I know, but LeBron had a extraordinary game last night against the Grizzlies. And i think Lebron is eying the MVP

Yes.

Surely it says something about the young talent if lbj is in the discussion

LeBron should have 10 MVPs. I'm not a massive fan of LeBron but it’s clear to see, every team he leaves is lottery bound and every team he goes to is literally the team to beat. If that’s not Most Valuable I don’t know what is. Giannis doesn’t make his team better and I think if Giannis was 6"4 he wouldn’t even be in the NBA. What LeBron is doing is unheard of. Literally at the top of the NBA for nearly 15 years now and getting better, he’s evolved into a 3 point threat and now has a post up fade away while still averaging 25 7 & 7 playing limited minutes this season.

MJ had the greatest career, LeBron is the greatest PLAYER of all time

NBA regular season is Kaka. Low intensity trash.

How many times has Lebron been player of the playoffs.

Old man, that's actually a really good point that made me think more about it.

My view is that I'm a bit over this 'Greatest' debate. I think it's a bit of an egotistical American thing, but I accept most people think its a debate worth having.

That's a very clever distinction into the difference that I'd never really considered. In the same way, Giannis might go down as one of the most statistically dominant, but his greatness will depend on how many titles he can lead Milwaukee to.

A couple of things to remember about LeBron though, is that he's had to get his way to be part of championship teams. It's taken a lot of aggressive recruiting and chopping and changing over three different teams for him to help them be successful. I also think there's been occasions in finals where he's failed to stand up in the same way MJ did during simailar moments.

I'm not a LeBron worshiper at all, so I avoid saying things like 'He's won a championship when it was a team effort. Far too much emphasis on him for me.

Based on averaging a triple double? Seems to me to be a pretty good reason.

Master Chief you have some good points. I watched the 90s bulls as a teenager and must confess, LeBron has faced a lot harder roads to championship glory than MJ.

MJ faces a total of 9 hall of famers in 6 Finals appearances.
LeBron has faced 26 hall of famers so far.

In the 2018 finals loss against a stacked Warriors lineup, LeBron led both teams in Points, Rebs, Assists, blocks and steals yet we only remember that he choked again.

I have these debates with my mates over the years, MJ was 20 years ahead of his time, but he was lucky to dominate a era where most teams only had one star to contend with. LeBron started the super team era back in Miami and it has been to his detriment as you won't win a title in the NBA unless you have 2 - 3 superstars and other studs sign on for pennies to chase a dream.

We all need to soak up what LeBron is doing now as no 36 year old will ever be as dominant as the King.

Still early days but since it's Lebron he’ll end up likely in the top 5 anyway, I’d say atm it’s between him and embiid. The way it’s done in the nba it’s typically the best player on one of the top teams in the conference but he’s there’s years where there is an exception eg westbrook. And no to the clown who thinks he should’ve gotten rose’s just stop, rose was the no 1 option on the best team in the league (regular season speaking) which was ahead of the big 3 heat

Lebron didn't become the best player in the world till the next season, he wasn’t even the best player on his team that year (that was wade), as evident by that same playoffs and that regular season. By clamped do you mean the the heat defence entirely focusing on rose (yes Lebron was the primary defender) and because that bulls team was honestly not good at all on offence rose had to do it all by himself (thus leading to lower efficiency) when Lebron still had wade and bosh and a good defensive team in his own right

Yes Lebron had a very good year but we've seen years where the guy who wins the mvp isn’t necessarily the best player in the league, which Lebron wasn’t anyway (2011 was very odd as you saw rose and Durant really establish themselves along with Kobe on his last legs, the big 3 heat and dirks playoff performances), also it’s not just simple stats if you watched the games wade was the best guy on that team, which ultimately fully showed itself in the playoffs. Rose had to carry a team that wasn’t very good on offence by himself for the most part (still a very good defensive team though) and said team finished better than the heat in the regular season.

But yes to your point anon he does typically pace himself through the season particularly as he gets older however watching him this season it seems he’s putting more effort in

Lets kill off the MJ/LeBron debate. thats not what this was about.

James averaging 26-8-8- on 50% shooting on a top 3 team warrants a look at MVP.

Only other guys in the chat based on standings and stats would be Giannis and Embiid, but in terms of "valuable", right now itd be between LeBron, Curry and Giannis one would think. Obviously LeBron has AD as a team mate so its hard to stand on his side when talking MVP, given he has a All NBA first team calibre dude, but AD has been pretty shaky all year despite averaging 22-8-3

for me it is probably Embiid (29-11.5 and 3 assists) on a 1 seed, LeBron and Curry. If Westbrook was an MVP on a 6 seed for sheer value alone judging how bad his team would have been, minus him then Curry has the same argument, though Russ averaged 31-10-10 Curry is on 29-6-6 (still amazing)

Other guys to consider are Jokic (27-12-8.5), Luka (29-9-9) and Lillard (29-4-8), but their teams are idling around .500

Mitchell goes for 24-4-5 on a 22-5 team, but its Utah. They could win 60 out of 72 games and the league wouldnt give him the MVP.
Durant a smoky maybe but surely you cant win one when you have Harden and Irving as your sidekicks

To conclude: yes, LeBron is definitely a very realistic chance at the MVP

YEAH he will win MVP for sure