Damian Arsenis
Years ago
A WNBL bubble may be closer than we previously thought.
- 7-week bubble (14-18 games plus finals)
- Played in QLD - Townsville (plus maybe Cairns)
- Underwritten by QLD state government
- Every game broadcast live (maybe on Kayo)
More here from the league and a couple of team GM's: The WNBL 2020/21 bubble is likely happening: here's how it could unfold
No point putting up the article if it's behind a paywall
Why put up a link if it's paywalled. Waste of time.
Damian Arsenis
Years ago
Not really a waste of cash given it is an Olympic Year, plus Australia host the 2021 World Cup for Women. BA desperately need continuity and momentum for the league, Opals and long-term health of the sport in an important few years for Australian women's basketball.
Actually paying pick and roll to read your 'writers' opinions is a huge waste of money and time. Your site is unethical and way overpriced. For example; the same price per month you want to charge people to subscribe to pick and roll I could watch all nbl games and read unintelligent views on hoops who are more ethical about sharing where they get their news source from. Keep stealing news and money from peoples pockets.
Thanks for posting the main points with the link Damien. Sounds great, the qld gov investing in women's sport like this is awesome, just like they’ve no doubt invested a lot of money into the AFL this year. I hope they do a league pass similar to the WNBA, but Kayo is better than nothing. Looking forward to watching all the games
Is pick and roll actually paying writers? I'm not paying for a site that relies on free content.
Tell you what pick and roll (most likely) doesn't do, is pay hoops.com.au to use their free platform to promote their paid payed platform to hoops users who’s community has been building for longer and is more reliable in getting accurate information
Damian Arsenis
Years ago
Wow! Let's continue to hide behind an anonymous username and take pot shots without any basis. Although, to be fair, I am not genuinely surprised.
However for the benefit of everyone, I'll take this opportunity to confirm that one of the drivers to moving to a subscription model was to start paying our contributors. Every cent ever made been invested into The Pick and Roll, and since moving to to a subscription model (less than $1 per week for an annual subscription), the money received has gone to; 1) covering out of pocket expenses, and 2) the remainder goes to the contributors (excluding Kein and I).
Kein and I have been providing a platform for Australian basketball and aspiring basketball journalists for seven years, starting at a time when the NBL was at its lowest ebb. We have never put any money from The Pick and Roll in our back pocket either.
We just want what is best for Aussie Hoops.
And for those who continue to say games are going to be televised on Kayo. Kayo do not produce content they on-sell it. Somebody else has to do the production etc and then they stream it.
Damian you're website is trash, click bait no substance nonsensical rubbish
To be fair hoops is nearly double the age of pick and roll and didn't try to 'sell out’ but hey keep posting google results on your site, charge people to read it under your name with the guise of helping the community.
When really you’re leaching off a better, free community with a larger and more active readership (With less typos). While you pay your ‘writers’ chump change and pay to build a fake social media following.
(Mod: Rest unnecessarily abusive.)
You'd think money should be kept in the pocket as this could flare/drag on so need to be careful with the money/funds
"meh" = everything i said was incorrect but i still feel entitled to the hard work of others without supporting them with some loose change
Jick
Years ago
The irony of someone saying "you're website" is bad.
It is a little steep at $50 for maybe 1 article a day. Not many people will be paying $100 next year.
It's also very difficult to navigate through the site in comparison to the previous format.
Gee a lot of people got off the point of WNBL being in a hub.
While I don't subscribe to Pick & Roll website, they have a right to do their thing, however they want, its their business model etc.
Not sure how the WNBL are going to generate money without fans at games, and selling merch. Sponsors would kick in a bit, but I would assume a lot will have lost a lot out of their budgets during the lockdown? Maybe I am wrong.
I just hope we can all get back to basketball sooner rather than later.
Do you think all currently signed players will play with the change of format?
I can think of one who might bail... the freedom of being in LA may just be more enticing.
Off-topic? Maybe, but is it fair? Yes.
Here is why,
Damien, has come to hoops to post old news, from old sources with maybe a handful of unique quotes to say the same stuff as posted dozens of times here. https://lmgtfy.com/?q=WNBL+Hub&t=n
This is also his first post as himself to promote his website in seven years, only after becoming a 'subscription based' website
Not posting anything relevant just some key notes (that we all know), and a link to his website that charges people to use, to buy merch that he uses to make more money to pay to rebuild, promote his website elsewhere and calling it development costs.
Where he (probably) chargers teams, players, leagues to have extra promotional space on his website, while demanding free passes for his amateur writers and photographers to write some half assed opinion piece.
Creating content that people pay for buy poorly paid writers who drag down the wages of real journalists. While selling merch of players that I doubt (or does which is worse) pay commission to them.
Let alone use that same money he spends to maintain (rebuild/promote) his website to a struggling league, that could do with just a few seasons passes themselves worth of money. But is happy to create click bait articles about stuff that is freely out there and charge people to read it.
I must admit reading this seems like a scathing attack but to be fair, I stopped going to pick and roll a long time ago.
love how the 'demands free passes' line keeps going after it's been established they pay their contributors...
everything said there is nonsense. pay or don't pay, your choice. but attacking the motivations behind a guy that isn't making a cent is trashy and stupid
Can we have a separate thread to discuss the actual bubble?
#864 it certainly does sound childish and personal doesn't it
Thanks Damian for what you are trying to do, pls ignore the haters. They're probably also annoyed about this real possibility of a WNBL bubble, knowing NBL is nowhere near any solution yet. And regarding money wasted, NBL will lose much more money if played..in a bubble or outside. Perhaps we should then cease to have a pro men's basketball league in this country altogether, right ?
Should we also highlight, he has written an article that he wants people to pay for.
But actually has sourced the real information from the real source.
Getting info from clubs who haven't been told the real information
If you want people to read a truthful article, get the real facts from the real source.
As mentioned before,start a separate thread for paying for content on a website.
As for hub, how much we looking at? Staying at local caravan park or suites at the Hilton? With international tourism dead would assume there's a lot of vacant hotels that would offer decent deals for a couple hundred (?) bookings.
Anon
Years ago
Qld government is throwing plenty behind spirts , in particular women's sport, Suzy Batcovic is on the council for Townsville , the likelihood is they will have a bubble for WNBL and most likely in Townsville.
These are professional athletes, Many either current or future Opals, would NBL be happy in a caravan park?, it wouldn’t even be on the table for the men , so why would it be for these women, absolutely stupid comment.
Plenty of hotels and apartments would be looking to fill their normally busy accommodation facilities
Most of the WNBL players are not professionals in the true sense and have to work like every other Australian to pay their mortgage etc
Another Anon
Years ago
So much hate.
Feel sorry for the lowlife keyboard warriors who obviously have nothing better to do with their miserable lives.
ANON
Years ago
Most of the WNBL players are not professionals in the true sense and have to work like every other Australian to pay their mortgage etc
Only part that isn't on a professional level is their pay rate .... they train full time just like the "professional males equivalents “ plus many hold down full time jobs and or run a household with kids
Don’t fit one second even assume that these women are not to be looked upon as professionals simply because of the inequality that still exists in this sporting area
They ARE professional athletes and should be respected and treated as such
All for equality but let's not go overboard. WNBL players are semi professional at best, that’s just what it plainly is. They don’t train as often as NBL players, do not attract nowhere near the attention (sadly) and are paid accordingly.
#913 Extremely well said!!!!
#916 Would love to know what insight you have in to this? Have you been involved with a WNBL & NBL team to be able to validate that statement?
Anon
Years ago
#913 #916 most clubs this year are full time. Flyers and Boomers went full-time last year and all other clubs are following this year.
Anonymous
Years ago
I am subscribed to the pick and roll and find the articles to be great (and no you shit bag, I don't have any affiliation to the site).
The pot-shots from anonymous posters is disgusting. God forbid anyone tries to make a $ following their passion.
Trev
Years ago
If you want equality then just have one league for both men and women. A competition that's open to both genders where people chosen are picked purely on their ability and worth to a team, not on gender.
Having a male and female league says the whole basketball fraternity is sexist because you can't join the men's league if you're female and you can't join the women's league if you're male.
And we should have separate leagues for short people and tall people. Like weight divisions for boxing, wrestling and weight lifting.
Jeffrey Tian
Years ago
Thanks for sharing the points Damian Arsenis.
Do you know if broadcast will be on nbl tv as well or twitch and sbs like last year.
7 weeks doesnt sound too long. I worry with the impact of COVID this year; if they have to stop midway and no audience; what it will do to the clubs financially.
Even in better times, only Perth appear to be stable club.
Regarding Olympics and the World Cup, I seriously doubt you will have an event. Even if the event goes ahead you will have countries not attending. Not every country is at the same progression in reducing the new infections. Most of the traditional main player countries like the Europeans and the Americas are struggling more than most.
Isaac
Years ago
Good on PNR for trying to monetise their efforts beyond advertising. It's seriously challenging trying to build up any sort of revenue to finance more writing. Easy to not subscribe if you don't find value in what they do.
Even if it's low level journalism, I think basketball leagues/clubs should be working to get any remotely dedicated writers or photographers accreditation for their games. All helps in some way.
ANON
Years ago
Trev
Yesterday
If you want equality then just have one league for both men and women. A competition that's open to both genders where people chosen are picked purely on their ability and worth to a team, not on gender.
Having a male and female league says the whole basketball fraternity is sexist because you can't join the men's league if you're female and you can't join the women's league if you're male.
Your concept of equality is off the charts mate, you need to re educate yourself on the meaning lol
Men and women are totally different in their biological structure, also in how they think, but it dies not diminish either as being better than the other , respect is also about seeing the differences .
ANON
Years ago
"All for equality but let's not go overboard. WNBL players are semi professional at best, that's just what it plainly is. They don’t train as often as NBL players, do not attract nowhere near the attention (sadly) and are paid accordingly."
Not sure how much you even understand about professional women in sport and that includes the WNBL
They train the same amount of hours as any male athlete in the same sport, do gym and weight sessions the same as any male counterpart , give up as much time as any male counterpart ..... but in addition to this they also ( most of them not all) need to subsidies their pay because bills don’t recognise gender sadly, a female will still have the same mortgage/rent as a male, same utilities bills, same health/house /car insurance , many of these women also have children to care for , and are the primary caters, unlike the men who can focus purely on their sport as they have wives to do all the mundane daily jobs, like cooking washing cleaning and running around after children
So you ignorant view on “semiprofessional at best” only proves you really know not understand what it actually takes for these women to be “professional athletes”
The federal government gave Foxtel 33 million last year to put women’s sports in a public focus to address the unequal promotions of women’s sports , what did they do, they put one game a week on, then filled other spots with reruns from years ago of men’s basketball
They have been given a further 10 million fir this season, only channel that shows the WNBA is NITV the indigenous channel, they didn’t get a penny of that money
If the sport isn’t promoted it does not get the following, if it doesn’t get the following , why would sponsors put money into it, if it doesn’t get the sponsors , how can they get a better pay rate
The inequality is palpable within all sports but especially in basketball, and much of it starts with ignorant uninformed attitudes like “women are not professionals “
Only a moron would say they aren't professional athletes. But they are not professional in the sense that they derive their entire income to live, pay mortgages etc from their basketball paycheck. Some do but the majority do not hence they have secular employment elsewhere.
Even if the athletes are at a professional level where the WNBL differs massively from the NBL or other sports is that the staff are not. Most teams probably have full time head coaches but all other staff like assistant coaches and managers are not paid. Big ask to get them to leave full time work for potentially months to go into a hub
ANON
Years ago
"Even if the athletes are at a professional level where the WNBL differs massively from the NBL or other sports is that the staff are not. Most teams probably have full time head coaches but all other staff like assistant coaches and managers are not paid. Big ask to get them to leave full time work for potentially months to go into a hub"
Once again the inequality rises to the top, of women's sport was given the funding, backing and promotion that men’s sport does , we wouldn’t have the inequality in pay scale
The reason they aren't given the funding is the broader community don’t want to watch women’s sport, live or on tv ( or at least pay for it- last years AFLW Grand Final as a prime example. 50,000 attended for free, if they had to pay they would be lucky to get 5,000). And that will never change. It’s pretty much the same across the entire world
ANON
Years ago
What utter rubbish, the @briader community don't get a chance
They don't give a shit about getting a chance because they aren’t interested
Just because you're not interested #010 because you’d have to put your giant chip packet down, somehow roll off your couch and climb the stairs out of your parents basement in order to attend, doesn’t mean no one else is interested.
ANON
Years ago
^haha that's gold and probably on point ..... when WNBL was on abc they had a huge following and big crowds at games
lol a Melbourne boomers , their own promotion has their stadium at capacity most games, flyers and Townsville the same and that’s without TV and media exposure , in vic you hear about the men’s basketball on the radio as well... but the women’s .... not a single word , yet our Opals have it all over the mend Boomers every time
Opals do great on the world stage but still no one watches. Camera side of the stadium at flyers is totally empty every game. Townsville get a modest crowd but that's because they have nothing else to do. Most others get paltry crowds at best. Lightning get no one even when it’s free. No one wants to watch it live or on tv. It’s just how it is.
cambage interview and photo shoot on playboy website
I have never read such a cringy interview. Her comments on being biracial focused on how she never needed to pay for a spray tan or required injectable/fillers. Her comments on carona focused on her illness in China.
I have never read such a cringy interview. Her comments on being biracial focused on how she never needed to pay for a spray tan or required injectable/fillers. Her comments on carona focused on her illness in China.
Perthworld
Years ago
Wow, Photoshop is a hell of a software package.
November to December Season
(including finals)
teams would be flying out soon to begin the hub in Queensland
I guess travel dates will be determined by who has to quarantine and who doesn't
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