Other countries will be up and running sooner because unlike over cautious Australia they can live with a few people dying who were probably going to die soon anyway

I'm still at a loss as to how the decision was made, none of there main sponsors would be doing bad and no tv deal money was lost but it’s cut, cut. Unless LK is kicking in a lot more than he wants or the sponsors were not happy with there deals and thought it was a way out of contracts and pulled out, it’s all puzzling.

#833 just the most un-human comment ever.

Yes, NBL has no TV money so rely on sponsorships and people going to the games. There are probably going to be rules on big crowds so that revenue source will drop.

Sponsorship dollars from corporate companies will also drop.

So if your two main revenue sources are going to drop, you have to cut salaries. That's just basic math.

Keep in mind that LK would've been putting his own hand in his pocket a lot in recent years but if he has also taken a financial hit, then the capacity to do that may also be reduced.

So it makes sense that salaries should be cut.

Also keep in mind that players opting out are exploring their options. There's no certainties yet, they could yet be back if they deem playing in the NBL is their best option.

There main sponsors, Bunnings, hungry jacks and chemist warehouse have been going very well throughout the shut down.

The league is in no worse shape than it has been.

Chickens are coming home to roost and the party is over

There is only so much fake it til you make it you can pull off.

The clubs lost many of their sources of off-season income but were still having to pay staff and players. It was either pay cuts of stand down players. They chose the best option in the circumstances. If things turn, they can still adapt the agreement with the players association.

"unlike over cautious Australia they can live with a few people dying who were probably going to die soon anyway“

Is that you Pusey? Or some other cipher?

How are the deriving sources in the off season that they have lost?

None of this really bothers me.
Hopefully we get to see all the dps and college aussiesand kiwis plus locals. Come back stronger following year.

I don't think euro players will be earning big money either, I expect salaries to drop also.

Multiple people have explained this before but I'll go again.

The NBL were never, repeat never in a good position to overcome this.

Firstly the NBL loses money. Owners put in a lot of their own coin and if you look at their business portfolios they have high exposure to the effects of Covid. Retail trusts, high end property development aimed at foreign buyers. All going to be hit hard.

Sponsorships will be down. A couple of sponsors may be doing well, but they won't be tipping more money into the NBL out of goodwill to make up the shortfalls from others. They have a duty to their shareholders to do what is in their best interests, why give more money to the NBL for the same and most likely less exposure.

Memberships will be down which is crucial funds coming in during the offseason.

And finally the NBL does not have money from a television deal to fall back on. This is a massive disadvantage compared to leagues around the world.

Revenue will drop by a lot. No one has a crystal ball to say if the NBL cut revenues too far or too little, time will tell.

Plenty of European leagues are going to struggle. Several countries about to go broke.

Being safe an earning half seems like a pretty fair deal to me for just 1 season.
The only country that will likely pay substantially more is the u.s andnothing is certain there.

So all the gun players Ware, Cotton, Kay are using their options because they think there going to get less money in Europe. Lol.

"What's surprising is after all of his incessant ranting about it Cram has disappeared rather than come on here to gloat."

The NBL made a move that is financially responsible. Why would he gloat about that?

McDowell-White
T.Webster
Vasljevic
Adel
Broekhoff
White
Darling
Fotu
Motum
Wetzell
Humphries
Mathiang
Brandt
Reath
Salt

Sure I've missed a few

+ DPS with more game time

Might be a down year but will be good to see of these guys in nbl.

The league has no cash!

Owners all lost big money last year with full stadiums so based crowd numbers falling next year they'll loose even more money this combined with no TV revenue what did you expect?

Also a number of owners have suffered significant on paper losses in the share market and other non nbl investments so why prop up an NBL club thats a massive loosing venture when you need to focus on rebuilding wealth and getting through the Wuhan Flu fall out.

What is frustrating is that a team like Perth was in a position to pay it's players their contract, they didn’t need any measures To be put in place, yet they were forbidden from paying them their contract and as a result have lost two of the best players in the league and had the opportunity to truly challenge fro a three peat seemingly taken away. This should have been an option, not forced.

#923

Exactly, just lower the bottom line of the cap, yes some teams would struggle but that's how sports are all over the world.

Sydney and Perth owners were fine, SEM is owned by nba players and Indian billionaire, NZ nba ex players, Brisbane as NZ, Illawarra will have a new local business man with Ball and his agent tipping in, they will be more financially better than ever, Adelaide , Cairns could struggle, and United who knows though you think they would be ok.

It doesn’t all look bad to me and the damage the bad press is bringing will take time to recover and get people back in stadiums.

I think euro teams are making big cuts also.

No one really knows yet re Europe, but signings are going ahead at full pace.

Teams with committed fans will be semi ok if they allow crowds, it will be the ones trying to attract the casual fan that will struggle. With Sydney they drew out all the bandwagoners, if they struggle they will lose crowds. Illawarra without Ball boosting overall numbers will struggle too. The economy taking a hit and not much money about will affect what casual fans do as well, as a family do they spend over $100 for a game or do they just have a stay at home night.
Next seasons quality will reduce, no disputing that, just have to go and support your team if you have the funds to do so. If every teams quality reduces then it evens itself out, might not have Cotton making ridiculous shots and taking over games, instead of OMG moments we might have FFS moments. We just have to survive this next season and the one after should hopefully correct itself back into being a quality league.

Really easy to be ok with this when your championship squad hasn't been ripped apart. I don’t know anyone who has been spoilt celebrate when for seemingly no reason that gets taken away.

Cotton and Kay go, that's Illawarra's salary cap right there.

Kay even said he out a European out. He was always leaving

He had already publicly confirmed he was staying. Then the league reduced salaries so he probably had a rethink.

lol typical Perth. He actually said "I don't see me leaving at this stage." so then the media of WA see it as "Im not leaving". So of course the red army then see it as "I love perf best culture rah rah here foe the next ten years and I'll take a massive pay cut cause we all play for the love of it and live off the tears of our enemies."

True.
You say he publicly came out and said he wasn't leaving.
Then he publicly came out and said he always had a European out.
The media & wildcats always spin it to show WE DID EVERYTHING IN OUR POWER TO KEEP THEM. Always blaming someone else.

Don't be surprised if Trev leaves. They haven't recruited any good Aussies since Matt Nielsen left. Now he has to coach and develop - and has NO history of developing players.

Would it be a good time to have a contract or be out of contract at present? Thoughts ?

"So of course the red army then see it as "I love perf best culture rah rah here foe the next ten years and I'll take a massive pay cut cause we all play for the love of it and live off the tears of our enemies."

That was a totally normal and valid response. It doesn't sound like you have any major insecurity issues at all!

For the person/people that keep saying that Gleeson doesn't develop players, tell us at what point during the last 7 years should have he stopped trying to win titles, and start developing players?

His job is to win, he's done that five times out of 7 - which coach would have done anything differently?

@ D2.0 are on you on drugs mate or you've been isolated by yourself for too long?
Greg Hire had over 80 games by the time Gleeson started coaching him, please tell me how he improved him?
The others you mentioned well, not sure what development i for you,but you're hysterical!
Lo Buluk, played 12 games in 2 years,one day he might turn into a great player, but not just yet.
Travers,yep, agree, very big talent, but please explain how you figure that Gleeson developed him, 7 minutes average (garbage time) in 4 games.
I have no idea who Pozogue is, say hello to that bloke when you're off your meds, but if you're talking about Pozoglue please check his bio, he played 2 years with Illawarra, he's 23, hardly a rookie (and he's averaging 4 minutes garbage minutes a game).
I give you Jervis, but let me remind you that he was hardly a Gleeson find,he was in the 'Cats training squad for years, also in 2011 in the Boomers training squad.
Gleeson is one of the best coaches around, his record speaks for itself, but he's never been a development coach.

Nielsen was the coach that put the finishing touches on Kay. Gleeson is by far the best coach in this league though, anyone who says different had better look at his results.

Kay's jump was this season when he attempted 60% more threes than last year yet also increased his percentage by 4%. Now he is a more complete scorer and ready for europe. Nielsen had nothing to do with him this season.

Put this in Cotton leaves as well, any answers ?


If Cottons wage is supposed to be 600g, wouldn't he be a marquee and so only 100g go towards the cap to allow the cats to only take 30% of his 600g.
You would think it's the same with Bogut, if not and he is getting the supposed million and his whole wage comes off the cap there would be only 400g left for the rest of the team.
This would be the same for all teams marquee players, Creek, Goulding, etc. and since teams are allowed two marquee at different levels of deductions on the cap, do the marquee players lose 50% of there wage or just the percentage that is allowed in the cap.

Clubs are allowed an Australian marquee and import as well.

Explain the rules then instead of strutting about like you know it all. How many marquee and what is there percentage of the cap.

So the know all knows nothing.

Ok Barry.

Gleeson already in the media talking about not being able to get quality imports - no other team is crying as much. He knows he can't buy another championship next season.

https://thewest.com.au/sport/perth-wildcats/player-agents-tell-perth-wildcats-coach-trevor-gleeson-talent-wont-consider-coming-to-nbl-due-to-pay-cuts-ng-b881541298z

Gets "blindsided" by the news of Cotton and Kay leaving - but suddenly has been up to date with agents. This guy has been gifted with money and now its an even playing field he is crapping his pants

"Gets "blindsided" by the news of Cotton and Kay leaving - but suddenly has been up to date with agents."

How are those two things supposed to be related?

I think he is trying to say that he doesn't know what is happening with his own team. But suddenly is up to speed with international players.

Must admit it did look rather silly in his presser when they asked him about Nick Kay, and he said he spoke to him a week ago and all was good, then the next day Nick Kay opts out. I can understand why Trev didn't do another presser after that.

Bevo spoke to nick Kay a day before he joined Perth and was assured he and Norton were both staying and were going to get the money put aside for Illawarra imports, you can see that worked out well.

Who's Kay’s agent?

"I think he is trying to say that he doesn't know what is happening with his own team. But suddenly is up to speed with international players."

Again, how are the two things related?

"Must admit it did look rather silly in his presser"

You mean its Trevor's fault for the players changing their minds? You guys are really struggling to find reasons to criticise him.

If that's going to be the quality of imports better giving more Australians a go.

You picked some duds but there are some good players out there, just look at some DP that play and some reasonable talent in nbl1.