Great. Remove bsa competitions and programs from distracting from player development and developing their love for the game. Clubs and private providers to fill the void who deliver more client focussed services with better outcomes for players and families than BSA can.

ACBA and all their associated entities must be rubbing hands togethee.

Speak to the kids. Most want to play 5v5 not 3v3. It just shows how out of touch people are running basketball

Maybe the clubs should run basketball for the full year

! do you work for BSA?

It is easy to state things but it is more difficult to state things with the knowledge of all parents and players. There are a lot of unhappy parents with this announcement

BSA has changed this a bit now stating a typo-wow! Or maybe a change of heart!

BSA have backtracked on this in the email out today.

There will be two seasons - a grading season (summer) and a main season (winter).

Sounds like the outgoing Comp Manager is leaving a mess for the incoming rookie.

Typical BSA having the wrong people making decisions and then having to go back on it once people who know what's going on let them know the issues.

These changes would drive down BSA profitability and therefore their ability to service members. It will dramatically destroy clubs' finances and their ability to provide junior programs. And then NBL1 without going into significant further debt.

If referees aren't working for all that time, those young people will go and get a part-time job and won't be available 3 months later and hence no ref retention nor development.

The only positive for clubs would be that they could now go out and create their own summer league and take the profits, to pay for their stadium training costs.

Finally, this won't change the number of hours most committed player is doing, they will just take the money they spend away from BSA and clubs and put it into private peoples pockets. Hence the goal of low impact periods won't be realised and clubs and BSA will just be worse of financially.

You're really struggling with this aren't you Truth?

Who really has any faith and confidence in BSA? Most of their decision making is centred around Sturt, and the way their juniors are going you would be very suspicious this new system just gives them extra time to get out there and poach players.

Firstly on the comparison with cricket and football seasons - have you ever played cricket in the rain or football in a heatwave? Basketball lends itself to longer seasons due to playing indoors though I acknowledge some stadiums do leak and some stadiums do not have air conditioning.

Who knows what the truth is regarding consultation and decision making process. You can say you consult but when the communicated solution bears no resemblance to what was "consulted" then is that truly consultation?

But what is the truth is that the initial communication and the apparent back tracking on the season structure has confused the general basketball community and needlessly raised concerns over what is happening

Interesting the comments about clubs being involved and how that highlights just how much change there has been on the frontline in SA basketball.

In just 5 years we've gone from a Basketball Adelaide group determined to save basketball from BSA incompetence by taking over competitions to a completely submissive and powerless one.

We've gone from a group of long standing, well informed, progressive JDOs who met and talked regularly to a bunch of underpaid, under engaged, under skilled coaches filling gaps.

Clubs have gone so far backwards in 5 years, in relation to the people running them, no wonder they are going along with this. They all have such internal termoil to try and handle they have no interest in the big picture.

No one can honestly say the presidents and JDOs of 5-10 years ago would be as supportive as the curent lot. The "Clubs" are not what they used to be in this area.

Which JDO or presidents were there 5 years ago that aren't there now?

From my recollection the only existing presidents who were presidents in 2017 are from West Sturt and North.

As for JDO's I have no idea but I believe the JDO network back five years was less organised than what it is now.

The other big issue is the turnover within BSA and the Commission. As knowledge is developed it quickly moves on. Quite frankly the people with the experience and longevity within basketball operate within the District Club community. Provided they can see the bigger basketball picture and put club allegiances behind them for a while they are best placed to determine and implement the competition structure.

What the JDOs wanted and what has been announced by BSA is vastly different from what I understand.

Eastern and North Presidents are the only 2 that remain from 2016.

Only JDO that remains is Dickel, although moved clubs.

Organised isn't relevant. They were senior basketball people with a long and deep invovlement in grassroots. Dickel was the rookie, even outsider.

Woodville have upgraded, moreso as they were woeful. On the fence re North. Forestville tandem from then together, more engaged than now. Everyone else has gone backwards.

No there has been a change at Eastern in last year or so

Carnivals clash with other sports. Shambles waiting to happen. It's hard enough getting players to commit now given the lack of long weekend for the State Champs/Qualifying Tournament.

3x3 is an Olympic Sport that Australia is way behind most basketball countries in.

My error, didn't realise Eastern had made a change.

By my count that means of the 24 or so Presidents/JDOs 2 reamin from 2016. That's a huge issue. A significant base of knowledge no longer invovled at that level.

3x3 May be an Olympic sport but it's garbage. It’s not basketball. That’s why district kids don’t want to play it.

Don't disagree. Just explaining why there's a push by administrators.

I expect because it's in Olympics, powers that be want to establish it, but correct, no-one wants to play. They've been trying for years with all those cash prize tournaments at the beach, best they usually get is some average social players. Never know, could change based on what plan seems like.
Scott Freer at Woodville has done an excellent job on the boys side, was always going to push shit uphill with the girls. North have just looked and listened to hype, state champs were a disaster. And just looking at their social media it seems coaches must fit in with the program of a couple of experts, bad luck if you don't agree. Have to give kudos in their organisation, just seems like a lot of brainwashing going on. Getting rid of Adam Todd just to favour one coach was definitely a bad decision.
I've lost track with Norwood. They sacked Willie, then Rojo, brought in an Nbl1 GM, have they got someone in charge there, or another one of the Family?
Central's seem to change their mind and vision every year as well as personell. When you have Pero as your boys 16 and 18 coordinator, it's either desperate, stupid, or a bit of both. Apparently he makes Rupert take a back seat at his own training. Obviously no-one there remembers his efforts as North's jdo a few years back when they hit rock bottom.
Forestville girls seem to be going well but their boys program is the worst in competition, and doesn't seem to be getting better.
Sturt have taken a tumble from where they once were the gold standard, now they're down with the rest.
The rest have some good talent here and there. But surely gametime is more important than training so much as proposed. How will club's respond in terms of fees? Still costs as much hiring training venues, but no game carrot at the end. Can see kids breaking away and either finding a good social competition and workout with external trainers, rather than pay fees and glorified scrimmages. Rashad, Joey, KB and the other academy style programs will think their Christmas's have come at once.
Maybe it does have some legs in lower grades if they organise the development side of things well, but 1s and 2s should be exempted from this. Most are already getting extra training, and theoretically have the best club coaches. The kids want to play, as evidenced by the whole covid shutdown. If someone is smart, they could organise their own breakaway "superleague" and capitalise on just creating a non affiliated competition on a Friday night. It's really just there for the taking after this genius plan. Sounds like a lot of stadiums will just be sitting there idle.

#928 the Commission have always been the problem. Too busy micromanaging day to day. Not focused on big picture stratergy.

I will agree so many people have been pushed out of BSA its ridiculous. All that history gone with them. The new CEO has downsized the whole organisation so much they're making themselves irrelevant.

BSA have on there website put up an email address for comments or questions. Maybe clubs should point that out if they have unhappy members

Didn't their U18 boys get like 4 boys to move to the NBA program in Canberra last year?

Most of their D1/2 boys teams are in the top 3. NBL1 mens team in the Grand Final. At our club there are constant murmurs of boys and families saying "we are wanting to get into North next season because they are winning and have kids going to high levels". Sure they are not perfect but seems to be the best run program from the outside looking in.

! That is coming close to the dumbest post I have read for a while. Parents/kids demand what they want from sport. If you don't deliver they move on. To spend two years trying something which appears not popular is flirting with basketball going backwards

Nice excuse to not play State Champs due to lack of time, but lets have a 4 week finals series.

The BSA Comp Manager finally got his way as he's leaving. 35+ years of history and the Premier Event in the BSA calendar (as BSA called it) is scrapped.

No state champs is strange given the length of the finals. I suspect this is due to give as many children games and not just Div1/2 players.

It's a bit rough blaming the past Competitions Manager for this when he was not involved in the decision making process

To change the finals series with a few weeks notice doesn't either. This is an organisation that has no concept of how to run a competition. Or a sport for that matter. Or provide a service to members. Still waiting to see where my $5 per child has gone to better the sport for young girls.

Don't worry because given we are now playing half a year the levy will drop to $2.50!

Who is pushing 3x3 to help fill the down time. Is it BA, BSA or the clubs? And why; because it’s an Olympic sport and is there federal funding to support this focus. To me it’s like the Australian Ballet deciding to focus on breakdancing because it’s now an Olympic sport and maybe there’s money to be had. Just because it’s an Olympic sport doesn’t make it good or what kids want to do!

What I'm seeing is a premature, ill thought out announcement then. Get more substance around the announcement rather than upsetting so many

You could be right but nimble, agile approaches to change are not a bad thing in basketball. Get info out fast and get feedback and tweak from there. better than being slowmoving, not willing to adap to feedback and never implementing change.

Dumb ideas mostly but not a bad way to implement change in these modern times.

Except BSA removed the link for feedback!!!!

Ask 100 people about comps and you'll get 100 different responses. It's about asking the right people. About researching what works and what doesn't around the country and around the world. How you can't jsut plug in one thing from a system that works and expect it to work in a different state, sport or model. It's about having an understanding of how the local system works (and doesn't work) and building a system from that. Businesses and Unis study and teach this for years. From what I can see BSA are making it up with underskilled personnel as they go.

This is not how anyone would build a competition structure professionally.

This is about responding to complaints and ticking boxes that's all.

3x3 like female participation (in playing, refereeing and coaching) are metrics that are tracked by BA and the ASC that need to be met in order for the sport to receive money. BSA would be the least per member funded state body in the country. Not that they actively try to change that a great deal.

But the 3x3 and female participation are targets set for them to meet to obtain money. That's the reason they have to do what they do.

BSA don't want feedback, they know generally it will be poor. That's why they don't include the right people. They don't want the best system, they want the best system for their pre-determined outcomes.

The fact there are multiple documents with different dates just shows how on the run they're making these decisions. If you think its in consulation with clubs and JDOs you really have way too much faith in BSA. Needs a cleanout, the replacing of the entire office (literally) under the new CEO (some positions multiple times) hasn't worked.

#152 there was plenty of consultation. But only in the sense that it was lip service with BSA having their agenda prior to the meeting and rolling it out after regardless of the concerns of the clubs.

There is a chance that they get this through because currently there is a weak group of presidents and Basketball Adelaide do have to ability to come together for the greater good and start their own competition and get ride of BSA and their useless club defeating iedas

Video on Female Participation Strategy

https://fb.watch/7-ye82oJv8/

So their whole program is about doing girls only things. Which already existed. As typical from BSA a lack of any real detail. Those programs generally are self funded anyway. What a joke.