Jack
Years ago
Should the Big V award the Championship to the top team of each division?
To me it makes sense as the players coaches and clubs have put in work for most of the season. It will help give closure in a situation that has hit young people hard mentally.
Absolutely. That's a no brainer.
Need to have a winner. How else could they do it
Season has come this far. They should just go ahead and do it
donotreach
Years ago
Would make sense BUT the Big V has said in its communication it will not award any champions this season or promotion. Both are absurd considering the Keys borough have romped D1 and SCM is lacking some fresh blood to shake it up.
Why on earth would the Big V say that? Just another case of Big V admin and the CBFs.
Seriously, what a joke if they don't have a competition winner.
RMIT have been light years ahead of everyone else in D2. What travesty to go undefeated and not get any acknowledgement.
If Big V bylaws state a game is complete after half time if it has to stop. Why is it different for the season.
Tex
Years ago
So Big V are not going to drop a team who can't get within 30 points of any other team (if both teams actually tried) and keep them playing against a team that should be in the division above?
Is it just a case of Big V can’t be bothered? Too much effort?
Give teams a title, send them up and fix the competition. Simple. Some might even say commonsense.
So RMIT who have already signed players to improve their undefeated team- not to mention even hungrier for a title, will be stuck playing D2 again?
Agreed, if you play 75% of the season, that is more than enough especially with 2 leagues having undefeated teams. Keys 5 games up on Corio and RMIT 3 games up on Altona... both teams did what they had to do with what was ahead of them. Blackburn 1 win, Mel Uni 0 wins... Feel like this is common sense. Looking even more in depth, Keys has a % of 134 and RMIT 136%. Do the right thing Big V!! Reward the hard work of these clubs who did what was needed in a hard year, Signed
Another club in Big V
Anonymous
Years ago
Hopefully next week the RMIT and Keysy people can start a 6th thread for this!
how often are we going to read the same thing over and over?
Now before you all jump up and down the YL2M coach of 2016 Corio Bay Team would be ready to tell his story about the 2016 Championship game where a undefeated all year Mornington lost to said Corio Bay who come from 4th on then ladder to take the flag. So Keysie could go the same way with Corio Bay this tear in Div1
Promote the winners who did what was asked of them in the midst of the most difficult, unpredictable Big V season ever! Keys dominated, there is no chance of anyone beating them, they are already better than most SCM teams.
No chance of promotion this year.
Big V can't even be bothered awarding a championship side let alone the whole promotion relegation thingy.
Not sure about Keysy to champ men.
Perhaps Melbourne Uni could play RMIT. Winner plays D1 loser plays D2
And to make it fair Melbourne Uni get a 50pt head start
donotreach
Years ago
Melbourne Uni played RMIT in a preseason game and lost by 50 .... 50
really?? wow.. if that really is the case, then sounds like a no brainer
No, definitely not, No promotion relegation.... Nope.... None.... No!
A man
Years ago
Now before you think im a second placed team which im not!!!!!
You cant give someone the championship cause
1. Teams played unbalanced total number of games
2. Some teams played weaker ones twice compared to others and as a result made top 4 so had an advantage (no fault of anyone just luck of the draw cause of covid)
So how can you give someone the championship knowing that? Plus added to that most likely no finals series to ultimately dterminethe best team
Is just what it is this year people and yeah agree Keysy and RMIT unlucky asnd probably yeah clearly are best and deserve championship, but if they were to give it to them they would have to do it for all divisions and most other divisions clearly the top 4 teams you could question if in fact are best cause of easier draws etc from the games they got to play from above? So you cant just give the the championship also I would have thought?
Have to at least earn the championship with finals to prove the best (but even saying that you could always argue perhaps there is a 5th placed team out there that are the best even and the cards didnt fall their way this year with their cancelled games!
And no I didnt finish 5th either if you think you know which club I might play for and its not sour grapes. I agree totally with what they have decided. Just a horrible year all up again for everyone unfortunately
Calm down
Years ago
you guys do realise clubs can apply to go up and go down at end of each year? So relax on all the above, yeah there is no automatic promotion relegation in seniors cause of the year it is with unbalanced games played, no imports in most teams but some lucky to have theirs still if in country so obviously they killed it on court this year like wallan
But I am sure if there is like totally totally underperforming teams the league will suggest they drop down anyway in which the assoc may want to do anyway.
And also the other way Keysy and RMIT being undefetaed they will no doubt ask league to be considered to go up which i am sure they will review and would suggest highly likely they will put up and accomodate with more teams in those divisions if they are both wanting to.
Everyone needs to calm down on the what ifs on this post always and abusing certain clubs and big v lol im a geelong supporter in footy and annoys me how chris scott is always whingeing to the afl on stuff cause its unfair. shut up scotty and just go with the flow there is no simple fix like the old days - life has changed
Who knows in covid what lays ahead and which assoc may be forced to drop out anyway completely or drop divisions cause of no income from these lockdowns and they cant afford to offer it as a club next year
I know where i work which is in business is changing every week cause of lockdowns and no income and uncertainty - it goes the same here folks lol People still dont get it 18 months later of us all going thru this, things arent what they used to be in everything we do and have interests in including basketball
How good is the Keysy import Lampkin? Could he be playing NBL1?
Is that a no? His credentials and numbers on the best team look pretty good?
There are plenty of better Aussies floating around than him at that level
"Jacob is definetly a high level NBL1 player"
Thanks for your input Jacob
BB
Years ago
Lampkin could comfortably play NBL1, he seems like a pretty decent guy as well. He destroyed us when we played him.
Dane Suttle
Years ago
Have to agree with A Man and Calm Down. Not all divisions have had an even season to date, so I don't think it's fair to crown champs. All the discussion seems to be about RMIT and Keysborough. There are other divisions as well.
Anon
Years ago
BNSW have done the same sought of thing by giving whoever was on top of the table at the time is declared the winner even though they may have played 2 more games than the rest.
Also if there were 2 pools they gave each team leading the pool declared as winners.
Quite a rediculous way to do it all.
That is for both seniors and juniors.
The talk is about Keys and RMIT because they are undefeated. Hard to argue with a team that runs the table vs other divisions where people can make arguments about games played etc... They took care of business and quite easily.
As far as Jacob, the man can play NBL1 no questions. For those slandering him, the man killed us when we played him and he barely played more than 20 minutes this season because Keysi was just that much better than the rest of our competition. To say there are plenty of Aussies better than him is just people hating on a guy who can play.
Without Lampkin Keysy would be bottom 3 in this years comp
For perspective dgaf would be average in NBL1? 20 and 10, 15 and 8 or 12 and 7?
@isaac could you please check if all these lampkin comments are from the same IP.
Doesn't matter if it’s unbalanced either you won or you lost. NBA the eastern conference was weaker than the west. Teams with worse records in the East than the west still got playoff births. Crown A Winner!!!!
2021 is cooked!
Years ago
Totally disagree how can you declare a winner when no finals series? And also when teams played unequal amount of games during year and versus gun teams twice in a few cases compared to others!
Agree with the bloke up theres comments, cant just hand it to RMIT and Keysy cause of how well they did (but i get why your upset and feel hard done by ).
BUT you would need to do that for every other legaue and that would be just unfair and unjust in most cases looking at ladders.
If they had of lets say in all divisions played all home and away games and everyone twice before this shutdown (which doesnt look like ending by sept 18!!!!! -angry face) you could declare a champion team but not when the best teams didnt make top 4 in some instances cause of the cancelled rounds and being unlicky with their draw.
Just my thoughts but easy for teh RMIT and Keysy to have a whinge which I get it - BUT look at big picture boys of all leagues . Big V isn't just two divisions - its a hell of a lot bigger . not like afl wen they have 1 league overall and can judge on its merits, they have heaos.
shattering 2021
Years ago
Clearly RMIT or Keysey people only on here lol. Yeah its tough on you both and yes probably would have been certainties but seriously you didnt play 7 games of your 22 during season cause of covid and there will be no fianls series to by looks of it with cases today.
So cant just hand it you boys! when you had only played 2/3rds of your actual own games, anything could happen in those 7 games and in finals (WE ALL KNOW THE UNPREDICABILITIES OF SPORT WITH INJURIES/FORM LOSSES AND FINALS IT CAN BE ANYONE GAME IN SOME INSTANCES )
Just one of those years for everyone ala 2020, at least we all gave it a crack and got out playing again if we look back on 2021 season as a positive. hopefully 2022 we get a full complete season in -
Why wouldn't have bigV fixtured everyone to play everyone at least once as soon as possible, before playing a team a second time.
Surely they knew that there would be likely interruptions?
It's disgraceful crowning a champion based on regular season results.
Most teams don't care about W-L record and save energy for playoffs. If season was advertised as being based on W-L record, teams would've strategised differently.
Also, sick of RMIT and Keysie fan boys here. Never thought I'd say this but wish the annoying Chelsea people were back on the forums like they've been the past 3 years tearing their own club apart. Was fun to read every day. Haven't eaten popcorn since.
Shattered
Years ago
Everyone had played every one once buddy
Issue now is some teams have played others twice ahd others once
And before you suggest go back then to first game results you can't do that as someone would argue we were "away" if they lost but we beat them at home so how can you just go off first games
Then it all gets just to complicated and open to someone still whinging if you went to head to head
Plus fiba rules just looked up goes head to head if uneven games played
It just is what it is ladies amd gents
2021 is cooked
Shattered
Years ago
I agree maybe go back to something else rather than whinging from Rmit amd Keysey people
Feel for you all but just a bad year all round for victiria AGAIN ! Lol
Shattered
Years ago
Sorry fiba win loss percentage not head to head
Too many beers in lockdown lol
Everyone stuck the boots into RMIT when they first came in the league for not winning. Now peeps kicking them that they winning! Poor club can't catch a break! FFS
Anonymous
Years ago
Incorrect - RMIT didn't play the second placed Altona at all.
*Not that altona stood a chance, just shows the unevenness of the schedule.
donotreach
Years ago
ALtona lost to Sherbrooke, Wallan and Whittlesea if I'm correct RMIT blew teams out and when you look at the scores even won the close games with players missing and injured.
The league is asking for Defensive Players and MVP votes from coaches, if they are going to handout individual awards they might as well hand out team awards.
Fingers crossed we get a finals series so we can stop having a 8 threads on Div 2 Mens Basketball. That said this has to be better coverage than the Big V Media Team have produced for the past 3 seasons.
Even the Altona players concede that they would have got beat by RMIT, just ask them. And no I am not from RMIT.
If they are doing individual awards and not handing out championships as such, perhaps the Big V should hand out Minor Premiers awards like other leagues have done.
To go undefeated deserves some recognition even if it is only in D2.
That's a good idea. Put out 2021 Regular season champions for Keilor, Keys and RMIT. Give them something that reflects the work put in and results that followed. Doesn't have to say SCM, D1 or D2 champions... same goes for individual awards, these players earned it. Nathan Frost dominated SCM and deserved some recognition for it
Can we stop rewarding players on bad teams who don't win with accolades? Nathan Frost recognition for finishing 3rd last in standings? Werribee imports year after year putting big numbers but not winning any games. But put in all star 5?
Regular season champions is plain comical. With this logic, NBA cancels 2021 playoffs, Utah Jazz and Philadelphia 76ers are each awarded conference title, Utah Jazz win NBA regular season championship. Teams don't care about the regular season, otherwise they would've tried a lot harder knowing it'd be rewarded.
Cancel the season, no awards and let's start a new 2022 thread so we can talk more about RMIT and Chelsea for 2022. I almost forgot they existed until today, haven't heard anyone speak about them for a few years.
You can't award winners for some and not for others that’s ridiculous. As mentioned above RMIT have not played Altona but Keysie have not played Corio. Not saying that both teams wouldn’t remain undefeated and don’t bring up other match results. Certain teams just happen to match up better than others.
Regular season v finals is a different pressure.
Stop trying to bring Chelsea hate back on here.
Nathan Frost is better than any RMIT player past or present. Get off the grass. D2M will never be anywhere near SCM.
what does nathan frost and RMIT have to do with each other? complimenting a player and you bring in a whole different club and topic in... some people on here need to take a walk and stop the hate. people hiding behind computers who are not good at basketball but want to hate on guys like nathan and jacob is pathetic.
It has been a little while without a thread on one of Chelsea's 38 AGM’s in past year
Why have Chelsea and Frost been dragged in to this?
Apparently Nathan Frost is the MVP of Big V and sources above say he is trying out for a roster spot with the San Antonio Spurs next summer league. Possibility of skipping summer league as well for a supermax NBA contract. Transcended Big V basketball.
On a serious note, I don't think you can reward teams as unfair on others who were focused on finals. Tough situation for Big V, hopefully season can continue so this talk can end.
Anon
Years ago
Need to bring back the big V forum so this crap can stsy there
X
Years ago
Lock down extended. Looks like Big V will call it soon.
X
Years ago
So moving forward the key question for Big V is what is the plan next year. COVID isn't going to go away. Will we be in the same situation next year?
Depends if the Victorians all get immunised. Who knows now.
From correspondence that means one more chance for the weekend of 18th if we out of lockdown and indoor sport returns by 9th. Not looking good. Anyone from NBL1 club heard anything
Are the outbreaks worse in Winter? Start the season earlier?
A
Years ago
Someone up there suggesting so what does next season look like ???
Who knows none of us can predict what is happening any given week let alone next year March to September
No matter what the league or any sport league plans and us teams for that matter can be controlled and is pointless really
Just need to be open to thought of anything amd things requiring change at the drop off a hat people's
Big v have done brilliantly this year really dealing with it and keeping the season alive so long really considering everything
I reckon it’s pretty obvious next year unless your vaccinated you won’t be able to play coach volunteer in big v and do anything just like in everything else we do in life
Anon
Years ago
Agree
Agree
Agree
Let's not turn this into a vacuum forum though A lol
But yeah you would have to be blind Freddy to realise what lays ahead next year and then the season can hopefully just be played like normal
I do reckon maybe shorten number of rounds amd more double headers to get thru season quickly would be good idea amd then they have a few up their sleeve if uncle Dan steps in with lockdowns even despite saying he won’t now lol
Then they won’t need to go to top 4 finals and yes this is coming from a club that finished 6th lol but I’m not whinging And not crying over spilt milk like others here lol
I get it this year and why it happened was only option left and good on bigv for explaining it to our club easily and why we moved on pretty quick - unlike others here still harping on about being handed a championship in an unbalanced year and not to mention no finals even lol
Oops think I just triggered someone off in here no doubt lol my apologies but deal with it buddy it was the right call - bigv aren’t all about one club who’s undefeated mate it’s about all of us
Anon
Years ago
Vacuum lol - vaccination I meant
Thoughts on Dyson vacuums perhaps a new topic lol
If Big V admin promote any team this year they need to be sacked!
You cant go around stating NO Promotion / Relegation and then go ahead and do it because some clubs complained they didnt like it.
If there was a chance for promotion my club would have signed an import instead we saved the money as there was nothing to play for. Every club was told this.
Anon
Years ago
There might be clubs that can't even put teams on court next year if uncle Dan continues this lockdown sending everyone broke !!!!
So there would have to be a reshuffle in teams with some going up buddy what do you think they run with 8 team leagues ? That would be a joke -?need to have at least 10 teams I reckon in a division
Nothing is simple anymore buddy
That’s my COVID rant for the day after reading this could go on until end of year
Steph curry
Years ago
Agree who bloody knows if teams get promoted to make up good team numbers in a division great and so be it - clubs just need to suck this up if that occurs and will obviously need to happen !
What wouldn't be fair would be relegating senior teams based on this years results cause as you said some chose not to have imports and save cash and finished bottom as a result
Maybe time to come under nbl1 umbrella. BV could take a good look at Victoria structure, financially BV would be better off and the product would be consistent. Please if you work in the BV office at least talk about it. Come on Dean.
Beth Charles has left , so Jeff and Amellia (Media) only 2 in office plus the SRC. Dean and Nick Honey been making the Media Statements .
You simply cant promote team when you have said MULTIPLE times before the season that there is NO PROMOTION or RELEGATION.
It not fair to move the goal posts after the season.
Big V would lose ALL remaining credibility.
Moving teams up for the sake of numbers is also wrong!
Steph curry
Years ago
Ok let's go hypothetically with a 7 team division in one and 12 in the other
Doesn’t make sense to me ?
As long as they think those teams will be competitive going up then common sense would be 10 min I think in a division
Question is how do you decide who goes up?
Big V has said that they will not award a winner. This is based on the premise of things can happen in finals, therefore using their logic it is not possible to decide who should go up.
I'd be annoyed if my team finished say third on percentage and only the top 2 go up. There is not a fair way to do this unless you have finals.
Hate to say it but all competitions need to stay the same next year. No way around it if there is no finals and or grading games pre-season.
Why the need to go up? Write this season off and go again. Pretty easy I would have thought.
with the season being over and no moving up or down between leagues, what are everyone's thoughts on personal awards? mvp, all star 5 etc.. start a new thread for a change
Steph curry
Years ago
What I am getting at if you have a few that don't play cause of financials what do you do then ?
Can’t go round with a 7-8 team division I wouldn’t think ?
So naturally a couple would go up and I guess that would be based on historical stuff like 2019 results as well as 2021 and if they can afford to go up also and are a good operating club
We go are the clubs unable to put a team on the floor next year?
A few association wanting in maybe boot out those who can't afford / cry poor and bring in some new clubs.
Steph curry
Years ago
No idea buddy
But just I'm tipping with no income for associations with no one able to play basketball in the foreseeeable future cause it’s dangerous to play indoors apparently according to uncle Dan lol
Will be interesting to see if league delays everything like last year cause of Covid lockdowns with 2022 team nominations amd structures considering uncertainty still on when we open up and then decide 2022 stuff when everything is a bit clearer and associations know more on their situation early next year
I think they should cause who knows what lays ahead
Anonymous
Years ago
Who the hell knows anything anymore lol
Strange times we are living in I have doubts we will even be back next year in March the way we are going !!!! So may be no need to even enter our teams lol
Government are killing the sport and society !!!!!!
Big V admin have told my club no movement between divisions this year.
donotreach
Years ago
I think the Big V will hold firm on no movement, which I find crazy when I look at SCM & SCW, forget the other divisions this ''top'' division is stale and boring the bottom clubs and the size of the division means some fresh blood is needed. Keysborough should come up, does that mean other teams need to come up? Not sure. Don't relegate anyone but I think some promotion is needed.
^ obviously you are from Keysy.
No one outside of Keysy thinks they could or should play SCM.
Outsider here. Keys should go up. Only issue would be longevity , but western port went up with a team that could also go around in the masters leagues so it shouldn't be determining factor
T
Years ago
You cant say no promotion / relegation then promote Keysborough because they complained the loudest.
Either promote everyone or no one.
How would Keysie of gone this year with out the now famous future NBL1 star Lampkin?
Same as most of bigV when they don't bring an import in, not as good.
The only team to have an import & he happens to be the best player in that league by a country mile
W/O him RMIT are probably 30pt better side
donotreach
Years ago
RMIT beat Whittlesea & Sherbrooke without an import, in fact they were 6-0 before steve even played. And they did it with a kid who played U20s Metro for Eltham can't remember his name running point who had never played a senior game.
Well that's it the season is over.
So who wins 2022?? COVID again?
as much fun as it is reading these discussions, it is time to look towards 2022. congrats to Keys and RMIT for great seasons
Bahahahahhahahaha
Imagine the crying from Keysborugh now
Anonymous
Years ago
Well that's it folks
Done and dusted
Thank you Dan Andrews for more disappointment and inability to do anything !
Season 2022 who the hell knows if that will be even completed and/or started
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