2020 was supposed to be South, North, Central, East and West, but the WA SBL bitched out

I can't see any announcements by Basketball SA or NBL1.

Will be good when it's all up and running, next priority should be wnbl and getting that sorted.

NBL1 logos I reckon...

North-Maroon (QLD)
East-Light Blue (NSW/ACT)
South-Navy Blue (VIC/TAS)
Central-Red (SA)
West-Yellow (WA)

No official news yet

So the colours are exactly like the state metro teams.

I don't think Waratah is nbl1 yet either.

Reality, you are out of touch with it.

^Not in touch with reality at all.

Southern probably jumped the gun

Southern Tigers jumping the gun

https://www.facebook.com/southerntigers.ba/photos/a.367489860039506/2558665270921943/?type=3&theater

Hopefully no more coe andthey put a state based team within each conference. More kids being developed.

Nsw nbl1 2020 bring it on

Last I heard speaking with one of the NSW teams was it would sned them broke.
THe NBL1 South season starts in Mid April. NOt sure where Mid March comes in.

Last I heard speaking with one of the NSW teams was it would sned them broke.
THe NBL1 South season starts in Mid April. NOt sure where Mid March comes in.


I heard the qld teams say that as well but here we are.

Yes. I know for a fact that the NSW teams are doing well financially, but the person I spoke to (and they played CBA) said that if they entered the NBL1 comp they would go broke. Winning a SEABL or NBL1 comp is nice but it cost's $100,000's. It's something that you hang on the wall and can say yes we won it but it cost $200K. That is something they don't want to do. Their profits go into the development of the kids and they won't spend that amount of money to go broke.

How will it send them broke?

That's no good , move aside and bring in other nsw teams then, teams that want to progress in Australian basketball.

Of course feasibility studies have been done to ensure the survival of clubs that will try to keep pace with richer ones.
Ridiculous comment, move aside for teams that want to progress, in other words clubs that will out spend, lose money and grab money from juniors.

If you're club doesn’t like the idea move over, there are plenty of towns and regions in nsw that would jump at the idea of having an national basketball team.
If qld and sa can do it so can nsw. It’s to give a clear pathway for juniors instead of turning away from the game as they get older.

It will send clubs broke in SA.

Already Southern are many thousands in debt from uncollected fees and have decreased their junior coaching development. South are spending all the money they created to secure a new stadium on winning a league which will only cost them that money and more, meaning they won't ever move out of a 200 seat - 2 court facility. Sturt never spend on seniors because they actually care about their juniors. West have list they 2 major sponsors and are still spending like they have them. Woodville have maybe 30 teams total and hardly any girls teams and they are spending to keep up with the others. North, Norwood and Forestville might be able to spend to win, but at what point does it become a waste when that money could go towards development? When Centrals and Eastern can’t even put competitive teams on the floor.

Each club just now spending more money to the NBL to spend more money on game night presentation to satisfy the league requirements to what end? Won’t be more people through the door to pay for it, and sponsors won’t be running to give their money to a league which is third tier.

What's the point of spending all this money on development if you don’t have a quality state league for them to aspire too?

NSW has the Waratah and if you are better than the Waratah you go to NBL1.

Oh so you develop your kids so some other team/league can benefit from your $$$ investment. That's brilliant.

If you can't pay, you play in the current state league, not nbl1
Nbl1 is for the big associations that can afford it. In time more clubs will be able to join.
It’s currently forcing a lot of clubs to look themselves and pull there finger out which is a good thing.

#130 - I agree with the point of your post but want to correct the record in regards to Woodville. Woodville have hired a full time JDO, are pumping a lot of resources into juniors at the moment which is reflected in a increase of teams to 45 and a increase in the number of girls teams, plus a domestic competition which has started. Resources are going to juniors, not seniors.

"Oh so you develop your kids so some other team/league can benefit from your $$$ investment. That's brilliant."

You can't have it both ways. By all means go into nbl1 and send your clubs broke.

"Oh so you develop your kids so some other team/league can benefit from your $$$ investment. That's brilliant."

You can't have it both ways. By all means go into nbl1 and send your clubs broke.

"What's Victoria’s state league? I thought bigV became NBL 1."

No, the SEABL became NBL1. BigV is still Big V.

Yeah send all your $$ developing kids with no viable senior program or competition for them to advance too. So what are you developing your juniors for
If not to get the best playing in your senior program?

You develop your juniors to help them enjoy basketball what other reason. Most of those kids won't go on to elite basketball. So you want those teams to go into NBL1 AND continue on with their local comps which will undoubtedly will send them broke.
The cost of NBL1 here is the issue. Can these small clubs spend 300k - 400K to win a (meaningless) title? No.
These states have an elite program already that in turn is quite expensive. Makes no sense what so ever.

There will always be a viable senior competition. There always has been, prior to the juniors. You don't have to overspend to have a competition exist. In fact overspending will be the reason Seniors hit a wall, not underspending. But either way, there will be a competition so everyone just take a breath and relax.

In regards to resources, BSA should have installed a matrix as the club JDO's requested a long time ago. This matrix would ensure that for a Club to qualify for the top level of Senior competition in SA they had to meet certain criteria across the Club as a whole. Not just investing in Full Time JDOs (with full time equivalent packages) but also Good Governance, Paid Administration, Finance Management, Domestic Leagues, Sponsorship and Community engagement.

Underpaid full time or part time JDO's as well as a lack of resources in recruitment, retaining and development at all junior basketball levels to prop up a Senior team is not the answer. But neither is investing 100% into juniors and running a Senior team for the sake of it.

There has to be balance of income vs expense and some diversity in both for a Club to truly be successful across the board.

(You can't have it both ways. By all means go into nbl1 and send your clubs broke.)

If your team doesn't like nbl1 and thinks it will go broke don’t join up, move aside next.

There's PLENTY under NBL1, it's a mess. There's so much ELITE Senior basketball its a joke. Including they all play 12 months of the year while other leagues have one season of 18 - 26 games.

BSA run 6 Men's and 4 Women's Senior Divisions.

Tier 1
Nbl / Wnbl (hopefully aligned teams in the future) the quicker the better...

^

Tier 2
Nbl1 Conferences North, East, South, Central, West (A legit nationwide semi pro comp)

^

Tier 3
Currently Big v, qbl, Waratah, premier league, sbl or similar, these are for associations not big enough to enter or cannot enter due to finances but still can enter men's and women’s teams. Maybe in time they can make the step up into tier 2 as the club grows.
Imo, this tier 3 should be restructured to be called nbl2 north, east, south, Central,, west where all the other teams fit into for uniformity, this competition would be without all the extras of nbl1 like live-streaming, marketing, etc. no conference end of season champs etc etc.

"Currently Big v, qbl, Waratah, premier league, sbl or similar,"

QBL renamed NBL1 North now. QSL is the secondary league.

Calling it NBL 1 in SA wont increase revenue, only expense.

It won't attract better players because clubs have no money. And lose money running their senior teams.

#130,

I have never heard so much ill informed dribble in all my life. NBL 1 will not make clubs broke - Poor Management will make Clubs broke.

You are guessing about every clubs position and in many cases you are wrong as has been identified by #145.

Southern Tigers had financial issues before NBL 1 came along.

South are financially well managed with good financial expertise on their Board. They are spending less than what you imagine and certainly is sustainable.

Sturt - lol - are you from Sturt and believe providing a strong pathway through seniors is a waste of money. Are you suggesting no other club cares about their juniors???

West - maybe you are from West(?) as you seem to have an intimate knowledge of what they are spending and what their sponsor situation is.

Woodville - your comment has already been refuted.

North, Norwood, Forestville - They are emerging more and more each year as powers in Juniors. I'm guessing Sturt are not spending money charged to parents wisely if these clubs are allegedly pouring money into their PL teams. These clubs are able to be financially strong while generating strong junior talent and strong PL teams. They show it is not mutually exclusive.

Centrals and Mavericks. I didn't follow your point if there was one at all.

So I have no doubt that NBL 1 Central will not send Clubs broke - only poor management can do that!

^yep

Nbl1 north, central and south for nz could be a possibility down the track.
I think they need to change the nz breakersto auckland and bringin Wellington first.

(Other than Newcastle and Illawarra,what other country associations would be financial enough to play in NBL 1.)

Why blow crap out your ass?

Lukosios,

So apart from the cost associated with signage and live-streaming. What were the financial benefits?

In SA clubs don't control their own stadiums primarily and actually have to pay course hire for games as well as staffing.

Also, who is paying the cost of attending the inevitable National Tournament which NBL players won’t be able to attend due to their NBL team commitments?

^LK

So you are saying that the current competiton/s are going to be simpply re named? That's the first time I have ever heard of that.
As I said in Sydney's case the move I thought that they were doing was to add another competition, not a rebranding.

(Maitland are the only other one who would probably play as they have played in waratah championship for years as well.)

Don't be silly it’s not only about the Sydney region and the waratah championship, nsw is a big state with plenty of basketball talent and money/ sponsors/ local and state government funding. Why are you so afraid of this? Your coming off a little paranoid and crazy.

^Is that all?

NBL1 south clubs have to pay an entry fee of 33k. No idea what this is for. Referee costs are in addition to this and about another 9k. In addition there are travel costs. These funds are paid to basketball Vic.

Is anybody able to shed any light on whether the new nbl1 leagues suddenly have these enourmous entry fees. If so maybe this is why people are saying it will send
Clubs broke.

I have heard that Sturt have refused to be apart of the nbl1 comp in sa. They will not enter their teams.

Its costing the clubs nothing to enter in SA, BSA are picking up the bill ,

^are you sure? That's not what others are saying, are you spreading fake news?

Wow Chinese whispers being fed by mischievous comments - a recipe for global panic never before seen since the Y2K bug. And what a beat up that was.

There is no additional cost being levied on the clubs by BSA. All that is being charged is referee costs and Hudl costs which is consistent with 2019. For SA there are no entry fees.

NBL and BSA will provide all the support required, especially on game night, to ensure any additional work by clubs is minimised

This is contained in an MOU, a draft which has been circulated to clubs for comment. In addition a clause is included to allow PL clubs to step away from NBL 1 after 12 months if certain events occur which may have been picked up in a more lengthy due diligence.

Clubs are protected and a lot of what is being said is just scaremongering and it seems it is coming from one club.

What is proposed is very similar to what Lukosius has outlined previously except SA has been able to negotiate even further safeguards.

(Wow Chinese whispers being fed by mischievous comments - a recipe for global panic never before seen since the Y2K bug. And what a beat up that was.)

Can you say that^ any more?

#541 thank you for your level headed calmness.
Are you related to Will?

(NBL1 south clubs have to pay an entry fee of 33k. No idea what this is for. Referee costs are in addition to this and about another 9k. In addition there are travel costs. These funds are paid to basketball Vic.)

I call bullish;t on that, stop spreading fake news

It's SA, of course there is scaremongering! The most resistant state to any form of change.

^yes

ha ha ha sturt arent going to play
well where are they going to play then in their domestic league, give me a break

^not in nbl1 by the looks. Move aside next.

Yeah Sturt are going to quit NBL1 Central and put their best team into Reserves Tuesday nights!! OMG that's funny

Maybe if Sturt and another club do not like it we can have a stronger 8 team, 21 round season

^Yep start a new thread then.

On a more positive note does anybody know the season kick off weekend dates? Or is it to far out for BSA given they have problems all over the place at the minute.

Please elaborate on the problems

"NBL1 south clubs have to pay an entry fee of 33k. No idea what this is for. Referee costs are in addition to this and about another 9k. In addition there are travel costs. These funds are paid to basketball Vic"

not fake 100% accurate

I am confused as I thought Dean Anglin was Basketball Victoria's Senior Elite League Manager and therefore employed by basketball victoria and not the NBL. has this changed?

the NBL1 south league commenced when SEABL was disbanded by BA. BV came out and said they were starting up a new elite league. it effectively replaced seabl all those clubs played in nbl1 but for a couple plus some new vic clubs. there was much discussion about what the new league would be called. not too far out from the commencement of the season it was announced the league would be called nbl1. i thought it was like the nbl were the victorian leagues naming right sponsor and as apart of that deal they were going to handle the "media" type work.the clubs would have to meet some match day kpi about what the on court product looked like

is that right and the nbl are basically coming on as naming right sponsors for the other state league and a part of that deal is the participating clubs need to meet some kpi on match day.

or is this something that is really being pushed by BV (doesnt really make sense they would) but has me thinking as it is suggested above that anglin is involved in the negotiations with those states but he is employed by bv not nbl?

^bull dust

Which part?

Sounds about right to me. The initial changeover to NBL1 from SEABL meant those same teams and a few other new clubs had to front up with about half what the original seabl clubs were paying in entry fees every year.
Not sure in year 2 about what's happening in terms of existing clubs going on. The ongoing costs of an NBL1 team is still high in terms of players costs etc. In other new Leagues I am not sure what will transpire. Nor if their will be a new competition rather than a rebranded league.

I started the Sydney going into the NBL1 stream and I need to speak with the person who would know. I do know as I said previously that their club was anti NBL1.
I need to find out exactly what their club's requirement is from NBL1.

^nice bring it on.

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It's sad that nswbball and wabball will fall behind the other states, I guess that’s what happens when you don’t in brace change and live in the past.

How will they fall behind?

It's the same premier league with the same players and the same small crowds.

It’s effectively just a naming rights sponsor for the league.

The clubs don’t all of sudden have more money to lure or retain better players.

Maybe or maybe nbl1 teams will pick up all the best talent from nsw and wa.
I don't even want to know about nsw or wa teams only nbl1 teams and the national championship.
So could fall behind in talent and will fall behind in exposure, in live in qld and have already checked out all the teams in nbl1 central and south.
I don’t know or care about any team from nsw or wa.

And soon you'll be able to GAMBLE your money on the games. Did you realise that!

been able to gamble on games in the old seable and big v for years

So potentially 5 conferences more to come in?

Aus
East, west.

Nz
North, central, south

^good news

Why would someone playing part time who has a full time job move interstate?

^ better opportunities or stay at home with your momma

Or stay in a career that will pay you 40 years worth of income.

Hard to turn down a $100k job and career for a season of $20k.

Momma. Why do australians write like sepo's. Why do Aussies ues the word "like" in all ther sentences. Anyways... Oh please. The list goes on.

^like yo momma

(Or stay in a career that will pay you 40 years worth of income.)

That's fine too what ever that individual desires.