Broekhoff and Magnay have both failed dismally at living up to the expectations.

The way I see it is he basically didn't play a competitive game for an entire year. I'm assuming he comes good next season but no way you take him to an Olympics with this type of form.

Calm ya farm - he would be fine in a Boomers squad.

Boomers don't need him to create looks or get himself into it, they will have structures that someone like Broekhoff will benefit from and we know can execute.

Especially if we have Simmons playing and Mills delivering.

He will be able to do his job as a sharpshooter.

International basketball is closer to Euro than NBL - important factor to consider.

As I said in another thread the other day you can't pick Broekhoff after the terrible season he's just had. He also is a weak defender so if we need a marksman who can contribute elsewhere if his shot isn't falling got to pick Gliddon over him.

" As I said in another thread the other day you can't pick Broekhoff after the terrible season he's just had."

Sure you can, when you have the option to select one of the best three point shooters in the world, you do.

If we punished shooters for being inconsistent, we wouldn't select the ultra consistent Ingles who had some absolute shocker shooting percentages compared to Broekhoff.

You don’t discard someone who can deliver 50% from three in Euroleague standard because of a small stint of not playing well.

Sure you can, when you have the option to select one of the best three point shooters in the world, you do.

If we punished shooters for being inconsistent, we wouldn't select the ultra consistent Ingles who had some absolute shocker shooting percentages compared to Broekhoff.

You don't discard someone who can deliver 50% from three in Euroleague standard because of a small stint of not playing well.

" He's not even close to being one of the best 3pt shooters"

Ofcourse he is, he makes a living shooting threes in the best leagues in the world.

If you're living in a world where you think only the NBA has world class shooters, you haven’t watched international basketball.

“ He would be playing in a better league than the NBL if he was.”

He has spent his life playing Euroleague - that not good enough? He came from the NBA a few months ago!

“ You do when he's given us 18 games worth to consider and a similarly talented shooter”

Not similarly talented. Broekhoff in bad form is similar to Gliddon having a great form.

The only thing the stint tells us is Broekhoff doesn’t work in the SEM offence setup.

Shock horror, from a guy who played in Europe for structured sides.

Boomers aren’t SEM. It’s a different style and level of basketball that we know Broekhoff is capable of. We don’t know Gliddon is.

What a silly risk that would be to discard Broekhoff!

All we've really learned is that if you get a good shooter, stick him in the corner, and do nothing with him, he won't get many shots up.

This is obvious to literally anyone who understands basketball.

The Phoenix actually ran plays for him for five minutes in Illawarra, and he went off. Haven't done it since.

Magnay is the one to be concerned about - he had to come back to the NBL and make a strong argument for a Boomers roster spot and I don't think he has.

Not only a strong argument, realistically he had to have a blinder of a stint Nick Kay style.

" The Phoenix actually ran plays for him for five minutes in Illawarra, and he went off. Haven't done it since."

And there are few players in the world better at delivering the ball than Simmons (if he plays) - if the Boomers want to avoid 76ers troubles, they'll surround Simmons with sharpshooters.

Broekhoff hasn't been very good at all, but the comments to replace him with Gliddon are absolutely laughable. Broekhoff has the NBA and international experience where he has excelled. If we want to take players based on form then Blanchfield is the one you take your over all the scorer/shooter currently playing in the NBL.

You'd have to smoking some power crack to suggest taking Gliddon.

I was disappointed with his season as well to be honest. Had a handful of really good games but was pretty inconsistent. Will still get the nod for Boomers selection based on his spot up shooting ability though. Will need shooters to put around Simmons.

My question is who makes backup C position?

Let's say we have an out of form Baynes, and Kay, Landale as our three bigs.

Who is the fourth?

Under appreciated thread title btw

As I said in another thread recently, Dave Barlow doesn't usually put up great numbers in SEABL/NBL1

Yet I bet some people watching SEABL have wondered how he was such an accomplished NBL player and why he's played plenty for the Boomers.

Same logic applies to Landale and Tyler Harvey (Semi final notwithstanding) Harvey for the regular season at least probably looked comparably good to Landale. But does anyone think Harvey is any chance of NBA? Probably not. Is Landale a chance? Absolutely.

^ eg this might be analogous to the comparisons between Blanchfield/Gliddon and Broekhoff.

The lesson being certain skillsets and certain players thrive in different styles of basketball where different roles are required.

On bigs, Humphries would be under consideration I'd hope.

I am a fan of Broekhoff and was excited when I heard that he was coming to the NBL in preparation for the Boomer's campaign. He was a lock, then. Not now!

Some of what I read above suggests strongly that running plays for him is the answer. Didn't Mitchell realise that. A HC in the NBL who doesn't recognise how to get a genuine Aussie star going in a league where he should dominate his position. He even has the means of delivery (to Broekhoff) through Gliddon, Adman, Le afa, Creek and especially that assists machine Sykes. Yet, he underachieved in the NBL.

I know it's a mute point now but if Cotton was avail, he's that man. We now know that he's not.

Ingles v Broekhoff, as a shooter. Ingles.

Let's also look at the selections of Brian Gurujian who has already shown that he may recruit on reputation but will change his mind when "forced" to. When his marquee player(s) weren't up to it, he let them go. Broekhoff has to depend on his choice. And, because Gurujian is Gurujian, he will certainly do something out-of-the-box. He may even suit up himself. Anyone remember that he was a sharp-shooter of the highest order?

I am also concerned over Baynes. I admit that I don't go looking for news on all my faves in the NBA but I hear nothing of him. Has he been playing minutes, how has his form been, of late? Is he still a lock for Boomers?

Simmons
Mills
Ingles
Thybulle
Delly
Banes
Broekhoff
Landale
Kay

Would be locks surely?

Leaves us with 3 positions to fill I think?

We're looking at coming up against the likes of Gobert, Jokic, Sabonis, Valanciunas and Gasol in Tokyo. Are Landale and Kay able to contain them? does this add a question mark over these guys being "locks"? Hard take without Bogut but you would have to assume that Maker and Humphries get a little more of a look just in the hope they can slow those guys down.

Thankyou KET for not naming Maker as a lock.
Too many people think he is good.

That's where Baynes is so important.

Could go Humphries as a backup C if his body is up to it.

Completely agree with the above.

We would love for all our players to be in peak form heading into Olympics, unfortunately that won't be the case for more than a couple of players.

The Ibek-Way, you write, "We're looking at coming up against the likes of Gobert, Jokic, Sabonis, Valanciunas and Gasol in Tokyo. Are Landale and Kay able to contain them?

Maybe not. Not sure that any of our Boomers can contain everyone in their respective positions and on that point (respective positions), aren't both Landale and Kay 4's while all the Euro's you mentioned are flat out 5's? So what we need is Landale and Kay as 4's and someone to help Baynes at the 5.

That's where Humph/Maker/JLA/Motum etc may be useful.

We do have to include the best that WE have. Who IS better than Landale and Kay as 4's?

Ket's roster were all our best from the WC's except for Simmons and Thybulle. Can those 2 and Gurujian take us from 4th at the WC's to Gold at the Olympics? A medal, I definitely see! For a real chance at Gold we still need an INFORM Broekhoff. Who's it gonna be? In-form Broekhoff, out-of-form Broekhoff or someone else, in that all-important shooter's role?

He really had very little time to get any rhythm or true fitness behind him. Don't discount how important that is for performance.

PG: Simmons/Delly
SG: Mills/Broekhoff/Goulding
SF: Ingles/Thybulle
PF: Landale/Kay
C: Baynes/Humphries

1 more spot up for grabs?

Great post #900.

I wondered what was up when he flew in and sat out the first couple of games, even after training with the team.

In hindsight, appears his body and fitness was just nowhere near ready.

No gold for the Green and Gold then

I guess my point, RobT, is while you are correct about Kay and Landale being 4's at that level, I question if they may not be locks as BG considers players that may bring more defence to that position. Most of the top teams have stars at those big spots while we do not. So do we bring Landale, who may be the bet we have at that spot but defensivly so-so and Kay who is undersized or do we bring someone like Maker who may be able to play a little more defence at that 4 spot?

I don't have answers, just posing questions but you are right, we don't have many options

btw, I believe that Motum is more of a 3-4 and is notorious for his poor defence so not really the answer

I think you rely on Baynes and have Humphries as a backup C to provide a second big body.

Broekhoff is a SF/PF; Thybulle I think is a SG.

For your two last spots is it worth taking two of Green, Giddey, Magnay? Get that youth experience in?

Simmons, Dellavedova
Mills,
Ingles,
Landale, Motum/Kay (definitely 1 possibly both).
Baynes, Humphries

3 spots remaining, maybe 4 if Motum or Kay don't go.

Shortlist for remaining spots in no particular order...
Thybulle
Broekhoff
Sobey
Goulding
Giddey.

Exum highly unlikely.

* I forgot Green but Sobey and Goulding are ahead for mine.

I like the idea of taking someone like Giddey in the last spot as he's our future after this bunch. Guys like Sobey and Creek have had their shot, covered when we needed them, but aren't going to help win games now, or be there in the future.

I had forgotten about Motum so I'd want to squeeze him in. Tough call when it gets down to the last spots.