights?

TOT for me

GIRLS
07 Lehmann sg sa c
06 Bond sg qld n
06 Bobongie g/f qld n
06 Gardiner g/f sa m
06 Fuller pf qld s

#583 Watched the SA girls clash...what a cracker!!

You are surely kidding? SA Country 32 turnovers to SA Metro 28 and they still won.

Great win for our girls, but realistically, in a full comp both teams finish out of the top 4

Holland showing why High Performance have moved her on. Did she play zone the entire disastrous 3rd quarter?

Trying times but doesn't feel like a nationals. More like a weaker version of the SCC and ECC.
Good for those states that were able to attend but it also highlights some major issues with the HP pathways in some states.

Aus development of kids is horrible. Things need to change ASAP.
This is China/japan u12/u14 level if you watch those ,junior champs.

Butler you need to give this Metro boys team a dressing down, they are absolutely embarrassing to watch.

Butler!! Haha! His last Nationals coaching job he guided one of the best boys teams in SAs history to 8th!
Yes read that again, 8th PLACE.
BSA proceeded to reward him with the HP Mangers job!
He's exactly what’s wrong with the whole program
A bizzare little man masquerading as an expert
He isn’t dressing down anyone!

Mr Personality you mean

If not Butler then who in the state could do better?

635
Sapwell...Williams…Jantke…Flynn…Matt Clarke
Butler runs around hiding behind his FIBA certificate, he's not a coaches bootlace
It used to be an honour and prestige to play for SA, now people are walking away en masse because of Butler and Alex Wright, that’s the truth.
The program is descending into irrelevance under his leadership.

Is it true the metro boys coach has been reappointed?

Yes

That's a disgrace and heads should roll over that decision.
Alex Wrights results don’t stack up at club level, let alone state! Not to mention the amount of bad news that seems to surround him, where there’s smoke there’s fire, why don’t people want to play for you Alex?
His is like Scott Butler, unaccountable and untouchable because of his surname, BSA Boys club looks after them.

Where were you idiots when Alex medaled last trip with an underrated team

Good on Country for beating a terrible metro team who just turned the ball over consistently and cant shoot. BSA HP program in general is below par and this just illustrates that Butler and his boys club are not up to it.

Objection you missed the multiple references to the Boys Club. BA have no idea about coaching talent in each state. The State HP Managers make the recommendations.

What's the go with Wright and under 16 Boys, he hasn’t moved from that age group and gender for years, thought coaches were meant to switch it up

Byrne is the one who should feel hard done by.

Or accurate. Anyone who has spent time around them or in HP knows it exists back to NG days.

Awesome effort from Alex Wright
No Vic No NSW and he leads his team to 6th
Give him another year!
SA Basketball don't ever change you are hilarious!

Wa m women coach clearly bias.
Very clear all tournament. Could have won or come alot closer in a few games with a more even minutes distribution.
You could even here it on the commentary.

Scraping a win over wa country in the last game.

638 some of those names are hilarious.
We can think what we want about Butler but some of those are not an upgrade.

If a team of modtly bottomagers wins the chip, you know that basketballmaus is in real trouble

How can a team have 48 turnovers in a game that a turnover every 45 seconds. Nt girls should have to qualify.Embarrassing to watch

Out of this tournament I would doubt more than 2 kids make nbl and zero will be boomers history says this .

What might have the vic and nsw s5s looked like?
I see the rosters but who would have started.

About 6-7 Aussie reps within nsw/vic/act both boys n girls.
Not many from this tournament will make the leap to next years crocs/sapphires u17s(06) or 2024 crocs/sapphires(07) imo.

Left field
Yes absolutely, Adam Todd would be a fantastic choice
Only problem he's got is John Wright isnt his dad.

Well done to qld sth women's

Thanks Mrs Todd ,

Quite sure Qld South would disagree with you #673. I'd expect the Vic teams would have all struggled even if they attended given how much basketball they've missed.

Certainly vic/nsw/act could have lost but in the long run they would be filling the majority of n.t positions in 2022/23/24.

I don't see more than 1 top age 06 player making the WC next year.

The following sapphires, the 2024 wc, 1 certainty and maybe 3-4 07s are a possibility.

Bobongie is a chance for n,t next year imo.
other 2006 born players likely come out of nsw c or vic m.
Majority of the team will be 2005.

The Coe have already chosen gray, Clark, Petrie and Juffermans. You can guarantee them a place already.

Not sure shooting 20% from 3 and 25% from 2 is great shooting scout

As someone from outside SA seeing the comments especially about the girls teams is crazy to me- they both won medals. Would they have been there if NSW and Vic were there who knows, maybe not, but you know what they did do beat the teams that they could beat that were at the tournament, which is all you can ask of them. Maybe trying being happy and proud of them.

Your SA country girls were an absolute pleasure to watch with definitely at least 1 star in the making there. For a completely undersized team they fought every second of every game, had huge desire, effort and hustle- something I wish some of my states teams would have. They also had 8 bottom agers which is huge to give them all experience at 16s ready to go again next year and I really hope they push to get up there again.

07/08 next years u16s

Should be much deeper talent wise both boys n girls.

SAC girls played the best basketball of any SA team. Bright young coach by the looks. Should have a long career as a state coach.