https://nbl.com.au/news/daniel-johnson-extends-with-adelaide

Good for him and Adelaide will take him to age 34/35.

Very important signing for Adelaide. Without him the cupboard is bare. The Sixers have just TWO players remaining from their grand final team of just over two years ago!!!

Does he even age?

As always with DJ he steps up his play in Year 2 of his contracts, opts out and then re-signs to a new 3 year deal. We'll be here again having this discussion in 2022 just hope he doesn't take it too easy next season as he usually does in Year 1 of his contracts.

In saying all that with the departures of Drmic & Froling plus the imports if DJ had have left too it would've decimated the club so they had no choice really but to give him what he wanted. It will be interesting to see how he fits in Henry's system likely a more traditional half court game than Joey's up tempo style.

Gee, no championship for DJ in 10 years at the 6ers.

Is he really going to lead the team to the top now?

Hopefully, JVG has some better cards up his sleeve.

No he isn't and we'll never win a title with him as a starter (we almost got there on the stacked 2018 team if not for the Childress injury) but after the Creek debacle and the breakdown with Joey if DJ had left the club would have to rebuild around Jack McVeigh!

I suppose it's well done by 36s. The best Aussie players are likely to be premium buys for next season. Lock in anyone you can early.

Disagree Zodiac, his stats show a fair amount of consistency year to year. Only exception was 2014-15 which was the season after he had a serious lung condition that absolutely smashed his health.

He's not a perfect player, but he’s consistently been one of the best Aussie big men for about 7 years now.

It’s not his fault his coach proved incapable of getting a good team defence together in the entire time he was with the club, nor was it his fault that every other talented player we’ve had has left the club.

*edit ... because those are the reasons we have fallen away, not some shortcomings from DJ.

I'll be honest Beantown I doubt any coach could win a title with DJ as a starter. You can't blame Joey or even Marty Clarke for his disgusting defence.

His effort and attitude towards defence has always been infuriating to the point of contemptuous. Last season watching him guard Bogut in the low post he was literally guarding him with his hands down by his waist and letting Bogut back him in and lay it up. I've never seen a worse defensive big man. If Weaver had any nouse as a coach he would've gone down to Bogut on every play and force Joey to pull him out.

A bit like Gaze he refuses to expend any energy on the defensive end and saves it all for the offensive end scoring two points for every four points he gives up.

Great signing if hes on 4th best player money, and the 4th best player on the team come the season. I have my doubts about both.

I gotta feeling he's the NBLs highest scorer and top rebounder, also.

I think DJ has been the leading scorer and rebounder in the NBL over the last 10 years which says it all really. He couldn't play in any serious league in Europe those coaches would boot him off the team and he went belly up in that brief stint he had in Poland never been a threat to make an NBA roster either.

Big fish in a small pond.

Yeah, again, its very frustrating when the NBL announces shit, and doesn't bother to fill in the important details.

How do these salary cuts actually work?
Is there a reduced cap?
Is it hard or soft?
For how many seasons are the cuts in effect?
How do they apply to new contracts?

There is no way you give a 32yr old a 3 year deal, especially when already contracted.
So this is obviously a way to offset the effects of the salary cut.
If clubs are allowed to do that, then what's the point of mandatory cuts?

Once again we see the problem with management that just makes it up as they go along.

I share your frustration Zodiac but Beantown also makes some good points. I don't think Joey was the right coach to push DJ at both ends and DJ was still relatively raw under Marty. Maybe Conner will get greater effort from him.
And don't forget, championship teams are just as much about balance as it is talent.

Putting DJ's shortcomings aside, I like the message the signing sends to the general public, the Sixers appear confident they will see off the current challenges and still be competing (albeit maybe in NBL 1, :-)) in the coming seasons.

Is there a reduced cap?

Is it hard or soft?

For how many seasons are the cuts in effect?

How do they apply to new contracts?

DJ is consistently our best (or at least top 2) player during his tenure in Adelaide.

The guy is not perfect but what he provides on offence is invaluable, he is a constant threat for his defenders.

His Defence is as we all know sub-standard but he does rebound very well which is part of defence just not the type to take charges, steal or intimidate many shots.

I think DJ can win a Championship but his window is closing and the coach needs to know how to use him, he is good enough as a weapon to cover for his deficiencies on the other end, the team needs some defensive minded people to help cover for DJ as well. Griffin was not it.

Overall I am happy DJ is on for another 2-3 years. As said before affordable talent is an absolute premium this year.

BigAds, Zodiac, don't get me wrong, I’d love to have a better defensive centre than DJ. But at the same time, I think people are being too critical.

To me, the best defensive bigs are able to prevent their opponent getting good position and DJ has just never had the build to do that. Asking him to matchup defensively against Bogut in the post is setting him up to fail.

On the flip side, I’ve seen DJ absolutely destroy Bogut down the other end, because Bogut can’t defend him either.

Those saying you just can’t ever win a title with DJ should remember that the Sixers made two grand finals with DJ as our starting centre. The second one we probably should have won, but for Childress’ freak injury.

IMO the club has largely failed to find the right combination of players and appears to have compounded that by causing Creek to leave.

But even bigger than that, the coach has failed on many levels:
- he’s driven out some players
- he hasn’t done a good job of getting our players to back themselves and play with confidence
- he hasn’t been able to instil good defensive habits or get players to learn effective defensive or offensive schemes

Those are the reasons the Sixers have failed IMO. DJ has been a really good player for a long time. He’s just not a defensive stalwart. But winning a title is about the right combination of players working together to accentuate strengths and cover weaknesses. It’s never about one player IMO.

"Imports are normally score first guys"

Boone, McKay, Ibekwe?



"DJ isn't a starter."

He might be 32 but every club in the league would have him start, even if they had to play him at the 4

So if the cap stays the same, what is the point of the cuts to existing salaries???

So Cotton gets cut from $500k to $250k (still not clear if the cuts are marginal or to the total) and he leaves. We then sign Cotton's twin to replace him for $500k.

Now if you're saying that a new salary is also cut by 50%, then ok we sign Cotton 2.0 to $1M.

Or, we do what Adelaide have done. Sign Cotton to a whole new contract.

If the only threat is the super tax, then we get him naturalised and make him a marquee.

So if the cap stays the same, what is the point of the cuts to existing salaries???

So Cotton gets cut from $500k to $250k (still not clear if the cuts are marginal or to the total) and he leaves. We then sign Cotton's twin to replace him for $500k.

Now if you're saying that a new salary is also cut by 50%, then ok we sign Cotton 2.0 to $1M.

Or, we do what Adelaide have done. Sign Cotton to a whole new contract.

Re: 063;The best Australian 4 man to make up for Johnson's lack of defence is Craig Moller by far. All of the other options are out of budget or would take too many shots away from offensive minded imports + Johnson.

DJ was a free agent.

Adelaide 36ers General Manager of Basketball Jeff Van Groningen said Johnson was due to come out of contract at the end of the coming season

We are so pleased that although he had the chance to 'opt-out' D.J. in fact opted-in, and extended his contract.

Well, if it's just an extension to the existing contract then it wouldn't affect his salary for this season.

Does he even age?

KET,

DJ had a player option for next season he opted out of it and then re-signed to a new 3 year deal hence now under contract until 2023.

I just quoted the 36ers

I know JVG was just being a bit cute with his 'opt-in' quote obviously in reference to a few players opting out of the NBL at the moment.

Who is under contract at Adelaide for 2020/21?

DJ

In finals, aren't you looking to your best players to step up and get the wins/championship? The really good players find a way (even if that involves playing some defence).

DJ hasn't been able to do this. And is less likely to get it done now. He will continue to leave the responsibility to others.

His signing seems to say that the 6ers continue to accept that not winning a championship is ok. As one of the leading players on the team for a very long period of time, shouldn't he have been held accountable, rather than being gifted two more years?

Do many players get 10+ years on a roster, on starters money, without winning a championship?

DJ, McVeigh, Giddey, Mudronja and presumably the options have been picked up on Teys, Kyei and Dillon. I doubt Randle's option was picked up as likely to miss most if not all of next season.

White's option wasn't picked up, Drmic & Froling are both FA's and not coming back and Griffin & Moore are FA's too.

His signing seems to say that the 6ers continue to accept that not winning a championship is ok.

I had a feeling that Cotton & Kay leaving would give some other clubs an extended johnson

Spatial jam suggests that Adl have

Randle / Dillon / Giddey
____ / Mudronja
Teys / McVeigh
______ / Kyei
Johnson / _____



Is it true that they are cutting roster size by 1 (specifically the import) this season? so should be 10 + next star?


https://spatialjam.com/contracttracker

Dillon / Giddey
Import / Mudronja
Teys / McVeigh
Defensive import/ Kyei
Johnson / ????


36ers really need to remove Dillon.

Mudronja is pretty small isn't he?

That’s a pretty crap team. Especially if they struggle for imports

Mudronja is pretty small isn't he?

It isn't something to inspire no but, assuming Randle is out (injury) then the rest really shouldn't be costing much with Johnson the only player I would guess is on decent coin. Giddey is next star so he doesn't take a roster spot meaning they have 4 spots to fill and a bit of money to do it.

I think the quality of the roster will come down to getting another talented local

There was that rumour during last season that the Sixers were in talks/close to signing an Aussie NBA free agent that I think most assumed was Deng Adel.

The biggest issue with DJ is not DJ himself. It's the players around him that make his job harder. You need to put quality smart players with him. Not Wiley types. If he has to shoulder too much of the load at both ends of the court it becomes a detriment to him. He needs the freedom to play offensively. At NBL level his range is hard for opposing defenders to counter.

Double that for needing to remove Dillon. And Teys needs to become that Hire type bench player who only comes on to fill a gap for very short periods of time.

That roster posted by KET does not look good at all. Teys and Dillon starting...yikes.

Yup it's scheisse

DJ crap at defence, need a defensive big alongside him

Yeah roster is a mess. Way too many guards and none of them starter material. With only two import slots, there's too many holes to fill this season. Getting a defensive Aussie big probably the most important need. Then could get imports at PG and SF.

Will be a rebuild season. Give McVeigh, Mudronja, Giddey lots of opportunities and see what they can do. Hope like hell they’re able to sign that 'Boomer level’ Aussie and then build on that.

Sounds exactly like a JvG/Kelley type of thing to do. Pray for Adelaide.

Without knowing for a fact I suspected that would likely be the case either a guarantee of starting or big minutes at least. Giddey lives in Sydney and is from Melbourne the Sixers don't have the ability to compete with those teams financially so how else do you think we got him to come to Adelaide?

I don't know the facts either but if true its a calculated gamble.

The team needs to attract talent, and show that we can attract talent to bring more talent.

I just hope the guaranteed minutes is something reasonable like 20 mins a game, and the coach gets to choose when. If he cannot hit free throws or can't defend, I don't want him on at the end of the 4th.

Except in our case JVG knows the owner has severely damaged the team's ability to recruit talent with the Creek debacle so the club has no choice but to guarantee minutes to hot property kids or give someone like DJ the contract he wants.

Not sure people realise how good Giddey is.
He's 6’7, a great passer (which everyone complains about not having passers) and a high basketball IQ especially for only being 17/18.
He doesn’t rely on athleticism...which means the kid must be able to do something else to be getting all this attention.
I have no problem playing him minutes.
But they have to get the rest of the roster correct!!
A rebounding/defending 5 (Aussie)
A 3 who can do it all (Prather/Hobson etc) or Broekhoff
A 1/2 import that can defend and create (Newbill)

He's viewed as a potential first round pick in the 2021 NBA Draft.

Exciting young Australian NBA prospect Josh Giddey has signed with the Adelaide 36ers as part of the NBL's Next Stars program.

The 17 year-old, who has been touted as a potential first round pick for the 2021 NBA Draft, will play for the 36ers in the 2020-21 Hungry Jack’s NBL season.

Giddey was the youngest Australian to debut for the Boomers since Ben Simmons when he lined up against Hong Kong last month.

Maybe people should do some research on what he's done and how good he is as a 17year old.
I know it was Mickey Mouse against Hong Kong but he still got a game.
He will have flaws because he is 17 but he’s not a DP type

To the anon continually shitting on the signing and downplaying his potential, if scouts view him as a potential first round pick next year it means he's almost a certainty to be drafted.

Depending on what happens in his one year at the Sixers he could possibly drop to the second round but it's highly unlikely potential first round picks drop out of the draft altogether in the span of 12 months.

It's very likely this time next year he will be in the NBA that of course doesn't mean he's going to offer anything of value to the Sixers look at Ferguson for example but people who's job it is to evaluate talent know better than some idiot anon.

Totally different players. Ferguson and Giddey.
Ferguson couldn't dribble. At a stretch still can’t.
He defends and shoots the 3 and is athletic.

Giddey will be in charge of a team (which ever team that might be). Some (so called experts) describe him as a poor mans Doncic. High IQ type/not that athletic.

Not saying he’s the saviour or will be the best player but until we see who else signs he might have the best court vision on the 36ers roster.

A 6’7 point guard!!!

Anyone here go back far enough to have seen Ingles and Newley as juniors? How does Giddey compare to them? Ingles was 18 when he debuted for the Dragons and I think Newley was 19. Both were a year or more older than Giddey will be, but they both starred in their first season. What comparisons can we draw between Giddey and those two?