Jumped the gun a bit! Weighing up buyout from Bullets. News.com.au

EXCLUSIVE: Former Brisbane Bullets big man Will Magnay is set to join defending champions Perth following his brief NBA stint as long he can receive a clearance from the Bullets, who own his contractual rights. #NBL21 https://t.co/Y01fXwcp3K

— Matt Logue (@mattlogue7) May 4, 2021

Hopefully the buyout is sorted asap.

I'd be pissed if I was the bullets- can they say no?

I can't see how Brisbane have done him dirty.
I guess if they feel like their season is over, they might as well grab some cash.

No dirty, standard contract rule pure and simple. Bullets could pay him to play or make money if he plays elsewhere, they likely aren't making finals so it's in their court now.

Wow here I was thinking the rumours were just that.

Question though, if you were Brisbane (a genuine playoff contender why would you help the Wildcats?

If you help the Cats you get some money but make it harder for yourself to win.

If you block the transfer Magnay may not play for them anyway or ever again, and they are no worse off than they are now.

Question is if the Bullets block it would Magnay play for them? If yes, the money is not worth it.

If Magnay goes to the Wildcats, who gets let go?

1) White
2) Bairstow.
3) Jervis.
4) Travers

Speaking as a Perth fan, the Bullets should block it. Why the hell would you make an opponent stronger? If he was asking to be released to go play in Europe or anywhere else not Australia, then no problem. Making an opponent stronger is madness.

Depends on the health and minutes Magnay can play.
Bairstow would be released... if he can start and play solid minutes
Jervis would be released... if he's off the bench, saving for the playoffs and Bairstow continues to start but lower minutes.

Travers is a future talent, White is the only "solid" bench PG and Swaka Lo Buluk is being moulded like Dech so may not want to lose him.

^ I think you are dreaming.

Magnay is going back to the big show after this.

This is a side gig.

If Magnay is a shot at the boomers he needs to play. I think when you look at how 36ers treated Creek,, behaviour like that is not looked at well by players.

That's what really matters in all this. After that disastrous own goal by the Sixers owner in 2018 it's been obvious players/agents within the NBL have been steering clear of the Sixers and going elsewhere, not to mention all the players that have since left the club.

If Magnay goes to the Wildcats, who gets let go?

1) White
2) Bairstow.
3) Jervis.
4) Travers

Why doesn't he want to go back to Brisbane?
Wonder if Brissy want him?

If you sign a deal you really ought to honour it - if Brisbane want him back he can’t complain at them blocking him from joining the opposition.

If Brisbane don’t want him, then fair play, get some cash and let him go. It wouldn’t be right to not want him but deny him to the opposition.

Perth will be champ again if magnay will sign..

Genuine question, could Brisbane actually sign him without going over the cap? Or would they have to cut a significant player to be able to fit him in?

Brisbane Bullets would be stupid to give Will Magnay to Perth! Haven't they won enough already?

If I was Brisbane keep Magnay, because Brisbane are not out of the race. Phoenix are dropping games, Illawarra are inconsistent and Sydney have their own injuries. Anyone’s game. Bullets also have an American import coming out of quarantine soon.

#stopgivingperththechampionships

Good signing. Welcome to Perth Two-Way.

An unhappy Magnay at Bullets if he's not at Wildcats, or a an unhappy Bullets if he is.

Now if there is a player or 2 at Wildcats whom the Bullets would want, and who would be willing (?) to go, could there be a trade included?

Cotton would be an even swap and impossible to think of, but think of Blanchfield and/or Steindl (both Qlders, (not that that's important, now-a-days) and money.

Magnay, long-term, I'd fight for, day and night. But if destined to be back in NBA next year, no. Get what I can for him now, with a view to next season. Either and/or both of them (and some money towards a starting import PG) would strengthen Bullets' local contingent and they are both absolute powerhouse scorers off the bench.

Starters would be:
PG: Import
SG: Sobey
SF: BJ Johnson(if retained?)
PF: Patterson
C : H0dgson or Froling

Bullets bench would be:
Cadee, Wigness, Drmic, Steindl, Blanchfield, Harrison + Froling or Hodgson and Robateau. Krebs, Jones, and Dalton probably gone.

For the Wildcats, Mangnay is a tremendous boost for their ultimate goal. For the Bullets, it would be a fairy tale come true. Even if good enough, the other genuine contenders are too settled to lose a series against a flyer, which is what Brisb would be in that case.

But, with no Magnay, anyway, and with Steindl/Blanchfield in for next year and money in the till, could be a win/win?

Brisbane beats Perth in NBL 2022 GF series as a result!

A few things to remember, this was all rumours but now has been reported in multiple locations so this is far from rumour now.

Perth are basically guaranteed finals, Brisbane need to nearly win out, He is putting off surgery so Perth can basically manage his minutes, Brisbane would need to drive the wheels off him just to make finals.

His wages would be high and they already have Sobey as their marquee (im pretty sure) so would have to pay all of it as well as cut a player. Perth can use their open marquee spot and move Jervis out which, from all accounts, was the plan for when Bryce got citizenship.

I think Brisbane need to cash out or they are paying a high price to potentially miss finals.

Disgrace players can't stay in their contracts. I agree.

Perth won’t make it past in the semis hopefully. They have been inconsistent. Bryce Cotton is wearing out.

Melbourne United have been better in the regular season. Tomorrow’s game will be interesting to see how the Wildcats react. Can’t wait, I’ll be attending.

If he has a contract that has a buyout figure then there's no disgrace going on.

" So there is an onus is on him to honour his contract, but if Brisbane don't want him then they are entitled to cash? That makes no sense."

What part doesn't make sense?

Is it the part about how contracts work?

If Brisbane want him to play in Brisbane and he says "nah I want to play for Perth" it may go sour but that's the player pulling a kawhi and being unreasonable.

If Brisbane can’t fit him, then they should do the right thing and cash out instead of denying him an opportunity- even if it makes Perth better.

No reason for it to be sour if everyone is reasonable.

Landale

"Landale as a threat to his boomers spot"

That was an incorrectly framed sentence.

Landale is a lock for Boomers team, Magnay is not.

Let's be clear here, Landale is ahead in the pecking order.

" if Brisbane don't want him then they're still entitled to get paid out."

Because they are entitled to if he wants to play for another NBL side, that's how the contract works when they let him leave to pursue the NBA.

“ I've never signed a contract that has such a one-sided flavour to it.”

He signed a multi year deal which the Bullets let him not play for them part way through to pursue the NBA - what part of that is one sided?

I entirely believe that you haven’t signed an NBL contract though.

You’re really struggling to understand stockstandard contractual terms which most players would have in that scenario, at least those that are expected to receive NBA opportunities.

Bullets will take the buyout money - it's either that or have to deal with a disgruntled player on their squad. Looking forward to our latest addition hitting the court ASAP.

Correct:

"But the deal was almost scuppered by the Bullets, who delayed his release for four days and didn't sign until the final hours before a Thanksgiving deadline."

The Red Army would like to thank the Bullets for being pricks.

Just watched Overtime and Santa has me worried that Melbourne will swoop in.

Magnay doesn't want to be at Brisbane.

His wages would be high and they already have Sobey as their marquee (im pretty sure)

Perth can use their open marquee spot

Blanchfield
Steindle
Jervis
Wani
Travers
White
Bairstow
Wagstaff
Which of those would be signed as a marquee? Maybe Blanchfield and that's it.

Where as Brisbane with Sobey, Hodgeson, cadee, Froling and Drimic could easily be paying 2 as marquee players.

Blanchfield, Norton, Steindl and Wagstaff would all potentially be in the marquee range I would imagine.

Norton on a multi year deal from last year when we had Kay and Martin so wouldn't be on marquee deal. Blanchfield maybe but he didn't come over as a huge signing.

I remember the talk of Froling leaving Adelaide for big money and Hodgeson a quality Aussie big so either could be Brisbane's second marquee. And the way Lemanis throws Cadee into every Boomers squad I wouldn't be surprised if they overpay him.

[Based on that, with Magnay 9 days into quarantine and not getting out till Sunday, MU can't take him into the playoffs, but Perth can.]

Where are all the anons who always claim everything from the fixture to the colour of the seating in stadiums is rigged in United's favour?

Seriously though, it should be based on weeks til playoffs.

25% rule.

Norton on a multi year deal from last year when we had Kay and Martin so wouldn't be on marquee deal.

Seriously though, it should be based on weeks til playoffs.

Cheers KR , didn't know that, thought it was in their contract. Still don't believe Blanchfield or Norton would be marquee guys.

[I am certain that if the league knew Magnay was going to be available at this point in the season they would have back-ended United's games to allow him to qualify.]

LOL

BAHAHA

It may all be for nothing, with NSW fresh community case he may not be allowed into WA.

Sooky lala

[I was being facetious LV. But answer the other question about Melbourne's lack of travel. You ok with that?]

I'm OK with the NBL Cup idea, and it made sense to have the first one in Melbourne. Although as I've said on here, my suggestion is next year host a dual city event with two hosts.

The biggest issue is over saturation- they used the cup to extend the season. 36 games is too many.

The fact that United are after Magnay makes me dislike them even more if that is even possible.

They don't even need Magnay, they are winning with their current line up.

They wouldn't even be able to give Magnay minutes commensurate with his skill set.

They are really only after Magnay to prevent Perth from getting him.

[He still hasn't addressed the fact that United has left Victoria once in the past 3 months]

4 times you mean?

Feb 5 Brisbane (3 months ago today)
Feb 10 Wollongong
Mar 19 Sydney
April 4 Cairns

Theyre also going out of Victoria 5 more times in the next month, including 2 trips to Perth.

LOL

I'm 8 foot tall, and playing my debut NBL game for Perth tonight. Mooney's been relegated to 6th man.

Just cos I said it, doesn't make it true.

Even if you're ignoring the 5th and 10th of Feb as close enough to 3 months ago, it's still twice.

What's the accusation here? That United won’t play away games away once it’s all said and done?

My understanding is they are with exception of NZ whose home was Victoria during that period.

Is that incorrect?

That's what I'd like to know too.

Will United play 14 away games (excluding NBL Cup bubble games as a consideration) by season's end?

So they played NZ in Vic when it was NZs temp home ground - get over it.

Perth pissant complainers are worse than Adelaides

All eyes on Supreme Leader McGowan now. If he restricts NSW travelers, its all over

Perth can move to Melbourne as it's new home ground....

Magnay having been in quarantine the entire time may affect things, but who knows.

Wildcats add star Aussie Will Magnay

Bullets statement:

The Brisbane Bullets can offer the following statement in relation to Will Magnay:
"The club can confirm that it has today released Will Magnay from his Standard Player Contract with the club.
“Will has chosen to return to Australia after his stint in the US and we expressed our desire for him to return to the Bullets' but he has indicated that he wished to pursue his career with another team.
“While we are disappointed that he will not return to Brisbane, we are also not going to stand in the way of him playing basketball and wish him well."

Inb4 "Perth are cheaters"

Who of note do we not have from last year?

Putting aside retirements and Cam Oliver heading back.

Kay & Newbill?

NBL is as talented as ever, bloody love it.

"The Australian Boomers Olympic Squad member joins the Perth Wildcats as a Nominated Replacement Player which, including development players, takes the squad to 15 active players."

Does this mean no one gets cut?

Yup - agreed Tate is on the list

Didn't Melbourne have a nominated replacement player basically full time a year or two back?

It means Magnay isn't actually on the roster until someone gets injured. I'd be very careful if I was Tom Jervis...

Put down the baseball bat

majok majok is out injured....just saying

Ten. Including Magnay and Majok, Wildcats have twelve.

Quarantine in Sydney is no certainty he doesn't catch covid in there, now that would be a great laugh, have Perth blocked flights from Sydney yet as Sydney are back under restrictions due to an out break.

Putting aside retirements and Cam Oliver heading back.

Kay & Newbill?

Members email just came through confirming the signing.

I'd be dropping Bairstow, still need Jervis for a minutes to rack up the fouls in the C spot.

Technically Bairstow was signed as an injury replacement for Majok.
Jervis was a very last minute addition when it became clear Perth would not be getting an import .

Jervis for me becomes the odd man out.
As for backup centre Perth would get by when Magnay rests slide Mooney to the 5 spot

I didn't realise Shervill has #25.
#23 a good choice.

Where are all the posters now who were desperately clinging onto their hope that Bullets would block the move.

You're so wrong KR. The wildcats have been playing with 9 rostered players this year, plus Majok makes 10.

Koberulz can count.
The article states Magnay signing brings total player group to 15 including development players.
Majok is not part of the 15.


How does the the injury nomination work?
Is one player on the outer or can it be different players in any given game?

Oh, sorry, didn't realise you were a total moron.

Carry on.

Bairstow wasn't signed as a nominated replacement player. He signed in the available spot as Majok was out with season ending injury... Replaced Majok but not as an NRP, so that's 10

Magnay has actually signed as an NRP. Which means 1 player must sit out every game he is going to play in. This can be any full roster player (so exc DPs) and different ones for each game

NRPs have been used by clubs to "hold onto" players through the season in case of injury... Melb, Syd and Perth have done it before.

The "moron" comment was directed at the Ted Talk anon, not the anon immediately above my post, who must have posted while I was typing.

TAB instantly moved Perth to $2.25 equal favs with Melb.

I figured that KR.

Whoever put money down on Perth at $15 is smiling right now.

:)

Perth should be favourites now, but be interesting to see how Will Magnay and John Mooney play together.

Yeah match fitness & will be an issue. Expect him off the bench initially (Bairstow continues to start) to build his conditioning up for the playoffs

United have a lot of NPRs - Stith, Kuany, Acouth, CJ Asunscion...I guess if you've got the money, you may as well spend it.

Bolt - yep no real rules around number of NPRs, just when they play they factor into the salary restrictions.

Mooney played PF through college with a shot blocking, non-3 shooter C and still average a double double. If Magnay has an outside shot they can have one on the inside anytime they are together and owned the boards completely.

Magnay is 25% slower and 50% less athletic after putting on 10kgs+

Um yeah, that just isn't how muscle mass works.

*spending money wisely gets it done again

*yawn* just skip to the finals already.

Ok anonymous then the Melb United 17/18 championship was a * year as they used the NPR on Carrick Felix almost all season right? Sydney had Taylor for most of 2019/20, but lost that one. Does Perth winning in 2018/19 with one less import then permitted get a bonus ! ?

* great signing. A threepeat must be on the Wildcats to do list.

Magnay not required * but we will take him anyway.

Marcus Timmons- 8 games in 1999-00
Bryce Cotton- 11 games in 2016-17
Miles Plumlee- 7 games in 2019-20
Will Magnay- 10? games in 2020-21

Perth know what they're doing.

In European football you get to wear a star on your jersey for every ten league titles won. So yes let's award the Wildcats a *.

Lol, everyone wants him. Nek minute he signs with Perth and he's too heavy, not athletic etc etc.

The folks who wrote perth off for having a poor list shouldn't have any fear of this signing. Can't have it both ways.

If you read the espn interview he did perth seemed to be front runner for every reason other than money.

The West reporting Bairstow will be the one to miss out:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thewest.com.au/sport/perth-wildcats/perth-wildcats-confirm-signing-of-will-magnay-to-boost-title-chances-ng-b881865602z.amp

If your team is in a position to get stronger of course you do it, you dont sit there and go "oh that wouldnt be fair to the Melbourne United team so we better not sign him" Those claiming it puts an * next to the championship (should they actually win it) are just jealous of the success and smarts that Perth have.

Start of the season many were counting Perth out with how weak their lineup is, so going off that really there is no problem adding Magnay anyway.

From that article in The West linked above:

Perth have signed Magnay as Nominated Replacement Player which means they won't have to permanently remove anyone from their roster.
But his arrival means Jarrad Bairstow will have to sit out matches unless another player is injured, given he was originally signed as an Injury Replacement Player for Majok Majok.

Well said Craig.

No rules were broken.

After the inevitable Bullets release and United ownage the haters had to come up with a new negative angle, this time about Magnay's weight. They're always inventing something new as their fear of us winning yet another title manifests through their posts. What will they think of next?

Jealousy Perthworld that's why they do it.

If your team is in a position to get stronger of course you do it, you dont sit there and go "oh that wouldnt be fair to the Melbourne United team so we better not sign him" Those claiming it puts an * next to the championship (should they actually win it) are just jealous of the success and smarts that Perth have.

But if its something they cant do then the league wouldn't allow it Koberulz, it kind of goes back to the first sentence where if they aren't breaking any rules then why should they drop someone? The NBL would be telling them they cant keep the current playing roster and add Magnay if they dont drop someone.

And Louzada was within the rules as a next star, but nobody had an issue complaining about that.

The NRP rule basically allows the cashed-up teams to stockpile players, while the poorer teams have to go looking whenever the have an injury they need to cover. It's bullshit.

The fairness to the rule isn't in question though, you should have a gripe with the NBL not the Wildcats for that matter.

Is Craig the most sensible poster we've seen on this forum...

The fairness to the rule isn't in question though, you should have a gripe with the NBL not the Wildcats for that matter.

The NRP rule basically allows the cashed-up teams to stockpile players, while the poorer teams have to go looking whenever the have an injury they need to cover. It's bullshit.

Koberulz fair enough, personally feel though that your gripe needs to be aimed at those who made the loophole possible (The NBL). I dont see it as abusing the loophole, I see it as a club/business doing what it takes to produce the best possible team it can in any circumstance.

In theory isn't the mechanism of a salary cap intended to avoid rich teams stockpiling?

Problem is there are tons of extra parts which semi defeat the purpose by allowing rich teams to get who they want anyway - at a luxury tax expense I suppose.

I would be curious as to what each clubs spends and whether it’s possible to close the gap between bottom and top without driving top talent away en masse.