Well done Spurs for turning down that laughable request

Plus we have Murray already who's a similar type of player, and at 24 may still yet blossom into an All Star himself.

Sixers asking far too much. Deliberate, in order to keep Simmons but on their terms not his?

Sixers anchoring the high end as a starting point, I think. Can't imagine Morey doesn't know what he's doing.

Might be throwing this sort of thing at a few teams early and wanting the trade leaked to influence things when they make a slightly more moderate proposal to the real targets.

Sixers asking far too much. Deliberate, in order to keep Simmons but on their terms not his?

Why so, Hoopie (serious, not sarcasm!)?

I hope Simmons goes for his own sake, after the ludicrous and fashionable chorus that Philadelphia having not won a championship yet, was because Simmons can't or won't shoot.

When you examine Philadelphia now compared to the team imagined under 'The Process', it's almost wholly unrecognisable.

Again, this lack of patience and false belief that Philadelphia should be drowning in championships by now in a conference that has equally entitled teams like Milwaukee and Brooklyn.

I'm not vague or naïve enough not to realise that what I've said is to do with the whole issue here, and I haven't attacked it from all the right angles.

But look, when Philly end up with an ageing guard, don't win a championship and find themselves with Joel Embiid surrounded by a shuffling of veterans unrecognisable to the vision of the earlier parts of their rebuild, they'll likely find themselves in the same situation as previous.

If nobody wants Simmons (at that price anyway), doesn't that give the Sixers leverage to say to Ben that he better shape up cos nobody wants him as he is, and he’s likely to be on reduced minutes anyway now that he’s been worked out and becomes more liability than asset?

If nobody wants Simmons (at that price anyway), doesn't that give the Sixers leverage to say to Ben that he better shape up cos nobody wants him as he is, and he's likely to be on reduced minutes anyway now that he’s been worked out and becomes more liability than asset?


Always been a liability , lot of hype has gone to his head , he will end up end of bench has been at this rate

Simmons ruined the relationship - imagine being a teammate and having this so called star selfishly cost you what is possibly your best shot at a title in one of the most wide open NBA playoffs in the modern era. Embiid and Doc were surprisingly restrained in the press conference.

They'd lose a hell of a lot of credibility if they have to drop too far from their high starting position. Be the joke of the year.

re; Only thought the other day, but Utah would be a great situation for Simmons, but can't see what jazz can offer

how about some time along-side of Jingles?

re; Only thought the other day, but Utah would be a great situation for Simmons, but can't see what jazz can offer

how about some time along-side of Jingles? They are both Point Forwards, same size(almost) and there's something else they share???????? Oh yes!

I'd say they're holding on their trade expectation until the point guard market dries up a bit more. A few are gone from the table today/

They'd be banking on a contender mortgaging their drafting future to add a piece from a shrinking pool, or a team grabbing him because he fits their timeline and they don't have anything else going on.

Trade speculation has remained tepid throughout, as it happens...

Sources: Ben Simmons tells team brass he no longer wants to be a Sixer and does not intend to report to training camp.

Sixers are in a tough spot. They want a star player in return, + extras

Most other clubs however will not give up a star for Simmons.

For instance. the Wolves are considered one of the most keen clubs. But who are they giving up for him? It's not going to be KAT, their only star. It won't be Edwards. So who?

The 76ers won't get a Lillard type for Simmons, so while they want a star to complement Joel, they might have to settle for a 'future' package, containing young player and draft picks.

Personally, I'd like to see GSW get creative.

What is they gave up Klay? Coming off two very significant injuries, he's not likely to get back to his best.

So, Simmons + Seth Curry, for Klay and Moody.

GSW get Simmons to take pressure off Steph and Seth to add shooting support (and bring the brothers together which would be cool).

76ers get Klay, who, if he is able to play, will really stretch the floor for Joel + Moody who is a first round pick with high scoring potential.

Saw comments saying that Draymond has played well with a non-shooter like Looney before, so could work alongside Simmons. But that's a lot to pay for a guy you use like Looney.

I think Curry and Klay have to be untouchable retire-as-Warriors. Draymond close enough to that as well.

If Simmons has expressed his demand to be traded and his refusal to return publicly then he should be punished by the league.

He has plummeted his value even more now by eroding the Sixer's bargaining position. Furthermore, he is acting like a Diva, who is going to give you top talent for that??

Ben is still an all-star calibre player but there are significant downsides in this deal.

Couple of questions.

How, if at all, has Brett Brown influenced Ben Simmons. Seems that there were no issues during that period.

"had his own people coach him till last season"! Did some-one forget to tell Simmons that b/ball is a team-game?

I think the suggestion was that Brett Brown coddled him. I imagine things have gone:

Season 1: He has been a great rookie, he'll improve his deficiencies.
Season 2: Scoring and percentages up a touch. Sophomore slump? He'll improve.
Season 3: We're on the cusp. He needs an off-season program, said he wants his own trainer, OK, I guess.
Season 4: This appears to be a serious problem. He lacks the internal drive and won't accept outside help to solve it.

Then the coach and star make strong remarks in the heat of the moment and completely alienate him. Can see how any issues might've been overlooked for this long.

Remember that he doesn't care if he tanks his value. He has his contract regardless. If anything, he doesn't want his destination team to give up too much in a trade as it weakens his new team and strengthens rivals. And weakening the 76ers position increases the variety of suitors; might mean that a team on the verge of competing gets him (Warriors, etc) rather than a team just trying to spillover into the play-offs (Wolves). Imagine getting to pick the Warriors and California over Minnesota or a small-market team.

He'll get fined. And he's indicated that he is happy to accept the fines rather than show up to trainings. Obviously has zero interest in the awkwardness it would entail.

As long as his behaviour doesn't affect future Aussie draft chances. Probably not, now I think about it, as there have been a number of divas over the years.

I know they won't do it, but I want to see morey and rivers do what pat riley did to lebron when he sulked after that first year in miami I believe of basically 'we’re paying you a lot of money to play basketball, we’re not trading you so grow the fuck up and play’