I'm sure the NBA will continue.

Whilst I'm a supporter of BLM, this guy also thinks the earth is flat. The Nets have also had concerns over his mental health this season.

I find it slightly ironic as he won't be playing due to injury anyway.

For other players I believe it's no play no pay.

BLM!

NBA will continue.

He would never speak to Delly at the Cavs. He wouldn't even acknowledge him.

He should go join the basketball league on the underneath side of the world. I don't think corona virus affected them at all.

NBA will continue.

Well said Lovebroker.
Also the NBA will continue.

Why pay for electronics when you can just go looting.

Maybe his point is that protesting in ways that make white people comfortable hasn't work so far so maybe it's time to try something else. They don't want the past few weeks to go to waste once they start playing basketball again.

Bureau of Land Management.

I googled BLM :)

Seems many people value a stolen iPhone over the lives of black people

3,2,1 Isaac has locked the thread.....

Apparently Kyrie boycotting the season actually will cost him his salary he would be due if he was injured and not playing, but it could also open the door for the NBA to cancel the current CBA and renegotiate it relative to the revenue they've received or are going to receive for this season which would be bad for a lot of players coming upto free agency over the next few years.

Cj Mccollum who is an NBAPA VP has said as much over the past few days that it will cost the players dearly if a boycott goes ahead so it'll be interesting to see if the rank and file follow the lead of a couple of top players knowing their career earnings could be severely affected by this decision as they have a relatively short window to maximise career earnings in comparison to the Kyrie's, Carmelo Anthony's and Dwight Howard's of the league who have also been mentioned as considering boycotting.

"I don't support going into Orlando," Irving told the players. “I’m not with the systematic racism and the bullshit. ... Something smells a little fishy. Whether we want to admit it or not, we are targeted as black men every day we wake up.”

Says the man who has earnwd over 150million in playing salaries not to mentio n his current Endorsements which he rakes in 20+m annually.

Imagine being a minimum guy trying to make a living?

Dwight Howard is a loon as well. Two guys known for damaging every locker room they've been a part of

Exactly!!! ^^^^. Hypocrites of the highest order

Cant wait for more Stephen Jackson videos! Same
Guy who was on record happily gloating about starting a shootout in Indiana!!!

Thankfully LeBron who is more respected in the NBA has different ideas to Irving.

Lebron standing up for Hong Kong were the quotes of the year. Human rights and all yeah?

I have posted them below.

LV, you're actually telling black people to protest in a way that is more suitable to you. I don't know if you realise how ignorant that is.

Writing stuff on sneakers does what exactly? And why does he have to donate HIS entire salary? It's white people who are responsible for the systemic racism in America yet you want black people to write the cheques. Now I'm not suggesting white people start donating their salaries, I'm just pointing out the ridiculousness of your comment.

You've basically just said black people can do stuff as long as it doesn't impact you.

Did he ask to be paid if he didn't play?

^^^Would he be doing the same if he was a rookie, or a minimum salary player??

At the end of the day protesting and setting things on fire can only accomplish to much. It brings attention to the matter, but it doesn't necessarily resolve it.

If the players want to not play basketball until racism is over, they won't be playing for a long time. It will be a gradual process.

I think LeBron is setting a good example by starting groups of high profile people encouraging young people to vote if they care about these issues. Trying to influence change by educating rather than just showing anger.

Not if Lebrons influencing of peoplw to vote, vote opposite of what he would want!

No political side will fix racism.

Irving is such a cancer he luck Lebron made him famous at the Cav's otherwise he'd be a highlight guys on a poor performing team.

I didn't misrepresent anything he said.

The NBA will continue.

There is a real risk of lockout for 2020/21 if the current season is not completed.

There was a guy who silently protested about police brutality a few years ago, but he was told that was disrespectful, he was blackballed by his employer and called a son of a bitch by the president, so no conversation took place about his message. Here we are a few years later with no solution in sight, only this time the method of protests was initially violent, but overall loud and persistent, and the general message is that enough is enough.

LV suggested that Irving write BLM prominently on his shoes, so really we've gone full circle, so in reality if we keep on allowing white people to dictate the correct method of protesting then nothing will change.

He also suggested that Irving donate his money to improve the cause. I'm not against that although I don't know why LV is putting the onus on Irving to spend the money to solve the problems. Maybe he wasn't purely suggesting that but it's noticeable that's his initial position on the matter.

I know you're a person who refuses to believe white privilege exists but these sorts of "suggestions" sum it up perfectly. Forgive me for taking a position that it's not the place of white people to tell black people how to protest anymore.

Telling white people that it's time to listen for a change, is creating divide and being discriminatory? Ok then, I didn't realise you were that precious.

Sorry rjd, I'll stop oppressing you now. ALL LIVES MATTER!

I did respond. I think your attempt to find equivalence between centuries of mistreatment of black people, and me telling white people to sit this one out, is nonsense.

Protest any way you like. But violence and looting will not solve the problem in any way shape or form.

Question?
Do trailer park living white people who are dirt poor have privilege?

Not as much as Lebron James

"Do trailer park living white people who are dirt poor have privilege?"

They have more privilege than trailer park living dirt poor black people that's for sure

Do explain.....^^^^

"It's called expecting one to have consistent principles, no matter how big or small an issue."

Why should I apply the same principle of equality to these situations? In one case, one group of people has been treated poorly for centuries. Another is apparently being treated equally poorly by not being allowed to dictate how protests should occur. The severity of the two situations is not comparable so I am in now way obliged to be "consistent."

Aside from being ludicrous, I've already provided an example of how similar silent protests suggested by white still don't work, hence my position that they need to sit this one out.

Yes poor white people have more privileges than poor black people. For one, they are less likely to be stopped by police for no reason. They'll also be treated better for any medical issues, and they probably won't have their voting rights suppressed (unless they live in the same trailer park as the black people).

And please tell me how protests such as burning down the restaurant where Brooks was killed or the fortress in Seattle where a warlord is handing out assault rifles helps the cause? All it will do is either A) get more black people incarcerated or B) if Trump sends the military into Seattle get more black people killed.

"please tell me how protests such as burning down the restaurant where Brooks was killed"

It won't.

"the fortress in Seattle where a warlord is handing out assault rifles"

That isn't happening. What is happening is the people have had enough of the lawlessness of the police.

Also, Trump just can't send in the National Guard.

Maybe watch the news re-seattle

Maybe dont watch Fox News re-seattle.

Agreed it was wrong but it was also a white person who did it. I would normally say that white people shouldn't be burning things down but rjd might think I am oppressing white people again.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackkelly/2020/06/14/meet-raz-simone-the-alleged-warlord-of-the-capitol-hill-autonomous-zone/#74163ffa523f

"Burning down the Wendy's because Brooks died outside is one of the worst things I have seen in this whole saga."

I think the ongoing police brutality during protests of police brutality is pretty bad too but I get, that Wendy's building was nice.

And I've already explained why it's not inconsistent. If you don't like being mocked, don't come up with ridiculous arguments.

Stats dont back up the riots. Period.
Less Black ppl die at the hands of police than whites.
Oh you want the per capita argument?
Now look up crimes per capita between the same 2 metrics.

You also might argue that blacks get longer sentences than whites for same crime. I totally agree.
The cause is not what you think though.
Generally more white people can afford better lawyers and reps. And usually a higher % of black people who commit the same crimes have a state appointed lawyer, who usually suck. This is FACT.


There are absolute dickhead cops, and even a few racist ones, sure. But to throw this on every cop, and better yet every white person will further divide the cause. As we are seeing now.

I was hoping Donald was gone, but I fear this whole saga will get him re elected.

^Idiot.

Blacks and Hispanics are nine times more likely to be stopped and searched than white people.

Just read the first few paragraphs.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1300/J076v30n01_01?journalCode=wjor20

Racist idiots exist

But so does Data.

Whats your point?

There is no point just providing data if you're going to ignore the context.

Obv you didnt read it.
These are not petty crimes.......But homicides.
Stats dont lie.
Are Chicago crime figures white privileges fault?

Are there racist cops/people? FOR SURE.
Is every cop or non black racist? NO

Stats don't lie but you don't have any idea how to interpret them.

It's funny that you're happy to see an over representation by black people in crime figures as justification to tar them all with the same brush while at the same time saying its unfair to judge all cops by a select few.

Did you see the cops in Buffalo who pushed the old man to the ground, then refused to render assistance? And then when the two cops were stood down, a further 22 resigned from the squad to show solidarity for their workmates? Two cops knocked an old man to the ground, were rightly punished, but the rest of them didn't approve. Don't give me that "not all cops" crap because it is all cops who have allowed this lawlessness by police to exist for decades.

If the old man had moved back like he was told to (repeatedly) there would have been no need for contact. At some point people must take responsibility for their own actions/decisions. He was told to move back and didn't. Should they have called in a wheelchair (wow look at this frail old man protesting and not listening to instructions, best we stop moving forward) and have escorted him away whilst ordering him a cup of tea and a muffin? Give me a spell. They are in a riot situation pushing people back. Do as you're told and move back. It's pretty simple really.

Wow, you're actually blaming the old man for the police action. No wonder police brutality continues to occur.

Don't 40% of police families experience domestic violence?

^^^ dont give me that "not all cops" crap.
By the same logic, dont give me that not all blacks crap.

Silly, very silly.
I simply stated facts about crimes in the US.
The rhetoric around cops killing only black men at high numbers doesnt show in the stats. Sorry

The US has a trigger heavy dickhead cop problem.
Not KKK cops just looking for a black man to kill like the media makes out.

Hate and division makes $$$$& and the brainwashed that won't even look at stats put under their noses keep fanning those flames

So you're admitting you think all blacks are a problem?

If the old man moved back like he was instructed to does he get pushed over?? Simply question really. With an equally simple answer. No he does not.

I was taught to do as I am told and obey the police. If I get told to get back I get back. It's not a difficult concept. The old man should have got back. The force the policeman used was hardly brutality...fucking left wing PC wankers ffs

I didn't see much outrage from you lot about the policeman who got shot in the back of the head at point blank range at the Las Vegas protests...very silent there.

Next time you get robbed or mugged or your house get's broken into make sure you do not call the police. They are all dogs.

Ok so it's political correctness now to not want cops to bash people and knock old people over and leave them with head injuries. Gotcha.

As stated if the old man moved back like he was instructed too he would not have been touched. Pretty simple concept even for you.

I see you ignored the Las Vegas policeman shooting...didn't suit your one sided argument I guess. No surprise

No I ignored it because it was an entirely irrelevant comment to make when we're discussing solving the issue of police brutality.

The old man approached two police. There was no immediate threat to the police. One pushed him back, he fell down and hit his head, then not one single officer rendered first aid. Then when the police were stood down, other police quit in solidarity. If your only response is that it's the old man's fault instead of understanding why it's a callous act by 22 cops, then you're probably just a bully yourself.

What about Breonna Taylor? Want to talk about her? I guess that was her fault that she was sleeping while black, and not the cops who killed her, arrested her husband, then falsified their police report?

No it just didn't suit your rhetoric

And if you're going to dribble a lame argument get your facts right. 57 members of the emergency response task force quit in solidarity. But facts aren’t high on your agenda

My bad, I was going off the top of my head. But happy to be corrected that over twice as many cops in that unit are pieces of shit.

Calm down Matty A.

Wow this thread is now rubbish.
Please close.

Most of Matt's takes are....

They had a good run! Like BLM..... time to move on!

Another airball there Perthworld Richards.

Perthworld is that flog Richo?

Bringing attention to a matter is one thing, but it isn't enough alone. How do you effect change

Sad to see gang violence in Deer Park Melbourne last night with a 16 year old stabbed to death walking home from school.

What's that got to do with police brutality?

Nothing but there is also nothing wrong with the anon bringing the tragic Melbourne event to our attention.

Shut up and take photos.....

Take photos???

For the first time ever I agree with Kendrick Perkins. Kyrie shouldn't be saying he is willing to give it all up, he should just do it. What does saying I am "willing to" mean or even achieve. Do it or STFU.

Him giving it all up by himself probably won't achieve much. All players giving up the season will, so I guess he is saying he is willing to give it up, and who else is joining him?

koberulz, don't forget the players will be writing BLM on their sneakers so that will definitely solve racism.

Perhaps they do need a stated goal so they can be seen to be working towards something, but two of the biggest political reforms in US history (Civil Rights Act and Voting Right Act) came of the back of large marches and violent protests, and were signed into law within months after their first introductions.

We've already seen some states ban certain policing methods (NY banned the chokehold for example) within weeks of the protests starting. So I guess with the progress made thus far, continued protest will see more action taken.

Wheres Matt s hot takes?

Shut up and take photos...

I agree! Failed NBL player has found his calling!

Who are we talking about now?