Not that this post had anything to do with an us vs them mentality, but...

2019 U14 National Club Champs

Boys
7th - Willetton Tigers (WA)
8th - Dandenong Rangers
12th - Warwick Senators (WA)
13th - Kilsyth Cobras
17th - Geelong Supercats

Girls
10th - Willetton Tigers
12th - Nunawading Spectres
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Cool argument Anon - jog on mate

No Eagles teams.

For a long time now they have been a poor cousin to the other three powerful northern associations (PL, Wolves, Senators). I wonder what the future holds for East Perth.

When there has been discussion over reducing the number of SBL teams, the Eagles are always one of the first to be mentioned, with the suggestion either being that they get cut altogether or merge with Senators.

They have been an club lacking an identity for a long time and haven't had a true home, a bit nomadic you could say. Every other association from Wolves to Mandurah has either been located at the same stadium for many years or have recently moved into an upgraded venue. The Eagles are the exception.

In an SBL sense, the Albany area is going gangbusters (it has a higher population that Geraldton or Kalgoorle). Are they a likely option to take over the Eagles SBL license with WABL players then distributing out to the other northern/eastern associations?

Is EP's time numbered as a valid Association/SBL license holder?

is this for junior teams only ? and then if so what age groups does it encompass ?

U12/14/16/18s only ?

First two weeks of BWA State Championships which were U11 Boys and Girls, U13 Girls, U15 Girls, U17 Boys and Girls, U19 Boys and Girls across the top two divisions

Yeah I would strongly agree that all were heavily influenced by Forde in their development, no coincidence there. My apologies too, their U15 Div 2 Girls won their grand final last weekend so add them to the list. Who is the biggest concern right now in terms of development: East Perth or Rockingham / Mandurah? Whilst there has long been an argument to dissolve the Eagles and have them merge with neighbouring clubs, the argument could be made that the Flames and Magic merging could definitely improve their junior stocks whilst also giving them access to two refurbished facilities and allow them to branch out in the south coast region - much like what Geelong have done with Corio Bay over in the VJBL.

Jo Lual Achuil, Matur Maker and Duop Reath also played age group basketball for East Perth.

so at U14 club nationals - the WA teams have been playing U15 comp - so against 1st year U16s ? Is that correct - surely that would help playing against a year older kids rather than year younger ? Or does qualification birthdate rule vary in WA ?

I've always found the WA teams competitive for sure.

what I said was do they play at home in U15 comp ? other states U14 club champs teams play in U14 comp at home - so playing against U15 comp back home would help ?

Its really not that hard "?"

Next years Under 14 Touring Teams (Teams attending Under 14 Club Nationals) play Under 13 Championship Division at the previous year's State Championships.

U11 State Champs = Following years U12 WABL
U13 State Champs = Following years U14 WABL
U15 State Champs = Following years U16 WABL
etc etc

Do we get the picture now mate?

ok i never knew they played odd year state champs

Elite Clubs - Willetton, Perry Lakes, Joondalup
On The Rise - Warwick, Kalamunda, Lakeside
Going Backwards - Rockingham, Mandurah, Cockburn, East Perth, Perth, South West
Too Early To Tell - Hills

Insider, your comment only makes sense if you base your logic in:

"The measure of a successful junior programs is in how many games or championships they win"

If you look at retention, translation into SBL programs and overall happiness inside programs, you would have a very different table..

I looked at ranking the Clubs at the end of the 2019 WABL season. Here's what I came up with;

Joint WABL/SBL Clubs - Junior Program Strength (based on championship division teams, u12s to u18s)

1. Willetton; championship division teams in all age groups (two teams, in fact, on three occasions) for a total of 11 teams in the top divisions, all girls' teams made playoffs for a total of nine playoff teams, all boys' teams in playoffs made the grand final for a total of seven grand finalists. Easily the strongest Club and will soon have a bigger stadium to boot.

2. Perry Lakes; championship division teams in all age groups (two teams on one occasion, being the only Club other than Willetton to achieve the feat) for a total of nine teams in the top divisions, all teams in playoffs made the grand final for a total of three grand finalists. Very solid across the board.

3. Warwick; championship division teams in all age groups for a total of eight teams in the top divisions, all girls' teams made playoffs for a total of six playoff teams, all boys' teams in playoffs made the grand final for a total of two grand finalists. Doing very well in the new WABL system.

4. Rockingham; championship division teams in all age groups apart from u14 boys for a total of seven teams in the top divisions, four playoff teams and one grand finalist. Has a stronger girls' program based on these results.

5. Perth; championship division teams in all age groups apart from u14 girls for a total of seven teams in the top divisions, three playoff teams and one grand finalist. Making the most of the new WABL system.

6. Joondalup; championship division teams in all age groups apart from u18 girls for a total of seven teams in the top divisions, four playoff teams but no grand finalists. Firmly placed in the middle of the pack these days.

7. Lakeside; championship division teams in all age groups apart from u12 girls for a total of seven teams in the top divisions, three playoff teams but no grand finalists. Very little to separate them from Joondalup.

8. South West; championship division teams in all age groups apart from u18 boys for a total of seven teams in the top divisions, one playoff team but no grand finalists. Need to get more of their best teams into post regular season play.

9. Mandurah; only four championship division teams but all but one made playoffs and both girls' teams in playoffs made the grand final. Like Rockingham, they have a stronger girls' program.

10. Kalamunda; only four championship division teams, two playoff teams but no grand finalists. Another Club with a decidedly stronger girls' program.

11. Cockburn; championship division teams in all boys' age groups (for a total of four) but the only Club this year to have no teams in the top divisions for girls, two playoff teams but no grand finalists. Work in progress it seems.

12. East Perth; only three championship division teams, both boys' teams made playoffs but no grand finalists. Need to convert good player numbers into top division teams.