Aussie
Years ago
Latest on 36ers head coach, global search
https://www.foxsports.com.au/basketball
I wonder whether Goorjian is in the mix, considering he has coached in Asia?
Aussie
Years ago
https://www.foxsports.com.au/basketball
I wonder whether Goorjian is in the mix, considering he has coached in Asia?
Global search may extend to New Zealand, Rottnest and Christmas Island.
Aussie
Years ago
I actually believe the 36ers on this one.
I think you will find they are searching far and wide.
Most coaches around the world will know about the NBL now because I'm sure more than a few were curious to see how Lamelo Ball went.
Anon
Years ago
I heard also kangaroo island Hindmarsh island and and Tasmania. Hoping to score a double header in Tassy with an asst as well. Also have gum tree ads covering all of port noarlunga.
36ers are telling people who candidates are even though those candidates have told them point blank they have no interest in being part of the mess
Whoever takes the job will be either incredibly naive or incredibly desperate for a job. Coaches are dropping out after doing their due dilligence.
Much like voters getting the leaders they deserve so do owners
D2.0
Years ago
Since when is "global search" a good thing when it comes to NBL???
What they're basically saying is that they won't pay for any of the existing well-qualified coaches. Instead they hoping to find somebody, with a sellable resume, who is tired of being shot at, and is prepared to come for peanuts.
With a bit of luck, they'll land another Billy Beaver, and if they have $5M to spend on players they can also fail to win a championship.
Top flight unemployed coaches are turning down the opportunity because they want nothing to do with the admin or the owner.
The coaches club is small and reliable
What continues to go on in Adelaide is a joke. No self respecting coach wants any part of the sideshow and drama.
Zodiac
Years ago
- The only names mentioned as being considered are Caporn and Brooks.
- Smyth was told quickly early on in the process thanks but no thanks.
- Aaron Fearne hasn't been spoken to nor expressed interest in the job.
- Both Drmic & Froling have been given early permission to speak to other teams. The team are already looking at candidates to replace Froling.
Oh well glad to hear Fearne isn't being considered and Froling won't be re-signed.
Smyth had to ask them to stop attaching his name to the process.
Zodiac you are posting crap. You clearly don't know anything.
The Sixers simply need to release the list in contention. Shame they haven't.
Glad they are looking to replace Froling, hopefully with someone to balance out the 5 point guards under contract
Zodiac
Years ago
Zodiac you are posting crap. You clearly don't know anything.
Froling was walking regardless. Hence the backflip on the media from a week ago them saying they want him back and he is coming back to him telling them he is walking. Typical adelaide damage control
Zodiac
Years ago
Agreed they're spinning like tops at the moment. How is JVG saying that the pick of the coach will essentially be an executive appointment by the owner? He's already distancing himself from the selection. The Froling back and forth BS too.
Clearly they've been dropping names like Gaze & Smyth (and Fearne being mentioned to Boti) to make it appear as though everyone and their dog wants the gig which is why the two in consideration are Caporn & Brooks two guys desperate for a HC job they will even put up with a meddling owner. Now they're having to look at guys from overseas.
Also doesn't sound great that a HC might not be named until 2-3 weeks into free agency, I'm sure any coach worth their salt would love hearing that being handed a roster of players already chosen for them.
Aussiehoopla rumoured signings 36ers
Adel Deng Brock Motum and Ryan Broekhoff
Adel is highly overrated, Motum old and hasn't been getting time at Valencia, Broekhoff will be Europe.
wasn't there a story DJ wanted out of the 36ers to
Motum would be a beast. Broekhoff is just the type of player the 36ers need. Stand up guy, extremely good at basketball, and won't complain like drimic at every no call. Aussie talent at import level is the key to a stacked team.
KET
Years ago
Aussiehoopla article is nothing more than someone sharing their own opinions "oh I reckon these guys will want to come to NBL" “oh I reckon Melbourne are strong favourites” “I reckon Adelaide will target them”
No actual rumour or news
Nate
Years ago
Does he have a point though?
Prior to panic stations, Gaze did mention that the 36ers were in the mix for an NBA free agent during the season. Assuming an Aussie.
Letting Froling and Drimic go you would hope they have something up their sleeve.
I'm with KET aussiehoopla is a rumours page.
Mathiang and Brandt amongst others linked to many teams.
Camel 31
Years ago
'Though this be madness, yet there is method in't.'
Von Hofe said they have a coach so why continue the search?
Anon
Years ago
Gutted if not KB. Seems pool is small. So give to a well cred local with clear guidelines to rebuild with priority on local. Local SA /Local Aus.
Focus on best Aussie talent. Fans will be engaged.
Restore Sixers pride.
In Brooks we trust....
D2.0
Years ago
Motum and Broekhoff could have their pick of clubs and coaches, and on decent coin too. Why would they choose a shambles like Adelaide?
Need to get their coach sorted first, and make it somebody good.
koberulz
Years ago
What happened last time they tried to sign a guy whose name they couldn't spell?
Lovebroker
Years ago
Now that this Asterisk season is finished, we need to focus on the next business at hand.
I was listening to Boti's podcast this morning and I heard him say the words Marty Clarke with Adam Caporn and rebuild.
I don't want Marty Clarke 2.0.
I lived Marty Clarke 1.0 and it made me almost want to stop supporting the team and follow over 50's women's ten pin bowling.
Please Grant...you obviously have the budget, use it wisely. Get a decent coach with credentials, get Scott Machado and we will have a super base to work with.
Lovebroker
Years ago
6? Randle won't be ready in time for next season.
Just shows Botis level now with that crap. Would say even Joey's harshest critics, prior to leaks, would have preferred him over Clarke.
And according to the owner all really expensive
Zodiac
Years ago
Dillon, White and Teys aren't signed for next season yet. All of those players including Randle, DJ, McVeigh & Kyei have options for next season that can't be waived or exercised until the week before free agency begins.
Technically the only players officially under contract right now are Mudronja and Giddey.
Searching the globe with coronavirus might not be easy.
Just go cheap option with Brooks.
Zodiac u are a muppet. Every player is designed except Froling and Drmic. Multi year deals and Teys/White/Mcveigh/Obi/Dillon are guaranteed. But they may have played options. None of them are club options only the imports. Quit talking out of your ass you uninformed fuckwit. Jerome Randle has an option but if they don't bring him back have to give him 20/30k.
Looking forward to seeing more minutes for Mudronja, high iq player. Not a great scorer but should be a quality backup.
"Sorry Zodiac just posts so much garbage on here had to rant." A lot more offenders than Z. The never ending crap that issues from Perff fans is a joke.
Mudronja will get sfa minutes with Giddey in there and a US point guard.
Anon
Years ago
Omg if that's what we got to work - getting a coach be like getting a cab in hindley street on free piss up night. Good luck. The wheels on the bust seem to be flat.. dead set flat.
Nate
Years ago
Humphries would be a great addition. His game has been improving and seems like a good guy.
Humphries is made for Adelaide, over rated over paid player. Perfect match.
Anon
Years ago
Why have we given up on froling. With new coach comes new oportunities. He showed enough at times agreed under joey and did appear to be disinterested. Easy cures and have a big powerful unit to build from foundations. Ok some might say he needs to work hard. Exactly simple fix work hard. A lover of the big h. Can't loose this big fish. Be a case of another one that bit us on bum and big h will certainly take a mouthful.
Froling has talent but thinks he's nba material, might be but you need work ethic at it’s highest level which seems to be even missing at nbl level. Big men with talent are hard to find though.
Quit on 2 colleges and effectively quit on Sixers this year, see ya later. Prefer someone like Pineau who works his arse off than someone with supposedly more talent.
Nate
Years ago
Reece Homfray reporting Caporn would have been announced the coach if not for the Coronavirus.
Can't read the article
Import, Import, Import, Motum, Johnson
Mudronja, Giddey, Mcveigh, Kyei, Humphries
Dillon, Harris(DP), pF/C(DP)
Nate
Years ago
Motum doesn't come here without Teys playing.
Motum
Bairstow
Brandt
Humphries
Broekhoff
Adel
Mangok
Delly
Anyone of these a chance to return to Australia?
Get an import point guard and go humphries/Broekhoff and Adel. Job done.
Anon
Years ago
You are missing teys. I rather keep him. Thinking new coach needs to make call on froling. A talent unit his size not something that's like abundant. A new coach my well invibrate froling to get super fit motivated. Once the horse has bolted its likely not gunna be same horse. Teys please the guy probably had his best season last year. May not be super star but is super glue for team. As hard as my nails. We need dependability.
Anon
Years ago
Whsts the problem meaning to rnergize. Sometimes people too quick to comment.
I think we will come to expect many posts from Perthworld while all good regular posters rest during coronavirus time.
Humphries and Adel are G league reserves, they don't play. JVG in charge now so I’m not surprised. Adel is a poor version of Noi and Kelly could not find a lot minutes for him in Cairns.
Imports and quality Australians coming home could be good if the virus takes a lot longer to go as the European market could be down. On the flip side imports get paid in US dollars and the Australian dollar is so low you need double to get them here.
https://gleague.nba.com/player/deng-adel/
https://gleague.nba.com/player/isaac-humphries/
Mason, motley and Shayok from g league would be good gets
"Adel is a poor version of Noi"
Adel has had a stint with an NBA team and made a Boomers camp, while Noi was barely good enough to start on an NBL team. Care to explain that?
Cornholio
Years ago
Adel made a very mediocre Cleveland team.
Noi was playing better prior to injury and has more upside than Adel.
Reputation doesn't mean you are any good, good luck to Adelaide if Adel and Humphries go there, they might score 100 every game it’s the 120 they let in that hurts.
If it's Caporn I wonder what his staff will look like. Will they continue the clean out and KB on his bike or keep him as a bit of continuity. Or keep Golley that spoke out on behalf of players.
Or does he go with young staff of his choosing or experienced ex coach.
Would like to see if we could get a CJ or someone else that's been assistant for a while and has experience of different systems. But as a rookie head may have some job security issues.
Anon
Years ago
Not sure CJ Massingham right direction. With KB have vast experience and succession plan. So double barrel benefits caporn hopefully can attract young Aust and dev. Need to retain some experience but squad looks too mature with white dillion treys.
Why does drmic want out. Opportunity to establish himself in starting 5. Approaching his peak and new coach should give him the confidence he seem to seeking and not receiving. Expectstions were too high. Keen for new generalional sixers to emerge.
Why is KB seen as succession plan, been there how long, if he was viewed as that then he would have gotten job. Don't think he'll do a Cooks at Illawarra and stay there no matter what. Keep Teys, the other 2 only been there this season and did stuff all. Plus it could attract Motum, played here before, mates with Teys and probably wants out of Europe now with young family and situation over there.
Drmic was one of Joey's guys, smart thing would be to stay, doubt there's better opportunities elsewhere. Let Froling go, will be out of league soon or 3rd big in rotation somewhere.
Nate
Years ago
Drimic and froling not wanted. Assuming they've got 1 or 2 better Aussies coming in.
Anon
Years ago
Am really excited that porno be head coach at 36ers.
Looks like the land of promise is on the rise. 6ers to be titlles town again.
PerthWanker really doesn't know a lot. Stacker just left a 21st century club and you want him to do that again? YUou are indeed a wanker.
KET
Years ago
Assuming they are happy to let Drmic go because there's better aussies they are confident of getting is probably thinking too much of the 36ers
" PerthWanker really doesn't know a lot. Stacker just left a 21st century club and you want him to do that again? YUou are indeed a wanker."
Seriously? He suggested Stacker as an assistant, and THAT is your response?
I know which one the wanker is.
Everyone needs clearing out , fresh start
Don't keep any assistants , new manager and new fitness guy
They are all joeys guys , you won’t get a good run at it unless they all go ,
Bring in your own team
Only way it works
Looks like it Ca Porn.
"Boomers assistant Adam Caporn believed to be leading contender for Adelaide 36ers coaching job, but club must wait on signing him"
Caporn is going to be a disaster.
Can't believe after Marty we are doing the same thing by hiring Caporn. Caporn's results have been worse than what Clarke had at the AIS.
"Two roles have been dissolved in the past week - media manager Kate Taeuber, who was made redundant, and their community and game night operations manager, who resigned. Neither role are expected to be replaced."
Other clubs in other codes are cutting staff everywhere, but looks like Sixers have only shed 2, excluding coach who's already gone. Makes sense.
Nate
Years ago
KET, the landscape is obviously changing but I'd say the plan is/was Caporn,Giddey and 1 or 2 upgraded Aussies. Saying 2 as I think one is a sg/sf and we need a big.
Who would have Caporn coached/built a relationship with at both AIS and assistant coach with the boomers?
Can’t compare Clarke to Caporn as the talent wasn’t there/NBL wasn’t as big.
Gaze also said we are a chance for an Aussie NBA free agent.
Clearly they disagree with you. It will be interesting to see who he recruits and can bring to the club through his connections.
You can compare Clarke and Caporn. In fact in Clarke's era it was easier to turn a team around as there wasn't such a big discrepancy in talent between teams. No better evidence of that than the last to grand final turn-around under Joey the very next season with the only real change being Gary Ervin.
Caporn has done nothing. Got a gig at St Mary's as a AC, then a plum COE role. When you talk to him he almost seems self aware of how inexperienced he is.
Why do we pick up another L plate coach. I love the fact that Grant has bought the team and pumped money into it but man does he have no idea in terms of basketball operations.
Maybe we have to think of the other way. Who would want to coach Sixers at the moment. No real young talent to build with, aging DJ, one of the biggest scandals ever with Joey (that has only gone quiet because of Corona), unknown future for league, weak Aussie dollar so overseas free agents are taking huge pay cut.
Overseas coaches would be ruled out. Who else is left, not much. So biggest name is really Caporn, no-one else is stupid enough which in itself could be a worry though.
On reflection I'm going to give him a go. Marty Clarke was just a really shit coach. Our first year we should stuggle, second aim for playoffs, third be in contention. If we're really bad after year 2 then it was failed experiment.
There's plenty of coaching talent that would be willing to coach the 36ers to get into the head coaching ranks.
You said it all in your response, you wanted a name so you're taking Caporn. This is how you end up with underperforming coaches.
Name 3 good coaches that you know have come out and said they were interested? Give us a Woj bomb genius!
That's why you make a short list and head hunt , applicants to an advertisement are the last resort.
Did they head hunt first or just go off the applicant list
That’s the real question
Nate
Years ago
I'm trying to put the pieces together. If I’m right the team balance/talent/better humans will be much better than it has been.
Marty Clark got an 18 yr old Mitch Creek
Caporn would have helped to get Giddey and I’m thinking a SG/SF who would be amazing or a pg (both Olympic boomers) and a big (possibly Humphries)
Looking Forward
Years ago
And it wasn't until Creek's seventh year that they got any real return on their investment.
Creek is an excellent athlete but had far too many limitations to be considered a good investment. NBL teams can't afford to spend six years developing a player.
Giddy is seemingly a PR stunt, maybe to deflect from the club's other shortcomings?
Caporn will need some experienced / veteran guys on court and they will need to be ready to support a rookie coach.
It will be fascinating to see it unfold.
DJ is not a winner and Teys' behaviour seems to too much reflect his former coach. Move them both on.
Dillon and White - surely not another year.
Opportunity for Caporn to build his team.
Got Creek but took Wright to hone him into player.
As the the head hunting list, in case you haven't watched the news there's been a bit of a international crisis. Who would be head hunted in Australia that isn't contracted now, Gaze? So those that applied is your list, if you didn't apply then who are these amazing coaches, still waiting for you to name 3.
At least Smythe got told to piss off quick.
Few, if any, of the mentioned coaches will be considered as one of pre requisites for the job is ncaa experience.
Which other coaches and players are available. Te rangi was a waste at Brisbane, which other players might fit the bill. United and Sydney might have a few looking for more opportunities.
robt
Years ago
"Te rangi was a waste at Brisbane,"
Agreed, but only this last season. And that was more of a recruitment issue rather than Te Rangi under-performing. With Singler & Braun in the team, hard for him to get mins. Wasn't he best 6th man last year? Reckon he'd actually be a very good prospect as he'd want to re-establish his value in the league and, with another year to seal his spot for Tokyo, with the Tall Blacks, too.
964, short of the international crisis, there's a lot I disagree with your post, or is just wrong.
1. Joey's tenure coincided with Creek's prime. That doesn't mean Joey was personally responsible for that improvement. The fact that young players have improved under him is as much a sign of natural mental and physical maturity as anything Joey might have done.
2. The anti-Caporn sentiment is that he's an underwhelming choice. He hasn't coached for very long, hasn't accomplished much, and hasn't left a lasting impression like, say, Seebohm did on the women's side of international competition, or experienced coaches have.
3. Regarding a list: we don't know who applied. Most journalists have gotten it wrong so far e.g. Boti with Fearne. NBL assistants (McCains, Forde etc.) have more of a claim, except for having a relationship with Giddey. I'd be disappointed to learn if the 36ers' worldwide search didn't include reaching out to those kind of candidates.
4. How was Smythe told to piss off when the 36ers approached him, and Smythe turned down potential opportunities?
So much praise for McMains and Forde over the last few years and they gomwith Caporn, a guy that has achieved very little.
Not sure with McMains but happen to speak with Forde as he is back in Perth. He said he was interviewed and made the shortlist of candidates, but told mid last week that he wasn't successful. He reckons he was confident Caporn would get the job too - and gave him much praise that he would do a good job of it.
Of course Forde is going to publicly say Caporn is going to do a good job.
There's a lot of people who will say that Caporn is going to do a good job, but privately are shaking their heads in disbelief at the 36ers choice.
To be clear I'm not suggesting those are Forde's private views, I can't speak for him.
I hope Caporn is a success for the sake of the club, but there is nothing in Caporn's coaching history that suggests he will be, nothing at all.
983
1) Chicken or the egg. Did Joey push Creek into the player he's become or did Creek do it all by himself. Pretty sure Creek has credited Wright a lot with his development.
2) Good example with Seebohm numbnuts, any idea of how he became head coach in WNBL and coach of the year in his rookie campaign? Less experience than Caporn.
3)Of course we don't know who applied, you're the one telling the story of how many great coaches are out there.
4)You interview then immediately pull name out of hat, out of courtesy you get the interview but when you get told you're not getting it then you quit to save face, pretty simple for a reasonable person to surmise.
Brunson
Years ago
"I'm thinking a SG/SF who would be amazing or a pg (both Olympic boomers) and a big (possibly Humphries)"
Perhaps we can get Pat mills also while we are being unrealistic.
How do you expect the owner to pay for 2 boomers and Humphries? We would be lucky to afford one let alone those 3 players.
KET
Years ago
I don't think the 36ers have clout to sign good Australian players at this current time.
It's all well and good to point to a youngster in Giddey who will likely be a one and done. He's not a step towards the finals picture.
Von Hofe said its a done deal surely he can confirm the date its going to happen
991,
1. Creek has credited Joey, correct. Having seen how he coaches and how hard Creek has pushed himself though I don't buy it. To be fair, Joey definitely allowed Creek to thrive as they had a good relationship, but that doesn't mean he's the cause of Creek's improvement. I'm confident another coach could have achieved the same result, if not better because Creek has always had the determination to be elite.
2. Resorting to name-calling because you can't put forth a cohesive argument? Nice.
Seebohm was well-respected coach before he won a junior gold medal and drew praise from the entire basketball community. Then he was given a WNBL head coaching gig. That seems like a logical progression based on tangible accomplishments, rather than just assistant roles that seem to be at least somewhat the result of connections in the case of Caporn.
Experience doesn't mean shit if you coach to a worse capacity than other candidates. I don't have an opinion of him, but Stacker has his name thrown around a bit, and his vast experience doesn't mean much to most.
3. I'm not the same anon from earlier in the thread saying there were heaps of coaches out there better than Caporn... I'm just pointing out that there are highly competent coaches in Australia that, if interested, potentially have a better claim to the role. I also gave you two examples of coaches I've been impressed by, so I don't get what your point is here.
4. Do you have any inside knowledge of this or are you implying this is how it went down? Because I've been told differently by people close to the situation. I also don't get why Smythe would need to 'save face'. Smythe doesn't need the job: he makes a very cushy living by doing public speaking gigs, and not being successful for the position really isn't an indictment on him - just a reflection of the other candidates.
Smyth told them from Day 1 he wasn't interested and went as far as contacting media outlets to tell them to stop using his name, or so the story goes
This is the same guy that also turned down the director of basketball job with the 36ers according to some people.
Nate
Years ago
Brunson, I said I'm trying to put the pieces together but I think there was/will be 1 Aussie boomer signing. Having a guess I'm thinking either a PG or SG/SF.
Again they're not going to go into the season without a C, so you'd assume a centre will be signed and better than Froling if not you'd keep him . With Caporn apparently the new coach and with his relationship with Humphries maybe an option.
I'm with Isaac and thinking the team was highly paid. JVG said the same. Does 400k (Griffin money) get you Delly/Broekoff/Motum etc.
I may be way off but,
Import Pg
Broekoff
Import SF or Adel
DJ
Humphries
Why even guess. Let's hope the new coach picks the side. Not like JVG did with the Kings.
Griffin wasn't on 400k. Ask his agent.
If you think 400k gets you Griffin how do you think that gets you the names you mentioned that are NBA fringe or entrenched.
36ers already have White, Mudronja , Dillon , Teys and Giddey committed to contracts so another PG isn't going to happen without 2 of those being paid out.
You would think they have an out with White given breach of policy??
J.Randle / D.Dillon / A.Mudronja
Y.Baba / J.Giddey / M.Harris
M.Shayok / budget SF Import / J.Mcveigh
B.Motum / O.Kyei / (DP)
D.Johnson / I.Humphries
Depends if you think White was being told what to do by his boss or not
Brunson
Years ago
"You would think they have an out with White given breach of policy??"
Yes they could cancel his contract I imagine
Very Old
Years ago
confirmed
"Smyth told them from Day 1 he wasn't interested and went as far as contacting media outlets to tell them to stop using his name, or so the story goes
This is the same guy that also turned down the director of basketball job with the 36ers according to some people."
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