I'ld never make a gambler.

SEM by 10.

Sloan no good find someone new to quarantine them and have them ready by round 6/7

Agree KET. Maybe line up a second as well because I'm still not convinced on Crocker.
Sloan has nothing that stands out- speed, handles, shooting. Just a bit of a Shannon Shorter but with an NBA resume. Might be been ok few years ago but at 33 he’s not gonna get better/quicker. Cut losses now.

I reckon tonight gets ugly. Phoenix have a game under their belt, no Giddey and surely DJ cools down at some point. Reckon it's got blowout written all over it.

Suppose Sloan gets the chop if I was Adelaide management I would be going after Broekhoff.

I am going to give Sloan a bit more rope.

He probably came here thinking he'd be handed the keys to the offence, instead he plays second fiddle to Giddey and is unsure of his role.

This game will be his chance to shine though, he better show something.

How do you say he has played second fiddle to Gidey when the coach has started Sloane

Surely he has had opportunities to impress a the teams starting guard

The coach even said on record before the first game that the guys who pay well will stay on the court for extended minutes

Anon can I pls sniff your mums undies

I think a fair few Americans approach the NBL in the wrong way.

Force it too much, take shots or make moves that is more NBA accepted than NBL accepted, don't dial in on defence enough and they require too much of the ball (over dribble) to get into the game or stay interested.

NBL you have to be a genuinely good and smart player and adjust to the style. See Cotton.

To be fair to imports virtually everywhere they play they are expected to carry their teams offensively. It's common for new imports to come in and immediately start dominating the offence as it's what is usually expected of them. After realising the locals can play they do start to settle down a bit this isn't China.

In saying all that I have no idea what Sloan is doing if he's sitting back trying to fit in by getting the lay of the land he needs to start kicking into gear if he continues down this ultra-conservative path he'll likely end up cut. Generally speaking you don't play five years in the NBA by accident, a few games like Darington Hobson sure but not 200+ games over a five year period with five different teams. If he doesn't pull his finger out this round I would be looking to move him on.

Sixers by 5

It's also worth to note the team and it’s culture in regards to imports, cotton whilst being a very good player in his own right went to an ideal situation.

In regards to the game you’d hope Phoenix bounce back and as said earlier dj settles down a bit, Phoenix by 9

I know playing plenty of NBA games is a pretty good indicator that a guy has talent, however, I do wonder about something I read someone here say - that he was kind of a bloke that was just on court not really there for any reason or doing anything. There are a lot of those players in the NBA that are just there and don't bring much per se. Even wonder why NBL players don’t get those roles and offer something (too thin and lanky?) but then there are an increasing amount lately (Delly etc) that do get roles and provide at least something even if it’s defensive energy.

In a 82 game season 48 mins per game, very average players can get a fair bit of playing time.

Yeah some have suggested that the Sixers could end up 1-5 after home stand, if that happens then changes may have to be made.

At the moment it is budget import Crocker doing slightly better than Sloan.

I expect Humphries to have a bigger impact, while I don't expect another 33 points from DJ, there is no one in SEM that can stop him consistently.

Sixers by 3.

that he was kind of a bloke that was just on court not really there for any reason or doing anything. There are a lot of those players in the NBA that are just there and don't bring much per se.

Is this game on SBS vice ?
I'm getting a game show

ESPN.

Where the hell is the basketball?

SBS on Demand has shit itself all the links for the game just end up playing some crap pommy show.

FFS

Sbs link showed some aboriginal show. Now watching Kayo but it's 20 mins behind. Wtf

Twitch.

Yeah I can't get it on sbs either!!!! Stupid link

It's about 10 minutes in they're advertising it on SBS on Demand.

https://www.twitch.tv/nbl

SBS on Demand finally connecting to the game now.

Finally

Mudronja is getting minutes in the first quarter.

His extended family on here must be ecstatic.

Sixers to well and truly play Phoenix into form and onto the Wildcats on Sunday!

I would cut Crocker before I'd touch Sloan (Adelaide must have picked him as they love his namesake at the Crows) but I definitely think that roles for this club are hard to understand right now, what's Humphries, Dech and the imports actual roles as I thought Dech went to Adelaide to become a true star of the league and looks almost forgotten about on court, Humphries was the highest earning local in the NBL this season and albeit returning from injury is looking lost out there at times.

His extended family on here must be ecstatic.

I would cut Crocker before I'd touch Sloan

Allowing Wild Kyle 12 points.

Sixers, I thought we were going to defend this year.

Commentator keeps calling Sloan Crocker lol

Apologies on calling Sloan/Crocker for a good game, more chance of Joe Ingles playing in Adelaide then that happening.

Ben Moore for SE Melbourne hasn't exactly set the league on fire so far if we’re picking on imports.

Creeky really bailed out Crockett on that last shot play.

Solid, heads up end to the half from Crocker.

Who's making the decision to make Casey the courtside announcer instead of lead commentator? This is an outrage!

Thanks for the link perthworld

Crocker actually showed glimpses of on court IQ and savvy last game as well.

So far he is OK.

Who is the commentator who is mixing up Sloan, Dech and Crocker? Cringeworthy stuff. See Liam corrected him once. Very average stuff! Oh it's his Overtime mate. Figures.

Wasn't Santamaria getting the names wrong, it was his little Overtime mate. Was getting awkward!!

Fake pick 'n' roll from DJ was fun.

Who's making the decision to make Casey the courtside announcer instead of lead commentator? This is an outrage!

Just go home Crocker. Useless. Play McVeigh ffs

Crocker's passing is terrible.

Have we seen enough to send Crocker home? Turnover after turnover , missed defensive assignments and brick after brick. Yet Henry persists.

Yep it's time to cut both imports they're liabilities on the court.

My worry is that if Adelaide aren't winning games,fans will get fed up with this style.

You can tell it's an adjustment for the existing guys from Joey's system as the style is basically opposite.

Adelaide are lacking flair and they can easily get blown out if things aren't going their way.

The lack of push to score in transition has been frustrating, instead slowing it up all the time.

So far Adelaide remind me a little bit of Fearne Cairns but without the composure and defensive discipline.

"He is feeling himself now, Ben Hooly, as well he should".

~NBL 2021

I get so fed up year after year watching DJ give us layups.

*up

SEM by 10 was a fair call.

SEM won by 6 even though that flattered the Sixers.

What are Shawn long and melo Trimble doing these days?

That's Captain DJ to you Zodiac!

Only positive was Humphries.

Tepid effort from Adelaide.

Desperately lacking scoring punch, the only reliable dude in this respect is DJ.

Feel the team wouldn't lose much saying bye to Crocker and parsing a good chunk of his minutes to Jack. Import spot then freed up to find someone better.

Pinder is daft. Sunday’s out of place playing serious minutes on a team that needs buckets more than his alleged defensive prowess.

At least Humphries is showing signs of life. Will the return of Giddey drastically turn things around?

Don't seem to play with much energy or spark on offense. Defence isn't terrible but you have to be able to control the tempo if you're going to play a slow half court game. Need more spacing too.

SEM actually have looked alright.

Only positive was Humphries.

Can't access the live stream via sbsondemand on telstra TV.

Such crap! Get it together SBS

Looked good for the two minutes McVeigh and Mudronja were on the court, they didn't get back on the court after that.

That unsportsmanlike foul, then effective reversal by Michael Aylen (because Johnson shot it) was a joke!
The baseline referee gave the ball to Johnson to shoot. It's his responsibility to make sure the correct player is shooting it, not the player! Despite this, Aylen then steps in and removes the extra free throw. How on earth was that the right call when the game was still in the balance!?

When was the error noticed that the wrong player took free throws ? Was it after the free throws ?
Key questions

Why is it Adelaides role to know who the umpire believes was the fouled person? The umpire didn't tell them and went to review to check! That’s farcical for it to be overturned on that basis!

I’d imagine the reversal rule is in place to avoid funnybuggers - bizarre rule, just tell the right person to go to the line. Not hard!

Adelaide played pretty much about as average as expected. They don’t have a good team this year and rely on DJ too much. Can’t win games in that basis no matter how well he is playing offensively.

I put forward that the 36ers were looking like a bottom side and was accused of having a bias against the 36ers and being a fan of another club with a hatred towards them (lol).

Turns out you can support a team and be pragmatic, go figure!

The frontline of DJ and Humphries looks really good. Not sure where Crocker fits in this lineup though. Would think an athletic 3 and D style import would be a better fit. For the Phoenix good to see Sykes turn it on and show he could run the point and score when the game was on the line. I thought not resigning Roberson was a strange move (assume he wanted to stay) but I can see why they wanted a tougher defender at the point. Gliddon is a worry and appears to have regressed significantly since his Cairns days.

Mudronja and mcvay must get more minutes...assists points rebounds energy .... they have some passion and playing hard ... feeling even dillon be revitalised... the big bear and DJ keep in tandem .. chemistry building... Phoenix long season for them.too ... we got giddey to add. They got nothing ..

When was the error noticed that the wrong player took free throws ? Was it after the free throws ?

Seems a ridiculous rule. What is Crocker legitimately didn't realise the unsportsmanlike foul was on him (in this case it was a pretty soft call so potentially he didn’t know). Surely the onus should be on the ref who made the call to ensure the correct player takes the free throws?

" Well you can hardly notice that the wrong person took a shot that hasn't been taken yet."

Pretty bloody easy I'd imagine when the guy is at the foul line everyone else is set up in the normal spots and the umpire then gives the person at the foul line the ball.

They never give the ball to the person at the foul line until everyone is in proper position.

So the answer is, you can easily take notice.

The fact they rolled with it and gave DJ the ball, and then reviewed it because they didn’t know who should be shooting is a dead give away that the umpires didn’t do their job. When you call a foul and someone has to shoot, tell the person they’re the ones shooting. Especially in a scenario where it’s so “not obvious” that you require a video review!

@Koberultz
It can be noticed while the ball is in the hands of the shooter but prior to him shooting or also between the first & second shot

From the timeouts you can see the team is being run through DJ and Giddey, I would think Sloan came in thinking he will chuck 20-30 shots a game, with Giddey out still only hoisted up 6 shots

they will prob replace him soon, as they dont really need a main scorer and may look for a cheap big, heck plumlee is still unsigned

After mocking Ben Moore's numbers, pretty much straight away he adjusted and made a positive impact on the floor lol.
Long & athletic with a quick first step, he might become a player to watch as he gets more comfortable with the reffing.

During the day, I was looking forward to this game, but SBS mucked up the start
and the 36ers the end. Tooo slow.
36ers only moderate and 2 imports very ordinary.

Ben Moore is good, hopefully he can stay consistant at that 10pt 10reb range and if Sykes and Creek can keep dropping around the 20pt each, Pheonix will collect a few wins and get into playoffs potentially

They knew who the shooter was

DJ being a smart arse taking the shots.

but SBS mucked up the start
and the 36ers the end

If they've got the money to sign them then by definition they've got the money to replace them. Neither Sloan or Crocker would be on guaranteed contracts.

If we want to shit on the Sixers, then I think it's important to note that it’s still early days, not trying to say they’ll win it all but things change throughout a season. A team will get a significant injury, have a player or two underperform, or even a player or two over perform. Point being let’s not completely freak out yet. Especially as this last year has been significantly different when it comes to preparation, for all we know their imports may very well pick things up and giddey might be able to keep his play up and then they might get rolling, not saying they will, but let’s get a bigger sample size first.

Remember that season where Adelaide had some half-baked roster, came out the gates with like 5 losses and everyone (including me) tipped them for the spoon then they finished the season 4 wins clear of second? you just never know what can happen

" Well you can hardly notice that the wrong person took a shot that hasn't been taken yet."

Pretty bloody easy I'd imagine when the guy is at the foul line everyone else is set up in the normal spots and the umpire then gives the person at the foul line the ball.

The fact they rolled with it and gave DJ the ball, and then reviewed it because they didn't know who should be shooting

@Koberultz
It can be noticed while the ball is in the hands of the shooter but prior to him shooting or also between the first & second shot

Then why did the umpire go to the review?

I am no expert in subbing patterns.

Although Mudronja did well in his limited minutes, wouldn't a coach want his stud import (Sloan) performing?

Could Henry be trying to get Sloan and Crocker into a groove and settled in?

I know it didn't end well but there is a chance that simply giving Sloan's minutes to Mudronja would have a negative impact on Sloan.

Henry's sub patterns have on the face of it left a bit to be desired but it's very early in the season and with only three pre-season games (Sloan only played one) and the Sixers full strength side not playing in a game together until opening night of the season, the coach is likely still trying to get a look at what the players can/can't do.

Don't forget a large piece of the puzzle in Giddey was out last night just to further throw a spanner in the works for the coach.

As disappointing as last night's loss was it was kind of understandable without Giddey but both of the imports still look very ordinary. Sloan looks as if he's lost the will to live and Crocker plays like he's about to fall over/get stripped/throw the ball into the stands at any moment.

Without getting sucked into DJ's great offensive numbers whilst at the same time ignoring all the points he gives up at the other end, I have been pleasantly surprised by the strides Humphries is making at both ends.

You don't have 35 + 15 type games in the G-League if you can't play so it looks like he's starting to find his groove and is really showing something defensively.

Spin all you like both imports have been horrible in all aspects of the game .
Have to hide Sloan on defence and Crocker not much better .
But did they really did their homework on Sloan apart from his NBA history as apart from no D he has no attacking skills or any shooting offence and the only player close to his turnover efforts is his import offsider .
Unbelievable how wrong they got it and if dont do something quick another season gone .
So looked forward to season ahead after Joey disaster season .
We got it right with Humphries and Giddey inclusions but find someone that can shoot rather than DJ do all the inside plus the 3

"That didn't happen. The review was before the shots, and wasn't anything to do with who was shooting."

They checked who the right person to be shooting should be after DJ took one shot.

That was very, very, VERY clear.

“ You could notice that the wrong guy is at the line before the shots are taken, but you can't notice the wrong guy took the shot until after the shot is taken.”

Don't give the guy the ball at the foul line if he’s the wrong guy! It’s just comical to go along with it.

Could probably play CJ Turnage and/or Greg Mays until another import or 2 arrived. How would they go in the NBL?

" Then there is further discussion with the replay centre."

What were they discussing, the weather?

Why does it even matter? The rule says what the rule says. The referees didn't know the rule, and enforced the wrong penalty. Yet somehow we're upset about the thing they got right, instead of the thing they got wrong?

For the obvious absurdity of reversing a call because the umpires didn't know who the person fouled was, and when we said it was silly, someone decided to argue the point!

Anyone above the age of 5 not capable of using "you're" correctly is FAR more painful!

That escalated quickly.

Victorian, FYI. Just pragmatic.

Mudronja wasn't great in his first possessions, picked up ball early on Adnam and turned it over for a layup, so his +/- was very misleading as he was a negative from the outset. Once he settled though he was good. Great energy, some nice possessions and even some offensive boards. His and Mcveighs output in a couple of mins was better than Sloan and crockers combined 60 mins playing time. Crocker hasn't been getting rebounds or assists and sloan is very similar low numbers. These are team things and usually a reflection of mindset. You add in Dechs no passing and it just gets worse.

Childress did say it took him 3 weeks to settle in, I'm not sure the Sixers can afford that with Sloan and Crocker. If this is the case maybe they should come off the bench. Would be tough for Crocker as has just come into country and out of quarantine.

"if the plus, minus stopped them getting more time it's very poor."

That wouldn't have been the case. Crocker was -17 and even though that is the end of game stat he would have had poor +/- throughout.

McVeigh should have got more minutes.
Mudronja had 2 poor turnovers and couldn't defend. So it was fine if he didn't get more minutes. Teys deserved more minutes after his efforts in the previous game so I am not sure why Dillon was in front of him.

Sloan is an extremely poor defender and Crocker isn't far behind him. Both are extremely lazy.


To protect Sloan and Crocker I would like to have seen the coach throw in a zone. Unfortunately with him coaching in America for a long time he is foreign to zones. Perhaps a zone could work for this team. At least mix it up.

I'm far from happy spending good coin on watching Sloan and Crocker. The NBL is a very strong league and bringing in imports that are either washed up or budget signings is disrespectful to the fan base. Our owner is not poor.

How exciting was it going every game knowing you would get incredible performances from players like Childress.

And Mitch and sobey and drmic even cadee made games interesting... Randall excitement machine ...what happened????

For the obvious absurdity of reversing a call because the umpires didn't know who the person fouled was

"realise on their own that the wrong guy was at the line?“

They didn't, they checked with the replay centre.

Nope, not what happened.

Thankfully KR isn't arbiter of fact

- Michael Aylen blows his whistle, calls a holding foul.
- Aylen asks the replay centre to check for USF. He has a holding foul with "28 white holding 2 blue".
- Replay centre confirms call.
- Johnson shoots one free-throw.
- Aylen blows his whistle, announces that it's the wrong free-throw shooter and the correct shooter is "2 blue".
- Adelaide appears to argue that anyone can take the shots, Aylen replies that for a USF it has to be the player that was fouled.
- Aylen says the FTs are canceled and it's Adelaide ball from the side (incorrect, WHY ARE WE IGNORING THIS?).
- Aylen gets the replay centre to confirm.

At no point was Aylen unaware of the correct shooter. The incorrect penalty was handed out.

And yet somehow we're mad about them not knowing the correct shooter? Why can't we get mad about the thing they actually got wrong, instead of making shit up?

" Aylen gets the replay centre to confirm."

Which isn't necessary if you are certain who it should be, which is the precise point.

“Making shit up”

You’re the one who specifically said they didn’t go to the replay centre for that ie. you made shit up, now you’ve flipped and said they did. I can only assume you went back to watch it and now changed your tune on that.

Stubborn boy!

KET, not Ket, champ

Going to the replay centre because you don't know who should be shooting, and going to the replay centre because you know who should have been shooting and are overly paranoid, are different things.