Tbh I would have thought teams would have asked players about their views on the vaccine before even signing them given where things are headed in Australia

TBF, they've headed there very quickly. They signed him two months ago. For guys like Webster and Trice they will be able to get jobs elsewhere, but for lower end guys who don't want to COVID vaccination this is going to create a tough situation.

So has the NBL made this decision based on the need for international and interstate travel that requires it or are they doing it off their own bat?

I think it's because NSW and Vic have shown they'll discriminate on the basis of vaccination status, hence players won't be able to play there if unvaccinated for COVID. NZ may have also got word that entry to Australia will require COVID vaccination.

It is a NSW/VIC issue at the moment because of their COVID situations.

It will move into other states at some point, undoubtedly, but if the NBL season was starting now there would be no vaccination restriction on players in Tas, SA, QLD and WA, and most likely NZ too at this point.

All state will want vaccinated people, players until probably high 80% double vaccinated.

Most euro countries are the same, Denmark are at 82% full vaccination and are now opening to all, basketball wages in Denmark are very very poor. Some middle eastern countries might let you play, money ok but ain't that safe.

"And I sure as shit won't risk watching game where a non exempt player may pass on a variant to me where I can avoid it." Not sure how that would happen. Let's not worry about who isn't vaccinated sitting next to you, eh.

Qudos bank arena is privately owned, WA government own there stadium, not certain on others but I believe they will only let in vaccinated supporters.

France had low vaccination rates and the government made the law no vaccine no entry, to any stadiums, halls, restaurants, galleries etc, etc., the vaccination rates went up immediately and police check it.

It will be a choice, you either get vaccinated and participate in life, or you will be allowed out but can't get in anywhere ,once upon a time leper’s were put away from all and left to die, you were shunned, it’s your choice.

@ ME

Israel are only 64% double vaccinated as of 19/9/21, the opened up early on single vaccination rates, it's easy to check.

Australia should be opening up on 80% double with low numbers in the community and the latest reports say it will be sustainable, probably with masks still required in areas.

these would of been planed for wks no wonder why Tim coenaard signed as injury replacement and last month rumours of Alex mudronja sign as TP i think

Giacontigers this isn't the NBL pushing an agenda. This is them being real about what each of the state governments are going to push. WA and QLD are already making certain groups have proof of vax before you can enter.

They should allow people their "choice" but block hospitals from treating covid sick who passed on a vaccine. US is full of unvaccinated people filling wards with weeks of often futile treatment before they kick the bucket.

Israel has been effective for months, its more a case that you lose antibodies over time and likely we will all need annual booster shots as well as hopefully updated vaccines that work stronger on the new variants.

"It will move into other states at some point, undoubtedly, but if the NBL season was starting now there would be no vaccination restriction on players in Tas, SA, QLD and WA, and most likely NZ too at this point. "

This is pure speculation. At the moment, SA and WA aren't letting people from NSW and Victoria into the state, regardless of vaccination status. It's a huge leap to presume SA will blithely ignore vaccination status when it 'opens up'.

"Potentially silly question - Do people who have already had Corona Virus like 4K McCarron need to be vaccinated?"

Not a silly question. Current advice is to get vaccinated, even if you've previously had COVID-19. Note that there were some early reports of people suffering from long COVID symptoms whose symptoms decreased or disappeared after vaccination. I don't know whether any further investigation of that apparent effect has been carried out and reported.

"a vaccinated person can equally carry and infect others as has been proven and reported globally"

Recent research found that vaccinated people carry the same peak viral load as unvaccinated people, during their infectious period. However, that research also found that vaccinated people have a shorter infectious period - 2-3 days shorter. i.e., the viral load drops off earlier and faster in vaccinated people. As a result, a vaccinated person will infect fewer people, after contracting COVID-19, than if they had been unvaccinated, because they'll be exposed to fewer people during their shorter infectious period.

"People have a choice to not get vaccinated, but that's a selfish choice."


Whether you get a COVID vaccine is purely a personal choice. You can choose that the benefits outweigh the risks for you and get it, but that has little impact on anyone else.

If these vaccines provided immunity from the virus then you could mount some case for collective responsibility, but that's not the case here.

In fact, virologists suggest so many people being vaccinated so quickly with a non-immunising treatment has sped up mutant escape and resulted in a huge increase in the number of mutations, which could cause further issues down the track.

The only real issue for Australia is that we have a lower level of hospital beds per capita, compared to places like Germany and UK. If we open too soon or people don't get vaccinated and a larger proportion ends up in the hospital there comes a point where people are dying, not just from Covid which is inevitable, but from other illnesses or accidents.

Simple solution.

Base health accessibility for covid, and covid illnesses only on vaccinated people. If you don't want to have the vaccine I'm totally fine with that. But don't expect to take up a bed for someone else who needs it.

And the whole world will require vaccinations for international travel, so if you are happy to not fly overseas, and don't want a vaccination, then that is your choice.

Even domestic travel airlines will require vaccination. WA are already requesting proof of at least 1 dose to get in and then still quarantine for 14 days. Basically if you want to be a professional athlete moving forward you better roll your sleeve up.

A civilised country wouldn't have any requirements around COVID vaccinations until they are actually out of trials and fully approved.

I don't think posters on this forum get to comment about what civilised communites should do. :)

Actually, they most definitely would.

Otherwise;

a) They would need to keep the borders shut for approximately 10 years (timeframe for previous vaccine programs) and institute lockdowns for each and every outbreak, which would decimate industries and education and hence destroy the economy in the short and long run, increase unemployment creating long term supply issues for goods and service and therefore inflation which would create an environment where all Australians are paying more for goods and service despite earning less. Plus a massive budget blowout that will take generations to pay back.

or b) They open borders and allow covid to run through the country for the next 10 years including any and all new variants. This would overrun the health system to a point where any and all elective surgeries would be unavailable, basic healthcare would be impossible and the death rate would be significantly above the 600,000 marks a 2% fatality rate implies. For reference, the UK has had 1.22% more deaths over and above those from covid due to hospital waiting lists. That means possibly 1M Aussies dying, not just from Covid. This would also destroy the workforce and lead to a large unemployment rate, decreased productivity and international competitiveness and force more people into unemployment and again, blow out the budget for future generations, who are already saddled with higher than ever education costs and house prices, to pay back through tax increases and decreases in government spending.

Neither of those is a good option for anyone.

You're assuming no one will get the emergency vaccine without coercion. Case studies all around the world show that isn't the case, significant numbers do.

I am assuming that as the vaccine isn't out of trials and fully certified it isn't allowed to be provided. Like all other medical procedures which aren't fully certified.

#824
Smart comment, it's a bit scarce hear at times.

#822
Trials have been completed by scientists around the world and approve different countries medical professionals. Maybe you should try and understand the procedure.

Actually, beds for those who are able to understand that they have decreased the likelihood of serious ilness by 75% by taking a vaccine and therefore have actually made the effort to help the occupancy rates as well as transmission rates.

All medications have potential side effects. And no one is saying it's a 100% 'cure'. Otherwise, there would be no vaccines, because none are 100% effective nor come with O potential side effects.

@ME

That's already happening in the US and UK. Because they have run out of beds and ICU units, as such doctors are telling cancer patients to stay at home because they haven’t got any other option.

"Trials have been completed by scientists around the world and approve different countries medical professionals. Maybe you should try and understand the procedure."


The trials are ongoing, that's stated on their documentation, and the approval in almost every country is for emergency use.

Therefore people should be able to make an informed decision on whether to get it or not in consultation with their doctor, and avoid coercion (eg losing your job) as per the Nuremberg Code.

"How hard is it to understand that no vaccine is 100% effective and that to get the most out of them we need a very high uptake!"


Virologists views are actually the opposite with vaccines like those for COVID which don't provide immunity.

Targeted vaccination of demographics at risk provide them good protection from severe outcomes, but widespread use of a non-sterlising vaccine causes mutant escape, which we are currently seeing.

Dark times ahead, the world was meant to go in a dark place unless we change as an Society.

Too many people with the seven deadly sins with which are Lust, Gluttony, Greed, Sloth, Wrath, Envy and Pride.

The seven virtues.

1 Kindness = cures envy by placing the desire to help others above the need to supersede them.

2 Temperance = cures gluttony by implanting the desire to be healthy, therefore making one fit to serve others.

3 Charity or love = cures greed by putting the desire to help others above storing up treasure for one's self.

4 Chastity or self-control = cures lust by controlling passion and leveraging that energy for the good of others.

5 Humility = cures pride by removing one's ego and boastfulness, therefore allowing the attitude of service.

6 Diligence or Zeal = cures slothfulness by placing the best interest of others above the life of ease and relaxation.

7 Patience = cures wrath by taking time to understand the needs and desires of others before acting or speaking.

Non-sterilising vaccines result in greater mutant escape.

"unless we change as an Society."
The butchering of the English language right there is dark enough. AN Society.!!
Forget all the other dribble.

Don't get me started on people using his in place of he's

Absolutely mind numbing

#884 this is the reality. Brilliant, bravo!