One of the messages picked up from the info session from JJ's last week was that they are now intending to get the next star....Roth had previously said they wouldn't.

Can hope it is Daniels.

He has signed with G League Ignite

That was ridiculous timing between the start of the thread and Daniels announcing he has signed to G League!

There's your answer scout

Yep quick response KET, some in the know here.

Any other Aussie/kiwis prospects besides Daniels that may sign in NBL?

Anon - 195 not sure this is true.

Would have gotten heaps of opportunity on a shit team like Adelaide.
Good luck to him in the G League if he does well others may follow.
Doesn't bode well for the Next Star program.

This signing isn't the end of the world for next stars just as LaMelo Ball didn't necessarily certify the ongoing success of the program. But I think it's important that the program takes players who are somewhat ready for the NBL and puts them on teams that can justify giving them minutes and coaches willing to do so. Mojave King wasted his time with Cairns as he was ready to go but the coach didn't trust him. Terry Armstrong is a guy who maybe should never have been picked up.

Mojave Ķing still gets another go at Cairns.
Hopefully the new coach has faith in him.

"Why put yaself amongst 12+ guys fighting for the same thing?"

Confidence, over-confidence, money, ego, ....? Lots of "why's"!

He just may figure that to show his skills v his opponents, he's a cert.

And in LaMelo's case, it would not have been difficult to reason that he looked good cos of what he had around him.

In fact, the only opp he had here was Hampton and Didi. While LaMelo's stocks went up, Hampton's went down. Guess Didi's outcome was fairly neutral.

1 in 3 up
1 in 3 down
1 in 3 neutral
*Terrence Who(was Armstrong or Anderson)? Doesn't Matter.

Who and how good is Dyson Daniels (for his name's sake, I hope he doesn't suck)?

He will expect to get noticed a lot more in the G league, given the greater publicity and viewing audience around it.

As long as it's not another case of an agent over-selling the opportunity

I think a lot of people overselling the NBL here.

He's going to a league and system that is literally set up to develop players for the NBA and will have NBA eyes on him at all times, but he'd get more notoriety playing halfway round the world? Right.

Its cute that people think anyone outside of Australia cares about the NBL

Yes.

Would Hampton have fallen out of the lottery if he played Ignite?

We could play this game all day. How's Terry Armstrong doing?

You can argue the merits of each path all you like, but suggesting that playing in the NBA development league, for the team specifically set up to provide elite talent with a pathway to the NBA is a worse option for being seen than playing for a terrible team in the NBL - or NOT playing for a good team - or worse still, like Mojave King - not playing for a bad team - is absurd.

If King was at the Ignite team, even if he wasnt playing he'd have eyeballs on him.

People have seen the NS success with their eyes

I never said Hampton's draft stock dropped due to the NBL, I was simply countering the idea that some people seem to have at how obvious it is that being in the NBL is better for your draft stock. Its not. #316 is right here in that its individual choice and every situation is different.

I also never said the NBL isn't a respectable league. My greater point is that it shouldnt matter what anyone outside thinks of it, it just has to be the best league in Australia. Putting guys on the floor for clicks and buzz at the expense of competition integrity doesnt help that.

" the players recruited to the NBA from there have been decent, except Terrance Ferguson"

Bowen?

" Putting guys on the floor for clicks and buzz" you mean effective marketing that attracts attention of casual viewers who provide an increase in crowds and associated revenue; and effective marketing that attracts sponsors who provide an increase in revenue?

You've haven’t really made any coherent argument to support your starting position of “I don’t like the NS program”, and you haven’t spent any brain power to appreciate the business aspect of it and their target market and how they get revenue and attract the right sponsors.

“I don’t like that clicky clacky thing and all those fancy people bringing in buzz”

I also think it's hard to criticise when a lot of the NS players are clearly better and more productive than a whole swathe of players in the league.

36ers were better with Giddey, Kings were better with Louzada, Hawks were better with Jessup, Ball, NZ with Hampton.

Do you actually think Ball and Jessup were the worst players on their respective teams?

Why is it Balls fault that Hawks broader team had injuriy to their top import and a general bad team?

Didn't he get close to MVP?

They didn’t take minutes away from better players. They didn’t play time they didn’t deserve.

The teams were better for those players.

Same as Giddey - not his fault 36ers didn’t make playoffs. The team was better with him on the floor, the team was better the more minutes he provided.

Can’t go around criticising players that make their team better.

Spot on, Anon, with this:

But look at where it got Terry Armstrong.
He would have benefitted from going to college and developing more slowly.

I've thought of him as a dud, but what you wrote makes sense. Should not have thought of himself as a one-and-done prospect in the first place.

"" Putting guys on the floor for clicks and buzz" you mean effective marketing that attracts attention of casual viewers who provide an increase in crowds and associated revenue; and effective marketing that attracts sponsors who provide an increase in revenue?"

Didn't the Hawks go broke? Yeah, thats some cash cow there.

Hawks issues existed before Ball - talk about bad faith argument.

Didn't they receive extra revenue via improved sponsorship?

Just because Ball didn’t solve their entire issues it’s a fail?

Do you think the NBL doesn’t gain revenue wise out of the program?

The above is right one size doesn’t fit all, not all will work well here, but the program has been a success from a talent perspective and a revenue perspective and a marketing perspective.

Nobody says the program solves all the problems, it’s not going to solve word peace. But if you expect it to, to have a positive view on it, then you’re being frankly ridiculous.

Thats quite a word salad.

Hawks crowds got even worse with Ball didnt they? Might have had something to do with spending all of their money on a guy who wasnt ready to help them win. Not really a way to engage locals.

But it got some buzz for the league, so thats obviously worth a team going broke.

WTF - how did having Ball send Hawks broke?

What world do you live in? Is it one where Simmons plays for Australia?

Hawks pay Ball the money they could have paid an import to help them win.

Hawks fans see a team not built with any intention towards winning, rather giving an 18 year old free reign to put up numbers on a bad team

Hawks fans stay away

Hawks go bust.

Fantastic mental gymnastics you went through.

Only problem is NBL pays the wage, club pays accomodation/expenses.

They had a good import, he got injured

Love how Hawks have struggled for years, but it was Balls fault because they were magically going to be fine if Ball never existed.

Next Stars are bad, mkay?

No mental gymnastics. They put a team on the floor that did not appeal to locals and they voted with their feet.

"Only problem is NBL pays the wage"

Do they? This seems to change depending on who you ask and depending on the narrative. Do you still believe the NS players are getting only 100k too?

" They put a team on the floor that did not appeal to locals and they voted with their feet. "

The locals hadn't been supporting the Hawks for years - the Hawks were constantly in trouble and getting bailed out prior.

The constant is Illawarra, not Ball.

But you’re blaming Ball anyway because that makes you feel better.

“ Do they?”

Yes, they do.

Yeah, NBL probably can't compete from a financial aspect to the G League

"But you're blaming Ball anyway because that makes you feel better."

I'm not blaming Ball at all. I'm blaming the league administration for a system that values marketing buzz over competition integrity.

And where is this amazing marketing getting the league? a deal where most of the games will be shown on Stan Sport with their 75,000 nationwide subscribers.

Cram, you cannot argue the Hawks issues are because of NS program.

The Hawks issues are because of Illawarra - they had problems before the NS program was even a thought bubble.

You've been around long enough to know what's going on KET

Cram hates Larry cos he rebranded the Tigers, so naturally this means the entire NBL administration hasn't done a single thing right since then

"Cram, you cannot argue the Hawks issues are because of NS program."

Not all of them, sure. But it was certainly the final nail in the coffin.

"Cram hates Larry cos he *killed* the Tigers"

Fixed, otherwise, true.

"so naturally this means the entire NBL administration hasn't done a single thing right since then"

There's plenty of reasons to dislike the way the league is being run, which I've been clear on for a long time and comes down to reduced opportunities for local players and unsustainable spending.

I've been complimentary where it was warranted. There just hasnt been that many instances of that (nor was there in the previous admin, or the one before that etc)

" There just hasnt been that many instances of that"

Plenty, obviously you have an inherent sooky bias about your precious Tigers name.

Tigers divided opinions and meant a single team in Victoria couldn't capture a broader market - with only one team at the time the logic is clear.

The risk of offending a few over sensitives to gain a lot of new supporters makes sense.

It would be like Port Adelaide being the only AFL side in SA. There would be a whole lot of fans alienated away - it made sense to start with an amalgamation team and then expand.

Yep, I've heard it all before. End of the day the incredible businessman LK couldnt figure out how to market the oldest club in the country with the most recognisable player in league history as its main ambassador. What a guy

" couldnt figure out"

Who says it was worth figuring out? I don't think Australians care about the Tigers name as much as you think they should.

I don’t think the worlds best marketer could make Norwood or Sturt or Glenelg fans support Port Adelaide.

Given Phoenix are now here, it would've been better to keep the Tigers.

All the Tigers haters have somewhere to go ie: "South East" Phoenix, but the former Tigers lovers who couldn't stomach "United" (Eg: Cram and others I know) are now left in the lurch.

Keeping Tigers AND bringing in Phoenix would've had everybody happy. United and Phoenix obviously does not.

I guess in LK's defense back in 2014 he wasn't certain there ever would be a Phoenix, he couldn't foresee exactly how the next 5 years would pan out. It was no doubt in the back of his mind, but a possibility rather than a certainty.

And I say all of that as somebody who didn't mind the rebranding from Tigers to United, and retained my club membership throughout the first few years

Pretending that a state footy league - up until 30 years ago the top tier in the state - is the same as the Melbourne Tigers having junior programs is a common theme brought up. This idea that people who hate the Tigers at Junior or State league wont follow them. Sure, I'm sure there's a few. Thats what *insert other team here* is for. But relatively few people give a crap about state league or junior league basketball and there's a world of other potential fans who don't play rep or care about it.