Zodiac
Years ago
SEM Phoenix have re-signed Kendall Stephens to a 2 year deal (1+1) and have declined the options on Ben Madgen & Dan Trist making them both free agents.
https://nbl.com.au/news/stephens-re-signs-with-south-east-melbourne
Zodiac
Years ago
I wonder if Madgen will finally come home to play for the 36ers?
He started out with us as a development player but we lost him when he went to college and then signed with Sydney when he came back.
Madden to the Hawks as a veteran off the bench.
I like Madgen so nothing against him personally, but if Daniel Dillion is signed we already have a bench guard the wrong side of 30.
WookieE
Years ago
Madgen is a great team guy, works SUPER hard and has always been fantastic off the court, most teams would be lucky to pick him up... Trist was lucky to get a gig last season but seemed to be treated like an afterthought even though he was fairly capable when given a chance...
D2.0
Years ago
Magden I feel was meant to be a star signing for SEM, after his career in Europe, but as mentioned was already near retirement.
Still, I am surprised that with the pay-cut in place for next season, they are releasing him. His 12 points a game @42% was certainly worth having.
It may have been a mutual thing? He didn't want to take the pay-cut, and wanted to renegotiate, but SEM not prepared to go more than one year at a time.
He'll get picked up for sure. If you're trying to develop youth, he's exactly the kind of veteran you want to offer a steady hand.
(Or it could be that retirement is actually on the cards? Body could tired?)
D2.0
Years ago
Trist, I don't know, he supposedly played well in Europe, but has then underachieved since returning to Aus.
Perhaps the reffing, and resultant style of play, doesn't suit a big banger like him??
Kendall's got good size for a wing and a dead eye shooter. I thought he was underused by Mitchell - you’d assume moving forward he’s going to be a regular rotation player around 20 mins per game.
Zodiac
Years ago
Stephens was disappointing but maybe to convince him to re-sign as he does have genuine potential they're giving him the starting SG spot at Madgen's expense?
Kendall showed promise in some game but defensively he was a liability. Trist was good in Spain but played at the second level. Jois was horrible and has no concept of team basketball.
5'9 Roberson/6’1 Adnam
6’6 Gliddon/6’2 Gibson
6’6 Te Rangi/6’7 Stephens
6’6 Creek/6’7 White
6’7 Wesley/6’9 Pineau
Trist's reputation was meant to be awesome when he returned from EU. Since then and certainly in SEABL he was never of any high level nor a threat. How he got and NBL gig is amazing to me. You can see the way Madgen plays that the game has left him behind.
5'9 Roberson/6'1 Adnam
6’6 Gliddon/6’2 Gibson/6’4 Hickey(DP)
6’6 Te Rangi/6’7 Stephens
6’6 Creek/6’7 White/(DP)-Maybe Wetzell, Peatling, Galloway or another college kid.
6’7 Wesley/6’9 Pineau
If they don't sign te Rangi, it’ll be a centre or power forward instead with creek playing the 3.
Cornholio
Years ago
Creek and Wesley very undersized if they're your starting 4/5.
PlaymakerMo
Years ago
Pineau is probably starting unless they pick up a stud 5. Mitchell loves the kid.
Without te Rangi
Roberson/Adnam
Gliddon/Gibson
Creek/Stephens
Wesley/White
Pineau/? (Has to be Aussie or kiwi)
Who's potentially left
Landale
Brandt
Kickert
Reath
Salt
Froling
Pledger
Pinder
Madgen stunk it up all year and was on good coin so the option be declined was always happening.
Trist is a nice NBL1 player at best so no loss to the league.
Trist didn't play top level Europe. SEABL imports play at the 2nd teir 3rd tier he did so no surprise he sucks in NBL
Madgen, meh. Not much tread left on those tyres.
With the outbreak going on, who would want to play in Melbourne. Looking like most other cities will get crowds, if things continue to go to shit there, Melbourne teams may have to go elsewhere. Perhaps a good chance for a dry run in NZ and Tassie.
Trist was never good, had ok numbers in a shitty Spanish 2nd league. Too slow and unathletic to make it in today's NBL. Madgen did some nice things in Europe but the league has improved immensely since he last played here. He was found out and struggled with his scoring and I'm sure age plays a factor in that.
Problem with Madgen is he still thinks he is a star. Sooks when he doesn't get calls and just takes bad shots sometimes without realising that players are better. Maybe can make a renaissance like Barlow but needs to put ego aside and realise he's just a role playing shooter now. He was always an arrogant Dick though throughout juniors here though.
Teams will get deeper rosters in the next few years. Yes there are some mediocre players at the end of benches.
Adnam is not the worst player in the league by a long way
Addams is better than a lot players in his position in this league.
koberulz
Years ago
People on here seem to think about half the league is "below NBL standard", which makes one wonder how "NBL standard" is defined if it's not by, y'know, playing in the NBL.
Jack Toft
Years ago
Madgen to Sydney or the Gong. No chance of him in Adelaide
Mitchell might love Pineau but if he is your starting centre you aren't a good team.
Pineau classic bench nbl player so you’d think the go and chase a big.
You'd think they got Stephens on a team friendly deal as he wouldn't have had teams lining up to sign him as he is a bench/depth guy at best.
If he played in Perth or Sydney last year he wouldn't have even seen the floor.
Adelaide will definitely have a look at Madgen. They shouldn't but they will.
Sourbroker
Years ago
Sydney have an offer out to a young gun - three years, big moola.
Coach certainly loves a good cause so expect they'll get there man
Sourbroker
Years ago
Not sure what loving a good cause has to do with anything. His star player despises good causes.
SourBroker
the young gun 3yr offer a College player free agent or import
Oliver best import big in the league last year so not surprising that everyone wants him
White on long term deal or ns Wigness me thinks.
Isaac
Years ago
Surely SEM can shoulder Pineau as a starter if the others include Roberson, Creek and Wesley. Some strong teams have had competent role players that don't rock the boat or disrupt flow - Rees and Stiff in Adelaide were two, Egan with the Tigers, Tovey with Perth/etc.
Sourbroker
Years ago
Domestic.
If the league doesn't have the likes of Bogut and Plumlee then Pineau is fine at the five. Pretty sure Wesley is coming off the bench.
D2.0
Years ago
People on here seem to think about half the league is "below NBL standard", which makes one wonder how "NBL standard" is defined if it's not by, y'know, playing in the NBL
LoveBroker
Years ago
Ben Madgen shot the 3 at 33%, the same % as Tryst, except Madgen was the starting shooting guard.
You'd thing having someone wit as much gravity as Roberson at your side, you could shoot a bit better than that.
Madgen can still play in the NBL, as a 6th or 7th man, at near league minimum less Covid discount.
Pineau starting doesn't allow you to really compete with those top team who have really stong starting centers
Bogut/Oliver/Long etc are guys he simply can't compete with.
LoveBroker
Years ago
Adnam is not the worst player in the league because the league has had players like Zac Delany, Scott Christophersen, Billy Preston and Kevin White.
Saying Adnam is not the worst player is not a ringing enodrsement.
Sourbroker
Years ago
Says a bloke who's never played at a level even remotely close to NBL level.
Bogut, Oliver and long...
Long won't be here. Bogut half season if at all. Oliver has offers elsewhere
Starter/Backup/extra
Perth-C?/Majok
Adelaide-Humphries/Salt possibly
SEM-Pineau/C?
Melbourne-C?/Acuil
Sydney-C?/Hunter
Illawara-C?/Ogilvy
Brisbane-Hodgson/H.Froling possibly/Harrison
Cairns-potentially Oliver possibly/Jawai/S.Froling possibly
NZ-potentially Loe/Ashley possibly
AngusH
Years ago
Adnam is far from the worst player in the league. He's a very handy backup PG.
Re: Madgen being past it, he had an amazing cold streak for most of the season. It's not like his game relies on supreme athleticism or anything like that - he works hard off the ball and for the most part got a lot of good looks last season but they just didn't drop. I don't see any reason why he wouldn't be a useful signing next season, but most likely as first guard off the bench than starter.
Sourbroker yet to provide us with a name for rumoured Sydney player on " big moolah".
if we guess it right will u tell us sourboker
my guess
NBL Naar or Dech
oversea Matt Kenyon
College Dejan vasiljevic
Cornholio
Years ago
Domestic tick ( ie not overseas last season).
Guard tick
Young ( under 25/26 ) ?
they cant sign anyone until 1/7 so must be still a romour
Glover, I heard but not on the big coin. I don't believe it though. At a guess I’m backing Oliver or Landale.
Sourbroker
Years ago
If anyone thinks clubs are waiting until July 1 to open negotiations you can log off now.
So U r saying there talking not signing talk to a player means nothing until there signed
Do the rules allow you to talk to players before the free agency start ? Contractually you would think the club you're with not be happy unless they gave you permission.
proud
Years ago
Sydney could do worse than have Madgen and Bruce coming off the bench to give Louzada and (yet to be unnamed import point guard).
I'd imagine he would be a good influence on Didi as well.
Could he return with the desire of having his number retired ?
Weaver talks about setting the team up for the future, Madgen doesn't fit that bill at his age.
Zodiac
Years ago
I'd imagine he would be a good influence on Didi as well.
Sourbroker
Years ago
It's not Madgen. Could be if the player offered rejects the offer.
Intersting times ahead for Sydney is what I hear.
WHAT ABOUT BRANDT AS THE BIG AS HE IS BACK HOME FROM ITALY.
Smith supposedly tightening the purse strings at Sydney.
Brandt said not enough money for him to stay in Australia unless he got a massive offer.
BeeGee
Years ago
Realistically is Brandt even worth 'big money' that he could get in Europe? I'd suspect not?
Zodiac
Years ago
I think Brandt would know he's not worth superstar money in the NBL just that he likely makes a lot more in Europe than he could make here.
"Smith supposedly tightening the purse strings at Sydney." Interesting times ahead in that area.
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