Is it a proper U/20 Nationals when you have states entering 2 teams in both the boys and girls grouping.

One team is generally stronger with tge best players in one team and the second team is bottom agers.

This used to be a good tournament but a lot of the better players are not attending because they do not want to or are off to college.

Not really hard to understand the different in success for WA teams, you only have to look at the current HP Manager and the previous one. Current one is approachable, makes rationale decisions, doesn't select from just his purple circle and actually cares about the program rather than just waiting for the next opportunity somewhere back near their home state. The previous manager, well one only has to look at the 18s NSW results to understand why a large majority of those in WA were happy to see his departure. Talks a great game but the talent doesn't match the ego

Dave Naylor - WA HP Manager

WA teams are still preparing to leave but looks cut-throat all depends on QLD now.. out of the coaches and players control, be disappointing as some have waited 2 years

One of the funniest things I have seen recently, Vic Girls 10 up and choke to NSW, go Blues....Vic played 5 COE girls all game which is half the Aust u19 team and couldn't get close, chokers.....hopefully the World Cup u19 selectors take notice and have a few more in the lineup from the others states

I guess if you have the COE playing Waratah it plays into the NSW hands a little bit as they get a free scout...or maybe because they play that trash comp they just aren't used to any ACTUAL pressure...what a joke

Hi Bob here from another channel thought I would chime in here after watching the under 20 Vic girls today, WOW you go NSW, way to show them.

What the hell is going on with Victoria basketball losses in the under 18 now the 20's. The team is stacked with alleged talent and still cannot control the game.

Feel for coaches with a line up that cannot deliver, maybe change the line up that will give them some passion.
By the way how does Potter play whilst under a professional contract in an amateur competition is that not a little unfair.

maybe time to cancel the under 20's
why would a division one recruit for this year not hit the court and have no game time, not a great look for her D1 program if she cant get on.....

Bob

it wont change much from Oceania u17 line ups I don't reckon although they may not choose the USA college girls if they can't do the camp


5'10 Melbourne/5’8 Deeble
6'2 Price/5’10/Morgan/Borlaise or Swain (if available, is she still recovering from ACL?)
6’1 Potter/5’11 Notoa
6'3 Pollerd/6’2 Dunn/6'3 Puoch
6’5 Rees/6'3 Prior

If no college kids then Evans/Fakalata/Brazel

846558 - Dont argue with Bob I Know she is pro mate look at her twitter you twit

hold on so semi pro mean she get half paid correct?

Look at her twitter

https://twitter.com/gemmapotter17?lang=en


Let me know if you need help

btw is that you Aplha Dog

Brazel is a Gunn should be at CEO.

OMG looks like the idiot clan has followed me from the Big V channel. Welcome back.

Yes it is bob the flog but a correct flog at that....

Alpha is it raining out north

My point is how does a tea like that lose, BTW Merrigan is an unknown talent.

Rees got all star 5 and has been playing against monsters in the Pac-12.
Notoa got double figures for OK State vs Baylor in the sweet 16 mate. Are you kidding, they have to actually play the USA U19s not U18 domestic nationals.
Kids in the u18 will get eaten alive by the Americans and Europeans

846578 - which league is more professional Big V or NBL1???

589 they had top age kids, thats the point. you are talking about 16 year olds playing against 19 year olds. The silver gems had Heal who just got taken in the WNBA and Shelley and Anstey...the selectors won't pick double bottom kids; maybe Pouch but that is it. they will all get their u17 guernsey at Oceania anyway

593 exactly, no double bottom agers. Top age for u19s is 02 age group

846591 - no not the english channel mate the channel I left with all the idiots that don't know the rules about playing basketball when you are back from college.....

Back to the point Whats going on with Victoria Basketball.

Also i don't have kids that play and never missed out.

My point is that the game today was a surprise that NSW won, however they are a good team. I was very impressed with their body language after the game from NSW, did notice that some Victorian girls by passed some NSW girls when shaking their hands???

Last 10 shots of the game only saw two players hands Potter and Melbourne when others where open.... might need to make that team speech before you play NSW next time.

846594 - yes I have sorted that out thank for asking. clean up the coupe on that one thats for sure.

Been clothes shopping lately?

846599- yes she is correct but she has been tagged by the NCAA and will be saNctioned, need to know anything else.

Who says she playing all season do you have a crystal ball?

are the stats correct i would be worried if I was UCLA with that amount of time and lack of making a statement.


Anyway this is about the under 20's. not someone who should not be playing when they are at college.

It will all come out don't worry , if you do the right thing then it will be fine but the NCAA are watching all leagues in Australia thats for sure.

846605 - You are way behind so don't worry, ask Aplha he knows all about it, I owned him like a pigeon controller on the last channel discussion.

BTW - she is at college online remote learning as UCLA is not hybrid or face to face.

WTF are you talking about get up with the program

#846616 um mate, i think Bob was being a greek parachutist

#846616 - well let me say this you're use of the english language really makes me feel you are not coping with the accuracy of my intelligence.

Does matter if it is semi , full they cannot play in either. so, does
that make you the full-wit????? as opposed to a half-wit.

Its like i expected this group to be at least smarter than the other group on the Big V Stats discussion but am i wrong???


Looking at he overall Stats at the Under 20 Nationals, a lot of girls struggling who have committed to Division one and two.

Also watched the game today much better effort from the Vic blue team today. coached really well, actually both teams were and they we very professional and respectful to each other after the game..A good spread of time and the ball also.

whats going peeps you all gone soft on me tonight, too much to handle slashing it out with Bob the flog Pidgeon, the visionary and Guru of who is who in the zoo.

Ask me a question about basketball and I will not only give you the answer I will give you the solution.

Some one must have listened to me from last night look at the change in the VIC team today????

Ask Bob

Bad luck QLD today had the game, maybe shouldn't have taken Deebles off Melbourne in the last to let her free and cause havoc, slightly mistake there.

Tom Garlepp can coach and understands scouting I am calling NSW to win by 11.

Gold medal decided tonight and won by QLD

So what is happening to Vic basketball?

Is this just the result of other states having some elite talent in specific team/age group and a blip on the radar? Vic to return to dominance and win next 7 or 8 championships in a row...

Or are we seeing a real shift in power?

Without going back and doing the research, I think there are at least 6 or so gold medals over last few years that Vic has missed.

At the u18 just a couple months ago, Vic was mid pack.

Is there a correlation to how the high performance programs are being run, the coaches in charge?

Did not having VJBL for the year and the much higher number of rep games compared to other states really hurt?

I would imagine that BV would be really doing a post mortem and trying to figure it out. (having said that, I wouldn't be surprised if BV bury their head in sand and blame results on something else.)

Combining the on court results of Vic state teams and the shambles of how they are running NBL1 and BigV does not look at all good for BV.

VIC just was not better than QLD. Very simple. They did not play with the same defensive intensity and made so many poor reads in the first half. They have the best player, however, that does not mean much when QLD plays so well as a team.

In the girls, the two best teams made the final, with the most COE players. Normally the correlation between winning the u20 and not is who has the most COE players. Look at the teams that have won/ made grand final all had the most.

If it was just this tournament in question then ok. But the recent u18 champs neither Vic boys or girls won gold. 2 of the last 3 have not been Vic in the boys.

And the 20 Girls just lost to NSW in the Gold Medal game. Time to panic for the navy blue brigade

Victorian State Basketball - Making hilariously poor excuses for their underachieving results rather than giving credit where credit is due, since 2015. The rest of the country is fast catching up there Big V, and don't we all just love celebrating whenever you don't win another gold medal you feel you deserve

Bob here, wow what a day, I can hear the walls shaking down in Victoria land, to say its ok is not a good statement.

Under 18 bad results
under 20 bad results - lets be honest QLD should have won.


847155- if the under 18 cant win then next year is looking bad again for VIC
Maybe it time to re re evaluate your NITP NPP,ABC Blah blah program.
stop making for the few and make it for the many, stop channeling into only so many and broaden the catchment and then work on a bigger pool.

Some kids develop more with confidence rather than being told they are not elite enough.

The gap has shortened and will get shorter if you done broaden the development pool. Bob, believes there should be two teams from each state in under 16 and 18 and 20 makes it a broader catchment for all states, especially Victoria and even more that women's football in VIC takes kids away from basketball.

Open your eyes Vic basketball and expand the catchments.

BTW - 847150 - Are you saying potter is the team and because she got injured then they automatically lose, look at the stats and the court time of others....... maybe if you believed in who you picked to play and play them as they are there for a reason, rather than just sitting on the bench.
Potter injury did not spell the end they were beaten before the game even started, NSW out out coached out scouted and out played to finish them off.

BOB

No doubt Vics were outcoached. The two losses they had resulted in really bad decisions with the last 10-15 shots of both games being taken by mainly 2 players. First loss Melbourne and Potter had last 11 shots for zero points and yesterday Melbourne and Dunn did the same thing. Don't tell me its because Potter got injured. If she wasn't injured the under rated Fakalata wouldn't have got 18 or so and Potter averages 15-16, end result NSW outcoached and outplayed and most of all out teamed Vic. Exactly what SA did to them in the u18 final. Until Vic demand that the egos of the point guards play as a team it will keep happening to Vic.