They don't have any games planned so well done.

Or is it because of covid symptoms after attending BLM protests?

She is an idiot

If Olivia Simmons directly states in multiple social media posts that BA is racist and Cambage also implies it, then it must be true. After all these are two grounded, intelligent individuals who definitely wouldn't jump to conclusions, contradict their own logic, or make baseless public accusations.

It's so obvious that BA are racist that there isn't even a need to provide specific examples that indicate systematic hate and oppression from the basketball community. C'mon, that's just common sense!

BA should be ashamed of themselves for not hastily weighing in on a highly nuanced issue, via a movement that does not directly concern them.

End /s.

Just piss her off out of the team ... she is a trouble maker and always has been. We all have sympathy for the BLM protest but dont bring foreign issues to Australia

Liz Cambage, patty mills, Ben Simmons, dante Exum, thon maker, deng Adel, Xavier Cooks, josh green, kouat Noi, Jonah bolden, Dyson Daniels, fiston Ipassou, josh duach, tyrese Proctor, David okwera, Jeffrey ofoedu, Ezi Magbegor, Agnes Emma Nnopu, shaneice Swain, India Bowyer, nyadiew puoch etc,etc etc. I'm sure I’m missing quite a few that have represented aus(BA) in recent times.


So far, 1 person is not happy with BA.
I would like to know what others on the list think about BA before making judgement.

"Until we have DJ booths in every locker room, I refuse to attend any Opals camps" - E Cambage

BA should be ashamed of themselves for not hastily weighing in on a highly nuanced issue, via a movement that does not directly concern them

You don't think racism concerns them?

What do you want BA to do?

Have another read of that quote, 724. You can opposite racism without campaigning for BLM.

Moot point, given BA's statement today.

What is BLM if its not a movement against racism?

BA had put this pretty strong statement detailing support and actions taken and commenced dated 14 June, and on website before the Cambage and Ohea posts today?

It wasn't on social media so the brain dead chicks didn’t see it

think Olgun Uluc also threw BA under the bus here on twitter, not checking out when BA release was!

he posted
So, basically: it took Basketball Australia's most successful senior national team threatening to boycott training for the organization to finally come out and publicly express its solidarity with those fighting for racial justice.

The players posted their stance on social media several hours before BA's release.

^^^ nope it was on BAs website before they posted.

https://twitter.com/kein/status/1273502155924635651

so lack of communication perhaps, and appears Uluc also says he "noticed"the date on release, still criticized BA with out checking it out first.

Ah ok, I didn't realise. Yep, comes down to bad communication.

Olgun is so bad. Without Moldovan feeding him he would be useless other than w a box of donuts

If anything, you should be criticizing the favoritism BA blatantly practise. Not the racism. Favoritism/ nepotism affects players from any race.

BA been actively helping get black players into Australia a imports since the 70's!

Ba been actively get black people naturalised since the 80’s

BA engaging African communities for the last 30 years.

Damn BA are a racist institution look how h th year treated Liz with all the help and development asssitamce and pay a girl could ever dream off!

BA are pretty much the KKK at this point

Without her we would suck and not even be a top 8 team but yes she's a constant frustration.

Playing in China is ok though

Yes you got it. China is fine. The salary they pay is enough to turn a blind eye to their human and animal rights record.

She's going to kneel in Tokyo no doubt about it.

How is Cambage racist?

She is not racist she is just someone who wants attention more than she actually wants things fixed

So true. I mean, all those that she's been vocal about over the years have totally been fixed so who know why she still speaks up about them.

Feel bad for her really, being 6'8 women of colour and standing out like dogs balls plus the fact her father was not around would have had such a huge effect on your mental health. Liv simmons, another outspoken individual I believe suffers from bipolar so u have to take that into account.
Wish the best for both of them.

Stephen A said a similar statement regarding Kyrie's commentary. Whats your gameplan?
Is it just a case of "old man yells at cloud"? What do you want changed? What are you lobbying for?
How have you been treated poorly?

Don't just scream broad statements and expect people to come up with the answer for you

I feel bad for #814

BA and the players had a chat today statement here -

https://australia.basketball/blog/2020/06/19/joint-statement-from-basketball-australia-and-the-australian-opals/

So they had a day off from training when we do not have any upcoming games and tournaments...

When Liv Alice Simmons and Liz Cambage are the face of your cause here in Aus, good luck having people take it seriously!

They're not the face of any cause. People have chosen to ignore their cause because they don't like them as people. Says more about you than them.

Dude, a 6'8 women stands out,... I’ve seen her out and about in Melbourne and she gets gawked at non stop.

The average women height is 5'4 in Aus, she is 15 inches taller than the average women.
In China she’s 18 inches taller.

When has she ever used her colour as an excuse for her behaviour? That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

It's her very own platform now. Cute crocodile tears on the news

This is awesome it shows the Opals & BA will do whatever Liz wants as long as she plays!

Next thing you know she'll be skipping training camp to DJ.

It actually shows they are treating the issue seriously. It shouldn't have taken a player protest for that to happen though.

Why is it relevant or mentioned that we should learn about US history?

Do they understand we are Australian?

Cabbage hahahaha I see what you did there. Classic. She is hated so much that the whole team is standing with her for this cause. Here is a thought. Maybe it is possible to unite with someone for a good cause even if they are a sook on the court. Maybe there are bigger issues in the world today than tech fouls.

Do they understand we are in Australia?

Do you understand that Basketball Australia engages and employs with Black Americans, and that the problems aren't isolated to just America?

So the put out a video to tell us we need to learn about the USA?

Its a joke and pandering to Liz so she'll play its that simple.

Why is it a joke?

If you enjoy watching basketball in Australia then I assume you've seen some of those Black American players play here. Some of them have been pretty good and are a huge part of the history of the leagues here. They've also probably gone through some shit in their lives due to the systemic racism in America.

If you enjoy watching them play but think its a joke to have to learn about some of the struggles they've faced then you're a bit of a selfish dick.

Australian schools already teach basic US history. That's all that needs to be taught. Teach a bit more indigenous history and we will be on the right track. If you want more go study it at tertiary level. No point wasting time in primary/high school in something that isn’t going to give you skills to get a job in the real world.

So what does another countries issues and systematic racist have to do with us?

Plenty of things to focus on within Australia and our own history and nothing we learn in Australia will have any effect on the USA and its issues as last i checked we can't vote in the US elections.

We have a large number of Serbian/Croat background players in Australia are we getting this stuff shoved down our throats? What about other immigrant communities should we learn about them as well?

Its a joke to pander to Cabbage

Yes we should learn about them all as much as possible.

Why are you so against being aware of issues in other countries, particularly when they relate to racism?

Done coal media hahahaha idiot

So over this crap - Once ago pandering to the loudest voice. Where was the video when she missed training for a music festival or swore at an umpire and got booted? As someone that watches alot of Womens Basketball she is not someone to look up to or support and the sooner we stop pandering to her the better.
Also no lock down for Liz when she attended BLM?

Hahahahaha comparing missing training to racism. Good one.

Cabbage told people to stay home on twitter to save her White Granny then was in a crowd of people chanting and climbing up bus stops so fair to say she is nothing but a hypocrite.

Liz along the way has also been more than happy to take the money from the "racists" she so condemns

Or another way of looking at it, the people that pay black people to play sports should also be able to show solidarity with them when they're fighting for justice.

#977 it's covered in basic US history. It isn’t going to help a kid in year 10 at Glen Waverley High School pass his maths exam is it.

Actually it's not covered in basic US history, that's why they are trying to bring awareness to the issues.

Who said they are trying to help kids pass high school? They are trying to educate people on these ongoing issues so they can understand why black people find themselves in the places they're in today before passing judgement based on skin colour.

I don't know that the criticism of Cambage is either racist or sexist but I do know it's idiotic to ignore what she's saying just because she did something years ago that rubbed people the wrong way.

koberulz has never written anything that could be construed as rude or vitriolic, so he has the authority to make sarcastic remarks about oft-asserted, but rarely substantiated, evidence of racism and sexism in this country.

Rarely substantiated? Ok boomer.

So let's take class time away from maths to learn about racism in America. And when the kid fails year 12 for spending time learning about something his parents should teach him (racism) he can become a professional BLM protester and get his income from the government fortnightly.

You might have half a leg to stand on if you wanted to teach indigenous history

"So let's take class time away from maths to learn about racism in America. And when the kid fails year 12 for spending time learning about something his parents should teach him (racism) he can become a professional BLM protester and get his income from the government fortnightly."

This is the shittest take ever.

"Rarely substantiated? Ok boomer."

I'm in my 20s. I'll fairly consider any evidence of systematic racism or sexism in Australia, if you can provide it.

Yes, the guy who says claims of racism are rarely substantiated is totally going to have an impartial response to any evidence provided.

Mate, I'm just suggesting that evidence and objective interpretation ought to be presented when making assertions. In my experience, this hasn't been the case.

The Oz government spend over $15Billion a year on Indigenous people directly so if that racist we are in a heap of trouble as a country and those sorts of figures have been spend for years!

They make up about 3.3% of the population and get more support and opportunities than any of group in this country with lower uni scores required, social programs and financial support that is far beyond what any other group receives.

Is it perhaps systematically racist to single them out as a group for all this extra funding? Perhaps thats what creates the systematic racism you speak of and we should get rid of the extra funding thats provided so they feel part of Australia and not singled out for special treatment.

They absolutely do not get more opportunities than others. They are so disadvantaged because of the historical racism. Anything we are doing to help them now should not be seen as them being advantaged.

Cram, obviously the injustices of Australia's colonisation were born from racist beliefs then, and still affect indigenous people today. As 092 says: we've attempted, and will continue to make reparations and do right by those whose ancestors were clearly wronged.

But if we're to make any meaningful progress, then it requires an honest discussion from all sides.

I'm genuinely open to hearing about instances of modern-day systematic racism (still nothing from 020). If I'm misinformed I want to know how so.

I love the one "more indigenous youth are incarcerated than anyone else..." maybe stop breaking the fucking law! Smh what happened to your ancestors 250 years ago has nothing to do with them breaking the law in 2020. Yeah racism caused me to do a break and enter!

#104, the issues Indigenous people have faced didn't end 250 years ago. That's the same disingenuous argument people use when discussing Black Americans ie slavery ended hundreds of years ago, therefore it's got nothing to do with today's issues.

#102, you've gone from suggesting that evidence of racism and sexism is often unsubstantiated, to demanding examples of modern day systemic racism (which is somewhat of an oxymoron). You're not genuinely interested in a discussion - you're mind is quite obviously made up that racism doesn't exist.

Indigenous people just like white people, Asians, Mexicans, Indians etc have the ability to make their own decisions and then be responsible for those decisions. If you break the law in 2020 you go to jail. It's quite simple for every member of the community..don’t break the law and you won’t go to Jail. Adam Goodes was on the receiving end of years of racism...he didn’t then choose to commit a crime and blame it on said racism. Stop making excuses for people.

Why do you think Indigenous people commit more crime?

Why are there more Asian drug dealers?

They are both ridiculous questions. Why do multi millionaires commit white collar crime? There is no answer. But the principles for the entire community are the same. If you don't break the law you don’t go to jail. If you don’t speed you don’t get a speeding fine. If you don’t drink and drive you don’t get done for DUI. If you don’t use your phone when you’re driving you don’t get a $1000 fine and lose demerit points. It’s very simple for everyone. If you DON’T break the law you DON’T go to jail.

107, I said that instances of racism and sexism are often unsubstantiated because the go-to argument for many is to blame systematic racism and the patriarchy, respectively, without facts to support this claim.

How is "modern day systemic racism" an oxymoron? Segregation laws would be an example, if they were still in effect today, as it was literally a product of the legislative system.

As I've said already: I'm not doubting historical racism or the impact it has today. That doesn't mean that our current laws, policies or societal values are fundamentally racist - i.e. 'systematic'.

"you're mind is quite obviously made up that racism doesn't exist."

I've literally already said racism does exist and it should be condemned. My point is that it occurs on an individual level more than societal, and typically virtue signalling neglects or misrepresents facts - hence it being generally unsubstantiated.

"You're not genuinely interested in a discussion"

I've been pretty cordial in stating my position, and have invited a rational response multiple times.

It's pretty clear you're the one that's not interested in a discussion because I hold a different opinion/perspective to you. This is essentially the broader problem I was eluding to originally.

"Why are there more Asian drug dealers?"

Huh?

We know that Indigenous people are over-represented in crime statistics, same with Black Americans. Part of the education that the BLM movement wants is understanding why that is, and a major reason is the systemic and ongoing racism that both countries have perpetrated.

"Why do you think Indigenous people commit more crime?"

Thank you! This is an example of a genuinely important question that warrants being addressed, and not because indigenous-australians are solely to blame like other posters have asserted.

I read an anecdotal account of a former NT-resident on reddit a few weeks ago that was really eye-opening to the crime-related issues faced by the indigenous community, the white community, the police and government of the NT.

If I can find it I'll re-post it here.

"107, I said that instances of racism and sexism are often unsubstantiated because the go-to argument for many is to blame systematic racism and the patriarchy, respectively, without facts to support this claim."

There are plenty of facts to support this claim. If you look past the strawman of "slavery ended hundreds of years ago" and actually understand what America has done since then, you'll understand why its very easy to substantiate. Once slavery ended, mass incarceration was introduced (basically, ongoing slavery) and Black people were over-represented in this. Then the Jim Crow laws came in and the segregation and mistreatment of Blacks from those times is certainly not something that disappeared since the Civil Rights Acts were introduced.

Police brutality has been around for 100's of years, at times because of a close alliance between law enforcement and the KKK. To add to that, less funding for essential services (housing, education) in predominantly Black areas has been provided than more affluent areas.

The over-representation in mass incarceration has continued throughout, where "law and order" has been a popular vote winner, even though the policies created have targeted minorities (along with the policing) even when committing the same crimes. Of course, something that is taken to an election and voted on by white moderates can't be easily overturned because voter suppression of minorities continues to be an issue and in some states is just pure corruption.

I'm not the problem here. Its ignorant people like yourself that have got zero idea of the history of systemic racism yet instantly dismiss it as a valid reason why Black people find themselves in the positions they are in today.

There are plenty of poor, uneducated and marginalised people who don't turn to crime.

No one said there weren't.

In Aust despite the massive money thrown at the Indigenous programs and people they still commit significantly more crime, quite often its crime on other indigenous community members so i'm not sure how racism comes into the reporting and prosecuting of those crimes when the imprisonment actually protects other members of those indigenous communities.

Should we change the rules of our court system for 3.3% of the population? Is the current funding models and preferential treatment not dividing us enough already?

The push back from middle Australia seems justified when radicals take a "Sins of the Father" approach, many above suggest we should take and keep paying for "our sins of the past"

Considering the majority of the tax base paying the $15Bil weren't even alive when the issues and gov policies caused the pain/suffering why should they keep paying?

#122 but only indigenous Australia use it as an excuse

So we treat them like shit for a couple of hundred years, throw some money at them for the last 20 years, and then when they don't sort themselves out we should just stop trying to fix the issues?

So we treat us like shit for a couple of hundred years, throw some money at we for the last 20 years, and then when we don't sort usselves out we should just stop trying to fix the issues?

Fixed. Thanks Ads.

Any other group would kill for this sort of money and free ride the indigenous get.

Things weren't great for a number of years but why should People who had absolutely nothing to do with it pay for it? (Clearly pissin money against a wall!)

The best thing is half the black lives matter knobs in Australia have never even suffered like the older indigenous people do and they get all the benefits but of course they still not happy we all know they just looking for an excuse for their failure/crimes.

Who should pay for it then? No one?

Despite the "free ride" Indigenous people get, I sure as hell would not want to be an Indigenous person in this country.

Everyone who is like 1/16th seems to want to claim it so must be a reason for that?

Claim what? You're just making stuff up.

Why should anyone pay for it? Other races don't get the same
Level of handouts and open doors. Go get an education and then go get a job like everyone else. If you can’t you get the dole like everyone. And I think the point of the above anon is that there are plenty of snowflake white indigenous people (who receive the same white privilege day by day anonymously in the wider community) who put their hands out for indigenous handouts.

The Opals was once all about the team and the culture of the team. Now it seems to be more about the individual and the culture of the individuals.

Why should anyone pay for it? Other races don't get the same

That's because we have fucked over other races like we've done to the indigenous people. You keep saying why should we pay for it - who pays for it then?

*haven't fucked over

No one. Get your own education like everyone else. Get your own job like everyone else. If you can't do that you get the same old garden variety welfare that every other race gets. Simple really

Hopefully someone has showed Liz Patty Mills' efforts and donation for BLM movements.

What happened to the guy who wanted a cordial discussion and invited responses? He seemed to disappear when provided with what he asked for.

"Hopefully someone has showed Liz Patty Mills' efforts and donation for BLM movements."

What's your point?

848, this is the first time I looked at the thread since you told me for the 5th time that I didn't want a discussion, despite my attempts to engage.

Excuse me for deciding not putting up with your bullshit any longer :)

You got your response quite soon after demanding it but you won't respond? My "bullshit" was avoiding this inevitable outcome - it was a complete waste of time to give you the run-down of systemic racism because, as I said repeatedly, you'd already decided it didn't exist.

Total direct expenditure on services for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Australians in 2012-13 was estimated to be $30.3 billion, accounting for 6.1% of total direct general government expenditure.

Estimated expenditure per person in 2012-13 was $43,449 for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Australians.

Think you can clearly say its a free ride!

You also left out the part where it compares to programs for non-Indigenous Australians

That doesn't mean every Indigenous person gets $40k in their hand each year. That money goes to programs that are needed to try and close gaps between their lives and ours.

Would you honestly want to be treated the way Indigenous people are in this country? And don't just talk about this $40k nonsense - consider everything that they encounter and tell us you'd swap places?

The other 97% of the population get around the 20K mark spend on them.

Talk about dividing a population by birth, its modern day racism

"The other 97% of the population get around the 20K mark spend on them."

So you're interpretation of the gap in spending per capita is that they are lucky and getting a free ride?

"Talk about dividing a population by birth, its modern day racism"

I don't know what that means.

Why the gap? ITs a rule for one and not the other....that systemic racism in the favor of the Aboriginal.

oh dear...

Lets even out the funding so we don't single out any one group within the community because thats systemic racism to its core.

Its actually not but keeping having a whinge about what advantages you think Indigenous people have.

They did invent a stick so guess that's at least something

Latest Opals squad includes Heal, Rocci & Shelley good to see

NAME: CURRENT TEAM:
Rebecca Allen - Valencia, Spain / New York Liberty
Zitina Aokuso - JCU Townsville Fire
Sara Blicavs - Jayco Southside Flyers
Elizabeth Cambage - Las Vegas Aces
Rebecca Cole - Jayco Southside Flyers
Katie-Rae Ebzery - Perth Lynx
Darcee Garbin - Perth Lynx
Cayla George - Deakin Melbourne Boomers
Kelsey Griffin* - University of Canberra Capitals
Shyla Heal - JCU Townsville Fire
Tessa Lavey - Bendigo Spirit
Tess Madgen - Deakin Melbourne Boomers
Ezi Magbegor - Seattle Storm/Deakin Melbourne Boomers
Tiana Mangakahia - Syracuse University, USA
Leilani Mitchell* - Washington Mystics/ Jayco Southside Flyers
Lauren Nicholson - JCU Townsville Fire
Jenna O'Hea - Jayco Southside Flyers
Maddison Rocci - University of Canberra Capitals
Jaz Shelley - University of Oregon, USA
Alanna Smith - Phoenix Mercury/ Adelaide Lightning
Stephanie Talbot - Adelaide Lightning
Marianna Tolo - University of Canberra Capitals
Sami Whitcomb* - Perth Lynx

*Restricted Player, only one can be named in a final term of 12.

https://australia.basketball/blog/2020/07/13/ba-2020-senior-national-womens-squad/