Yep pretty poor considering it's Monday and it’s starts Thursday.
Don’t worry about giving families time to organise themselves.
Have to wonder what they’re thinking and doing!?

I' am new to this, is anybody able to please share a link?

Agreed. A link would be great
I've googled and tried basketball sa website and couldn’t locate.

Why is it poor? Div 1 teams all knew they were in it. Schedule could not be released until seedings were done. Seedings couldn't be done until after the last round, which was only last Friday.

Honestly, I'm not a fan of BSA either, but some of you just look for reasons to complain.

It is poor. Nothing stopping them sorting this all over the weekend. Most Div 1 teams train on Sundays, if they had any concept of how to service members at a high level they would have had the fixture available then.

Given the draw isn't home and away the fixture itself could have been done weeks ago and the teams just dropped in. So there's no excuse for such a delay.

Oh and the Pool seedings have been done incorrectly, just what we'd expect from such an unqualified staff.

Explain your concept of incorrectly.

Not to your liking does not equal incorrectly.

Seriously, quit complaining. You must be a real drag in person.

Incorrectly meaning there's a way to seed for two pool competitions that creates the best outcome come finals.

They have not done this. It isn't personal like all BSA staff always think it is. It's just facts. If you knew how to seed you would already have been able to work that out for yourself.

540 if you knew that seedings had been done the way they were this year, for many many years until relatively recently, then you wouldn't have so much egg on your face.

There is a good reason for reverting back to this way but with your blinkers on it's too hard for you to see, so there's no point.

Good luck with your future complaining champ.

So you know they're wrong but had a go. Sounds right. Thanks for the feedback BSA but they're not corrected, they're wrong. Wasn't a recent change, was a change made 3 Comp Managers ago because it created the correct Semi Final match ups. This system does not. Sorry but that's the best outcome.

543 what are you on about? No they're not wrong at all. They both create the same semi final matchups. Comprehension is not a strong point with you is it?

Whinge, whinge, whinge...give it up will you?

I'm not whinging, I'm pointing out that there's an error. One you also don't seem to understand. As you're probably from BSA or connected to BSA Staff that doesn't at all surprise me.

What exactly is the error?

Looks right to me.

Pool 1: 1,4,5,8,9
Pool 2: 2,3,6,7,10

550, for the millionth time, there is no error. Give it a rest.
No I'm not from BSA or connected with them at all. I just get sick of the negativity that people like you seem to enjoy putting out there.

The change (reverting back to how it used to be - NOT an error) has no bearing on semi-final matchups. You are making no sense.

I'll leave you to it champ. You can complain to yourself from here on.

#847551 So with Pools as you've listed, assuming teams win games as per their seed, Tell me who plays who come SFs.

Correct,

It should be;

1,3,6,7,10
2,4,5,8,9

That way 4 and 5 play to make semi-finals, while 3 only has to beat 6.
Then 1 plays 4 and 2 plays 3 in semi finals.

Now I have no idea what change 552 is even refering to.

#551 is correct.

No he's not. That's what they have done but that's not how the pools should be seeded. Which would have been resolved prior to the tournament if BSA released details publicly.

555 the flip side is that there is no reward for finishing first, as you have a harder pool game (v3) than team 2 has (v4). Yes 1 also gets 6 rather than 5 but there is a trade off either way.

There is no right or wrong way, it's just two different ways of doing it.

Both have been used by BSA in the past.

So now the #1 seed has the harder SF. Which is much more important than the pool game. WHich they can still get through by beating everyone else. Lose the SF and they're done. Hence the easier SF is more important. BSA has it wrong.

Further question is, does this mean that there will be a state champ later in the year? Or do the d2 teams miss out this year?

This isn't a State Champs. There's no awards, no trophies.

Purely an event for seeding for U14 Nationals and Classics.

If State Champs goes ahead, it will be later in the year.

Is it planned to go ahead?

Surely it would already be in the yearly calendar.

What yearly calendar? Current admin don't provide one anymore, if they even have one which is unlikely.

How does losing 2 weekends in September fit with the Finals, Change of season, etc? Or will they be playing other games over those weekends?

Also breaking State Champs over two weekends has been tried before. It was a disaster. No atmosphere at all. Scrapped very quickly. Why try things again that failed the first time?

Isn't it concerning that we have to change the whole system becuase the person in charge of Comps failed to develop enough referees? There still won't be enough, the referee talent pool over the past 5 years has dried up completely, they only care about the few at the top.

So there will be a lack of referees and the split weekend event will be a terrible experience for those involved. No explanation to the question regarding the yearly schedule either and how turning a one weekend event into 3 weekends affects junior basketball across all divisions and domestic competitions.

Sounds like a winner to me.

Truth,

Problem with your assertion is that even though state champs is split over two weekends it is spilt by age groups. In other words an age group will still play all its games over one weekend and on the next weekend it will be a different age group.

So now I have no idea why we have state champs

#810 they don't even care about the few at the top

Truth

North doing something dodgy? Well there's a surprise.

Truth, exemptions have regularly been made for those with higher-level commitments to play in tournaments like State Champs (Sturt in 2020) and Classic (Forestville in 2019). I'm pretty sure it was even explicitly stated in the by-laws pre-covid.

What exactly is dodgy about a club junior coming home from the CoE to represent their club? Would you be okay with it if he played Classic with them too?

850, what is the point though if he won't play the Classic anyway?

Who said he ain't playing classics

Truth, I'm talking about CoE players that were granted exemptions to play in those tournaments i.e. they otherwise didn't meet the qualification requirements, like the player you're posting about. I won't be naming names for obvious reasons, but it isn't rocket science to figure out who. Nobody raised an eyebrow in these cases, which makes your outrage quite curious.

I'm interested to know how you know "the player is very unlikely to play for them at Nationals should they qualify."

What on earth does his history of state representation have to do with this anyway? You've lost the plot mate.

No North u18 hey

North will make it due to their returning player in 18 Boys. Centrals won't.

Eastern in 16 Boys? lol

North 18 Boys are realistically 5 or 6 with the team they had in summer. Probably 1 or 2 with the player from CoE.

Truth, no 18 year olds play State Champs to start with.

Second some teams will still potentially play 3 games in one day. They will play over one weekend. Then have a weekend off. Like everyone else will.

So the vast majority of players have to sit out 3 weekends now for a few to play in an event spread over 3 weekends because BSA Management have mismanaged the one group they are responsible for, referees.

Still results from last night not available. IT Issues?

Maybe BSA need to go back to the days of fax machines and hand written results on the wall.

Anyone seen any surprise results so far?

No update of result since 8:30am. They just don't get it. It's not their fault, they are employed to do a job they don't understand how to do well.

Such a shame.

Hard to talk about results when they are updated so infrequently.

North out in 16 & 18 boys?

I think the website requires manual upload from a staff member whereas the app shows results straight from the tablets. I'm pretty sure a CSO told me this for our social games, guess its the same for all sportstg websites.

U18B Pool A looks like most likely Norwood and Forestville at the top and Woodville and Southern top of pool B

For all their talk on here only 1 North boys team will make top 4.

2 girls teams, huge upset North beating Forestville in 18 Girls

8-10 hours later and the morning results are finally updated on Sports TG.

Lol about $1k. People live in a parallel universe to believe that

Parallel universe? Go check CAN-ADE return flights. $700-$1000 is what it costs.

Small change compared to the money wasted on the man overseeing the downfall.

Will probably post a separate thread since IMO it needs to be talked about and is a genuine topic, but the above comments about North are true. Gone from being dominant in a few consecutive age groups in boys to being not just also rans, to not even being in the race. However they spun it, Adam Todd not coaching the 16 boys anymore and bringing in some big talking cowboys to 16s and 18s has proven disastrous. Add the senior teams and Houston, we have a problem!

Truth
No real surprise with Sturt, the current 18 boys have been over rated for years. They are mid table at best
Rockets are a surprise, got a lot expert coaches around the teams but the results have disappeared

Questions will be asked, North have stacked the coaching ranks, Flynn Jantke Vivian are all state level coaches.

337
"big talking cowboys"!
Obviously not a fan?

Three state players out, and two that had quit recently. I don't hold a stake in this, but that seems like a fair reason for supposedly under-performing.

Shows more the level of state coaches than anything else. And obviously not a fan with them waltzing in and thinking they know everything. Just wander to whatever is most talented age group and take credit. For 18s to end up where they did shows what a mistake north did, and fall for his bullshit. Probably telling everyone he's in line for Kings job.

Three state players out, and two that had quit recently.

Five players out altogether? Not true. Even so they would have almost certainly gone through ahead of Tigers at full strength.

The rumours are a lot of unhappy players in that U18 group.

Surely if it's at the point that players are quitting questions are being asked about what’s going on.

"Five players out altogether? Not true. Even so they would have almost certainly gone through ahead of Tigers at full strength. "

One player quit after U18 Nationals, another hasn't played since, and three others from their team didn't play this weekend (I believe all due to injury).

Get your fingers out and count again.

"The rumours are a lot of unhappy players in that U18 group."

Heard that too. I'm just pointing out that the talent deficit explains the underperformance. They might have been justified in quitting.

My quick take from the weekend: Haven't taken into account players missing, injuries etc.

1. Norwood - Clearly best Club of the weekend. 7 of 8 teams made Finals. 3 winners. Program is producing elite teams and individuals.

2. Sturt - Not the club it used to be. Gaps in the program, issues within certain teams. Boys disappointed but Girls did better than expected. Still for any other club's standard they had a very good weekend. 5 of 8 made finals. 2 winners.

3. Eastern - About as expected based on Summer, good program without a lot of fuss or grandstanding. Solid result with only a few gaps, not much depth however but as this was only for Div 1 didn't impact. 4 of 8 finals teams. 1 Winner.

4. Forestville - U18 teams had surprising results. 14/16 Girls continue to impress. Still worrying signs, especially in boys and younger ages. 3 of 8 finals, 1 winner.

5. Woodville - Boys program on the rise. Girls program continues to be a major issue. Fantastic results across the Boys teams highlighted by the U18 Boys GF win. 3 of 8 finals, 1 winner.

6. North - Not where the Club has been in recent years and this weekend's result would probably surprise many, but in reality they were carried by a few very age brackets. Some concerns that need to be addressed by their new "Basketball Consultant" among rumblings for the past 6 months about clashing personalities. 3 of 8 made finals. 0 winners

7. Centrals - Lots of gaps in their program overall, good to see 12 girls make finals given the club's history in this age group/division. Lacking the very elite boys (and rare girls) of recent times. Lots of work required to build the talent pool and depth across all age groups. 2 of 8 Finalists. 0 winners.

7. West - Generally around the mark in a number of age groups/divisions but only managed 2 of 8 finalists. 16 girls struggled to keep up with summer results in what is however an even top of the table. Boys program showing some signs of promise but still has a fair bit of work to go, and been well overtaken by their close rivals. 0 winners.

9. South - Disappointing weekend, continue to struggle despite huge numbers in the club. As with their fellow southern suburbs neighbours appear to be investing heavily in Seniors at the expense of juniors. A number of teams were way off the mark. 2 of 8 finalists. 0 winners.

9. Southern - Some surprising results actually but that only highlights where this Club's junior program is currently, to still be equal bottom of the list. Both clubs need major new blood and investment in elite programs. Given the history of Tigers this is a significant fall from grace for the once power club of the 90s.

*South 1 of 8 Finalists.

371 incorrect, but as you just think you are right I'll leave you to it.

Great write up 374.

I think clashing personalities is putting it mildly at North. They are not in good shape at all, a major fall from the top.

374 - I just choked on my coffee when I read that about Norwood. A long way off producing elite teams and individuals. Had a good weekend but lets not forget its 9 games in to the year and this tournament takes place. The true test of this Norwood statement will be the Classics weekend and as the year continues and players get settled. Covid has brought about some strange timings. Good luck to Norwood though but lets not get too far ahead.

379 what a weak response. Sour grapes with that coffee?

Drinks coffee at 11pm while reading Hoops. Proceeds to spill it all over his keyboard, but only proceeds to clean up after he does a post bagging Norwood.

I'm a non Norwood person but you have to give them credit, they are rolling.

Been a lot of nasty injuries for this Sturt u18 group over the years, stress fracture stuff, a couple of players finished for good, bad coincidence or alarming trend? Interesting as they make their way into seniors, the 2 best prospects are the big they poached from Norwood and the tall ginger haired Lad they left in div4 for 3 seasons.

Truth,

Keep writing stuff. Some people may believe you but you are wide of the mark on some items

The cost to North of getting this player back

Truth
You are on the money.
387
Will this make it easier? What club is the BSA HP Manager from? What club are the over rated players from? Actually what club are 65-70% of all SA State players, reserves and Coaches from?
Join the dots and the answer should be clear as a "blue" sky!

I think I said some items. Not all. Truth needs to change his name to Half Truths

Was a waste. The kid only played the 2 games in which he fouled out in the second quickly.

405 Sturt didn't qualify for the 14 16 18 boys,
They were just about the best junior boys program in the country, those days are now a distant memory it seems.

Sturt will probably get the wildcard entry in 16s I would presume, and were very unlucky in 18s. Even with all their injuries their two losses were by 3 points, including a crazy buzzer beater.

Their ten boys coming thru are solid, and Jason Williams is doing their JDO/Coaching Director role now, who will have them humming. Still a very strong club.

Half Truth

Who says North paid. As usual you are guessing

I'm just reading this and not even completely sure who this is about. Truth why are you so obsessed with this issue? What is your actual point if you have one.

Good work Truth. You got a lot of time on your hands. Good luck with all your inquiries.

Half Truth. You seriously have an issue.

I think many coaches have done this in the past for State Champs. I don't think there is anything to see here. The players in question, both past and present, felt they were aligned to help and were prepared to help their junior club out.

I think many coaches have done this in the past for State Champs. I don't think there is anything to see here. The players in question, both past and present, felt they were aligned to help and were prepared to help their junior club out.

Warrior
Yes this particular Sturt group have been plagued by injury over the years. Not sure if it's because they weren’t getting results so the training loads went up. Got to be very careful how hard young growing bodies are pushed, stress fractures in backs etc are terrible for players and families to deal with.
It’s great for clubs to strive to win and compete hard, but surely enjoyment, learning the game, skill development and friendships are the primary focus of junior sport?

The North kid, didn't move on. He's still a member of North Adelaide. He's taken up a development opportunity which unfortunately is interstate. All CoE and Global Accademy players go home and play for their local club when they can.

In regards to cost there would be no requirement for him to pay fees as he didn't play or train over summer. He would have to be registered with BSA which costs approx $25 right? Hardly a costly exercise.

Truth your targeting of this kid who simply played in a tournament for his own club is appalling. You should be an adult and show some maturity. At least understand this is very common.

Well said. The lack of knowledge by Truth is just as appalling

I don't think one single post has targeted the player. They are aimed at club, team and coach. Did any of the other kids away get flown back just to try and qualify team, and if it is so common, name some of these players who would no longer be juniors. There are only a handful of players selected for COE or nba academy each year, of that, most are too old for 18s. So I suggest you look up the term, very common. A better term is very rare.

A decision he and his family would make with the advice of his Academy coach. Not randoms on a public forum.

Truth I hope your criminal enquiry about some kid wanting to come back for a game with his junior club is harnessing the desired results. Keep up the amazing work you are doing, champ/chump. Way too much time on your hands.

What happened if he did his ACL at some meaningless scrimmage at training in Canberra. Or he injured himself at some meaningless national tournament. What is meaningless and what isn't. Should he not walk across the road to say hi to some meaningless person. Should state squad members not train for state team before any tournament. Where do you draw the line.

Truth - what was wrong about the decision from the club?

No one was cut from the team for him.

In fact one of their SA Metro u18s players missed the tournament through injury.

If I had a 7 footer at NBA Global who was a junior at my club I would want him to play as well.

The decision didn't bite them on the backside.

If they didn’t make top 4 with him then they wouldn’t have made it without him.

Also fact they didn’t make top 4 avoids any argument that the only reason they did was by fielding a player that hadn’t played during summer.

But so important to remember it has been just a modified 9 game summer season anyway.

No rules were broken and NBA Global are keen for players to play club champs where possible.

Pretty sure Giddey played for Tigers at Classics a couple of years ago despite being at NBA Global.

Truth you have posted issues about flights. There are normally many posts on Hoops about how clubs spend money on NBL1 and not juniors. Also don’t these kids get flights home from Canberra to visit family anyway? Is that really a big issue?

How did you get 1 in Southern for boys?

What is going on at North Adelaide?

Results close but no.

Norwood 26
Sturt 16
Eastern 10
Forestville 9
Woodville 8
North 5
Centrals 4
West 4
South 3
Southern 3

536, lots of unhappy club members asking the same thing.

Whilst I for one would agree regarding redirection. We should be looking at the growth of clubs like Melbourne rather than further limiting positions.

The has been one merger previously and that hasn't worked out so well.

How about BSA start with simple rules for pro/rel at D1 and D2 level along with club requirements for membership and governance and let the market decide.

Are you serious. He stills sees himself as a North junior and wanted to help his friends and teammates out. This type of thing has gone back as far as I can recall. Jacob Holmes to Sturt is an early example. People say it's not common but I argue it is common for kids who do make it to Canberra.

If you are so aggrieved with your assertion of the coach’s behaviour why not discuss it with him. You know where to find him or does your courage disappear when you don’t have your keyboard

Why are getting so upset champ? Well, not a champ being involved with North.
He has left the club for bigger and better things, may want to play with mates, but he hasn't been there all season. If he was so passionate, he could always have turned down scholarship.
As for Flynn, if he doesn't know what he did wrong, maybe at one of his overpriced camps he should have an ethics class and sit at the front and take notes.

614 Reckon the move to Canberra was the right one, he's just been named in the Emus squad!

Well 617, you can't have everything. Either go to academy or stay and play with mates. Simple, both feet in, not one in each camp. But a few powerbrokers would have been in his ear, mainly the coach.

Actually, whilst you can't do everything. There are times you can do multiple things and numerous players have had the opportunities to attend the COE/NBAGA and play for their club.

I say it's a great way to allow someone who isn't getting significant game time to get out and play.

If the CoE/NBAGA coaches believe that it is a good idea for the player, then who are you to argue? And yes, they would have had a say in it.

Why are you getting so upset for????
He was simply a fill in player, like when your social team is a bit short and ask a former player to fill in for a game or 2.