Some good prospects in wa metro women.
Couple of good pgs and a couple of good bigs.

Definite upgrade on previous wa women teams?
When's the last time they made top 4?

The WA girls didn't do so well in SCC in 2020, they would want to have improved a lot if they are going to be competitive.

The qld spp list they put out last month had some quality players on there and nsw just realeased country extended lists also.

Wont be long before we see sa teams out.

Have Vic Country and Metro had their trials yet?

Yes

Hahaha keep smoking what you're smoking.

I don't think vic will win in the girls this year at u16 level and sa is capable of beating the boys, nsw also.

Who do you think will beat Vic Metro in the girls? I'll be very surprised if anyone gets close.

Vic have not even started their U16 trials

Nsw announced

https://www.bnsw.com.au/news_notices/state-teams-u16-team-announcements-2021/

Sa country also

https://websites.sportstg.com/assoc_page.cgi?client=1-4538-0-0-0&sID=52015&&news_task=DETAIL&articleID=71202388

I've got sa metro in the boys, qld sth in the girls

075, SA Metro in the Boys. Not even close. They will be nowhere near it.

Qld sth maybe in the boys

Amoamo
Amos
Brooks
Zikarsky
Siulepa
etc etc

Do you mean metro?

SA Metro can't even get their players to want to play due to the coach... hardly favourites.

Some can't afford it, U18s sa metro could have been even better.

You think 14/15 year old boys can't decide for themselves that their coach is t up to it?

There are plenty of big Vic Country girls, they will be a difficult team to play simply because of that, but there are no elite guards from Vic Country. I don't know who they’ve chosen but you could throw a blanket over about 10 of them. It doesn’t matter who Vic Metro have chosen, they will beat everyone easily, they would come 1st, 2nd and 3rd in this age group if they chose 3 teams. Only a small number of standouts, but great depth.

WA Metro will have the biggest team, to go with an elite pg. Whole state is slowly getting more consistent.

How'd that Vic Metro attitude of we’ll beat everyone no matter who we pick turn out just a couple of weeks ago?

I'm from vic m, and it won’t be easy.

Qld sth, wa m, sa m, vic m, vic c are quite close.

Wa have a 6'4-6’5 and a strong 6’2

Bottom age 07 legit 195cm now.

He's 7’1 from Northside

Dad is 6'10, mum 6’2 or something.

That might be fair enough if it was one kid, but when it's close to the entirety of the team not wanting to play, what does that say?

Or dnt try out and still pass all of those by that make the team. Parents and players are smart enough to know how it all works long term.

That the coach is unstable and should not be involved in junior boys basketball, everyone will tell you that it's not a secret.

He's hardly an orphan there in SA bball.

Just look at the history of a recent appointee to BSA HP and competitions as two examples.

Basketball in SA is too small for these things not to be common knowledge.

Basketball in SA needs a fully independent review starting with HP, Butler and Alex Wright would be the first 2 gone.
Unbelievable to think names like Sapwell Williams Jantke etc aren't in the top BSA HP jobs

I know what's wrong with Butler, but what's the issue with Wright?

Not sure but I doubt 2 of those 3 would be in a position to take the substantial paycut and existing professional roles to go there.

Hopefully streamed like u18s and an eguide again.

If Vic Metro u16 teams perform as poorly as u18 then the Vic Metro HP coaches need to go!

#201 this is the problem with a forum like this. It highlights those that have no idea, like you. None of those 2 of those 3 names should never be allowed near HP for numoerous reasons. If you knew anything about bball in this state you'd know that.

Vic metro had poor selection, injuries and along time away and still would have finished 2nd.
Sa m had 3 future u19 Aus representatives. Vic m had 2.

Vic m u16 also overated and I'm from knox.

Get Liam in Butlers role.

NO do not get Liam. OMG you idiots need to stop pushing your own people blindly. Don't you think Liam was considered?

Get Conner Henry

I'm confused. Going by the way Gliddon was barking instructions at 18 Nationals I just assumed he was in charge.

248, that's a joke right? What a disaster that would be.

260 he basically was.

A weekend at Bernies

If not Liam then who? Considering most won't move from interstate for that role.

Why wouldn't someone move from interstate to be head of a HP Program? Picking someone because they're here and available is how we got into this mess in the first place.

Because they usually pay less as a good strong clubs doc job

Yet the current HP Manager quit a DOC job to be HP Manager. And others have moved to HP Positions in other states, inclduing the current SA HP Manager.

Doesn't seem to stack up does it.

Scott is from SA, as was Dave, as was Neil. What evidence is there that SA HP is highly sought after by interstate applicants?

242 sounds like you have no idea, either that or your part of the current Sturt centric BSA HP program
Sapwell would be the ideal choice to run the HP program, his resume speaks for itself.
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Jantke doesn't have club bias, he’s been involved with 4 clubs and trains Guys from everywhere, he has great knowledge of modern basketball and has the relationship building skills to get the very best out of HP athletes and families. His research is world class, read his blogs.
Williams is a championship 36er so has instant cred, has had major success as a junior Coach (summer winter Classics State Champ titles all in one year, not sure that’s ever been done before here.)
Most important these Guys bring spirit and build strong inclusive environments, things that are sadly lacking in the current setup, players want to play FOR them, not IN SPITE of them...huge difference.
Get these Guys in, leave JWright in the 18s position and watch the Boys HP program take off again.

320's been drinking the kool-aid.

We are Sturt centric says the guy advocating for JWilliams (current Sturt DOC) and JWright (long time Sturt coach and father of current coach kids won't play for)

Pushing Jantke based on him club hopping to four clubs now and having little support at his current one as a positive.

Kool aid indeed.

336 think they mean J Clarke who is current 18s Metro coach and at South.( who is a fantastic coach might I add )
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If the clubs do a good job with player development the HP programs are irrelevant, that is where the kids spend most of their time and for the most part the coaches are better anyway. At least with Clubs kids can leave if they aren't getting the opportunities or support they are after, the HP coaches don't really have to answer to anyone, its a BS system in every State. The funny thing is listening to HP coaches crap on about the European Academy system and how great it is and then do all they can to centralize player development programs to feather their own nests.

Oh yes it's the club's fault when they fail, but never see HP praise the club's when they succeed.

Keep trying to distract from the obvious fact that Butler is a complete failure.

What is the role?

That would largely determine skillset required. My observations are in SA they want low level basketball admins that are good at coordinating TI camps and scheduling practices for state teams. The last 3 have been great at that.

Leadership, high level communication, working with elite youth athletes and families, trusted networks to leverage for the athletes are not really a requirement for you guys in SA.

If my understanding is correct the last 3 guys in the role in your state have been fine and done well.

320, there is so much wrong with your post it's too hard to know where to even start.

370 one of those guys was an ex-NBL coach and you consider him low level basketball admin?

Qld teams out next week.

Since when does playing NBL make you anything as an admin person?

BTW the last 2 have been so bad at that they both needed someone else to do it.

That was the one good thing Gliddon did. Everything else and his blatant Sturt bias has permanently damaged the viability of junior basketball comps in this state.

Vic teams are up. Very strange selections on the girls side, both Metro and Country. Doubt there will be a Vic side in the final.

431 that's just nepotism. It doesn't qualify him in the slightest.

431 he was referring to the last 3 BSA HP Managers.

Omg lol, vic m women is full of prospects not who's best now.
What is going on...

Vic m won't finish top 3

Might not be a Vic team in the top 4 for girls, those teams are a flat out joke!

Boys aren't any better either...

Qld sth might do the double imo.

#472 Yes and one of the last 3 HP Managers is an ex-NBL Coach. He also had terrible people and admin skills requiring another employee to do all his documents for him. Or his wife.

Vic c boys with Daniels and ombega have a nice backcourt coming through.

422 are you saying Sapwell Jantke Williams in, keep Clarke and get rid of Butler and Wright wouldn't have a positive impact on the BSA HP Boys progaram???
At the very least you wouldn’t have players/families walking away or not even bothering with it.
At the moment it’s a rabble

He's saying that bringing some of those people you mentioned into the program wouldn't have a positive impact.

Geez, vic could be very disappointing for the next few years.

472 yes I know what he was talking about.
I'm assuming you were not aware that the previous HP manager in SA coached NBL at Brisbane.

513 you keep rolling out those names. One of those guys in particular would be a nightmare.

Congrats to all the 14 year old children who get to represent their state. Don't worry about Vic they will be just fine. Every other state has had time to catch up due to a 200+ day incarceration by the Vic government. Let’s see what they have done with the head start. I would like the nay sayers to put a name on their post and when Vic metro and Country meet in the grand final for the women’s comp they can come correct themselves.

Incarceration?, bit much. Trump supporter no doubt.

Vic m ain't winning it with only the hawthorn girls.
Heavily reliant on the bottom age big from Casey as the other bigs are prospects.

Incarceration!? India, USA, Britan, Brazil ... Open your eyes.

200 days of lock down vs 300-600,000 deaths in other countries

High numbers don't guarantee better talent. History proves this. It increases the odds but doesn't on its own ensure elite athletes.

Everyone just take a step back I think.

Sa m will suprise again. Qld sth has a chance.


Battle of the pgs this tournament.
Every team has 1 highly touted pg.

VM guards are very weak, except 1 shooting guard, bigs are not even good Friday night players. 2 good 3 point shooters the rest are incapable.

VC guards will be the weakest at the tournament, one standout big, the others are huge but extremely slow. Wings very average. One good shooter in the group.

Who is correct will come out with the results.

It won't be like the u14 club champs

Why do people keep saying that SAM will "surprise" people? At least on the girls side, they've had perhaps some of the most talented groups in Australia every year. The coaching has been thoroughly average for almost 10 years and they still medal because of talent. This year's U16s should be no different.

The boys are obviously not as successful but have still managed a gold, silver and bronze medal in the last few years. This U16 group would have been penciled in for a medal if two of the top players hadn't quit and next year's group should be reasonable too.

They surprised people when they won u18 after 30 years

With the two best players in the competition, a third that has previously been selected to represent Australia, QLD South missing their best player, and VIC Metro fielding an underwhelming team.

What a shocker!

If you're surprised by SA Metro results at Nationals that's more a reflection on how little you know than it is on SAM teams.

Think it Surprised most people tbh

Evidently it did surprise a lot of people. That would indicate most people lack perspective and insight. This SAM group has had elite top-end talent since u12s. People see what they wanna see I guess.

Given the number of other coaches from SA that invited themselves to tag along with the group to share in the accolades I'd suggest many weren't surprised at all.

People were only aware of Borlase as a coe member and Simons who made the sapphires.
Brazel has made a giant step over 2 years and will no doubt make future gems and they also got great contributions from the rest.

Vic gave too little time to salon and Peterson for me. The s5 looked tired late on.

Brazel was much shorter, but just as talented as the other two since u12s. Now that she's a 5'10 PG with those skills people have started to take notice. Her shooting has certainly improved over the last two years though.

Again, I don't doubt that some people wouldn't take notice. It says a lot about them.

Vic M a good shooting group?
That's a huge overstatement.
There’s only 2 players in the whole group who even know that shooting outside the paint is a thing - and they’re streaky at best. The guards have some talent but the bigs are immobile and will kill any spacing.

Qld Sth, NSW met and WA met are the top 3 for me.

Nsw m I know nothing about except for hall thebottom age pg and bird the post player.


Who are the other standouts.

From my limited knowledge and who I've seen...

Nsw c have shiels, stone and Coleman.

Wa m Fahnbulleh, metcalfe

Qld s notoa, seumantafta

Qld n Bobongie, bond, mackaytrio

Vic m McBean, Mclary

Vic c Harvey, Schwarz

Sa m Gardiner, somfai, contanipolous

Sa c lehmann

Wa c Simpson

Some of these are standouts, others are very far from it.

I should say lrospects sorry.

Interesting you rate Wa Met yet none of the names listed are even named in their team?

Yes they are named in u16 squad.

Somfai from SA Metro girls is a genuine Star
She will set the National tournament on fire, remember the name.

Good now, great later.

Certainly no one at her age that works harder than Lara atm.

That's why she is a star
Her work ethic doubles her talent
Like Borlase, you get the feeling she is going to put SA Metro on her shoulders

Maybe next year as top age, not sure she can carry a team first year. Will need a few others to take the title.

889
Maybe, but she could play 18s as an under 16 and still dominate. Know that's a big call but the good judges are already saying she is out of this world. She pours milk on pressure and eats it for breakfast, sit back and enjoy the show

She's good in sa but has not faced the elites from other states only partially at scc.
I think it’s likely other sa players like Gardiner and lehmann will be bigger contributors this year.

No, the elites from other states haven't faced her!

Nice to see alot of post players in this women's age group. At u16 level We usually only see 1-2 teams with kids over 6’2.
From the above lists, about 7 players over 6’2 at first glance.

Australia has so few post players coming through, so it’s good to see.

890, stupidest post ever. Well done.

No need for negatives, she's a player on the rise and will need to play at nationals for people to make judgement. State league success means little when you get to this comp.

Gobsmacked
What's the matter did she drop 30 for the W on your daughters team?

Borlase n Brazel n Simons are all 04, somfai 07, how could you possibly predict what she'll be like inn3 years.

Stop unnecessarily hyping up a 14yo, and stop talking shit about her. Act like an adult.

Nt

W
https://websites.sportstg.com/assoc_page.cgi?client=1-7298-0-0-0&sID=186272&&news_task=DETAIL&articleID=71412618

M
https://websites.sportstg.com/assoc_page.cgi?client=1-7298-0-0-0&sID=186272&&news_task=DETAIL&articleID=71412619

Qld, sa m, tas, act only teams left unannounced.

Sa m

http://www.basketballsa.com.au/high-performance/teams/u16-state-teams

Tas

M
https://www.facebook.com/BasketballTasmania/photos/a.472362379525233/3967525773342192/

W
https://www.facebook.com/BasketballTasmania/photos/a.472362379525233/3966997536728349/

Still no qld or act lists, bit late.

Act
F
https://www.facebook.com/BasketballACT/photos/a.188740657833610/6076031205771163/
M
https://www.facebook.com/BasketballACT/photos/a.188740657833610/6076840212356929/

Qld north

https://www.facebook.com/basketballqld/videos/892590484931712

https://www.facebook.com/basketballqld/videos/109223321296202

Qld sth

https://www.facebook.com/basketballqld/videos/4924427434250989

https://www.facebook.com/basketballqld/videos/131362612420075

Qld selectors also seem pretty off unless injuries?

Is Driscoll injured? Amo amo?