I was going to put forth a response... but this is likely just a well thought-out attempt at trolling by OP.

Hope you catch a few fish.

Poster doesn't seem to know what a rock spider is.

"You conveniently left out any mention of Patty Mills who is probably the most loved player on this forum."

He probably is actually. If you look at the guys who cop it the most, Teys gets a flogging and Spud gets a ribbing too. Bogut gets called a sook from time to time. When you think about, I think most Hoopsters hate everyone, equally.

"Poster doesn't seem to know what a rock spider is."

Aren't they found under rocks? In the ocean?

Any chance we can just ban any Boomer-related discussion involving Lemanis, Simmons and Bolden? Easily some of the worst threads this site has seen.

Well, sorry, but the labels used accurately describe the players they're attributed to. Don't blame me if they so happen to be black. I doubt if Jonah Bolden were white and walked out on the team that everyone would be singing his praises. And Ben Simmons is a primadonna no matter what colour he is. He wants personal team chefs and personal massage therapists. I mean how removed from the real world can a person be that things like this are actually precluding him from being involved in a basketball tournament? Bet he demands every glass of water he drinks is unearthed from the purist glaciers from some unreachable part of the Himalayan mountains as well.

"Lemanis gets the sack and immediately blame is place on Bolden and Simmons. Why not Motum, or Creek, or Broekhoff."

Because thinking people know that none of those players have the cache to actually cause Basketball Australia to move a finger. Are you blind to how much bigger stars Bolden and Simmons are compared to them?

"Australia is a very racist country. Just look at the racial discrimination Ben Simmons copped at Crown earlier this year."

You mean by people calling out how ridiculous his claim was? He wasn't dressed to their dress code, and the liquor licensing laws stipulate anyone who looks under 25 is asked for ID. He was asked for ID, refused to show it, and he is under 25. No racist story to be found.

"When Bogut, Baynes, Creek, or even Kay is discussed, the sentiments are mostly positive. But Talk about Simmons, Bolden, Maker, Jawai, etc, and the balance substantially shifts towards the negative."

Yeah, sure. If you step away from the specifics of what each player does on court or in their lives, you might see 'race'. But to the rest of us, we see players with different attributes who can be judged on those different attributes. Shocking, I know. But not everyone sees in black and white the way you do. In fact the first person to draw any link to race on any of this is you.

Spot on OP. Then you have coward edgelords like Manu Feildel using the N word.

THe most mocked guy on this board is probably Brendan Teys. He's about as white as it gets.

I see plenty of hate for all types on the forum.
Teys
Drmic
Cadee
Gliddon
Barlow
Goulding
Ogilvy
Wagstaff
Redhage
Bogut

All look white to me.

Simmons and Bolden cop shit for their attitude not skin colour.

Can't imagine many people have a problem with Cotton playing for Australia. Weren't issues with Grace or Loggins.

OP is a shit stirring moron.

OP have you seen the abuse this forum gives :

- Cadee
- Gliddon
- Braun.
- Singler.
- Sobey
- Bairstow
- Goulding
- Teys.
- White.
- Scott Christopherson.
- Marty Clarke.
- Djeric.
- Kenney.
- Matt Flynn.
- Gleeson.
- Demopolous
- Gaze
- Brett Rainbow
???

Marty Clarke, now that's a name I haven't heard for a while.

Don't mention his name 3 times

Now that Lemanis has been sacked the OP needed to find new material related to the Boomers. He went to the absolute bottom and it's working - it has already triggered ME to write yet another essay. Too easy. Keep replying and it will continue.

Any chance we can just ban any Boomer-related discussion involving Lemanis, Simmons and Bolden? Easily some of the worst threads this site has seen.

Ok. I'm racist then. So what?

Seems everyone is so obsessed with everyone else being racist these days, and so scared to be labelled it.

But fuck it, according to your backwards and ridiculous logic, I'm a racist.

So fine. I'm a racist. What next?

"I especially like the bit where "Me" claims he's not racist, then points out how racist he is, but says its not racism, because if a white person behaved like those pesky blacks he'd hate them too. Text-book racism right there."

Call me ableist too, but are you literally retarded?

Did someone just call Aretha Franklin a token black. And really used blank spaces to imply they had american coloured friends. Fxzc@wit.

Daniel Joyce says hi..!

Me is out of his cotton picking mind.

I've updated my name for you

Well, not going to deny that there is no racism on this forum (you only have to go look back at the Australia day/ indigenous round threads) but this is a bit of cherry picking by the OP here.

Bogut, Baynes, Creek AND Mills got a fair amount of love from posters. Initially Bolden and Landale also got some support but that quickly turned after Bolden dropped out (rather late) and Landale got exposed on D. Simmons also copped a bit of a flogging for dropping out but I think we are all quite disappointed that we are yet to see Australia's all time greatest player actually play for us.

But the reality is, the players who got the most hate over the last world cup would be Bolden (after leaving), Kay (before people, including myself, realised he could compete at this level) and AL's favourites, Sobey, Gliddon and Cadee

It seems that if you look at everything rather than cherry picking certain players, race was not the primary motivator for most posters

And of course Deng Adel could be added to that list, it seems quite a lot of people agreed with his exclusion

There is only one Race - The Human Race. Build a bridge and get over it!

Race wasn't a motivating factor in the least and it's ridiculous that anyone believes it was. It's like, you can acknowledge that white guys are shit. That's fine. Acknowledged a few black guys are shit? That's racist. Hold black guys to the standards you hold white guys to? That's racist. It's absolutely ridiculous. But then again, I'm apparently a racist so I suppose I would find that ridiculous.

Any chance we can just ban any Boomer-related discussion involving Lemanis, Simmons and Bolden? Easily some of the worst threads this site has seen.


best suggestion yet


its behaviour not skin colour that gets people off side

My skin is brown. My manner is tough. My life has been too rough.
I'm awfully bitter these days, because my parents were slaves.

I feel like everyone has copped it on this forum, although it does ebb and flow.

For example, after the Philippines debacle Chris Goulding was lambasted as a flopping cry-baby. Some of the criticism was deserved, some not. Then came the WC, and after some very solid performances in the green and gold he was largely praised for his efforts.

Was it racist that he copped a pasting after some poor behaviour? Was it equally racist he got some plaudits after some very good games?

I think not.

Anyone who thinks there's subtle racism on this forum may have a point but try posting with a female name and check out the sexist crap thrown at you to disprove your opinions.

Racism comes in all different shapes and sizes.

I should also point out that it's not restricted to skin colour or ethnicity.

Branding all English Migrants as "Whinging Poms" is racist.
Saying that all (white) Americans are Obese and Ignorant is racist.

So a person can be racist against somebody of Black American heritage, or indeed all Americans, without necessarily being racist against all Black People.

I'd also point out that racism isn't confined to beliefs of Superiority & Inferiority. If you judge or prejudge somebody differently, based on race, that is racism.

Just something to think about.

I just hate that racism has become the easy way out of a debate for idiotic people. Say a person who happens to be black is not good for X, Y, Z reason, the reply is "you're racist!" It's a comment made to stymie any kind of critique of anyone from the chosen victim group. Aand it's a little bit sad, pathetic, and intellectually lazy.

I mean I was called racist earlier for treating black people the same as I treat white people basically. It takes a special kind of idiot to do that, but our anonymous group are definitely that, so it continues.

Why thank you. Glad you noticed.

This thread needs an animated Bill Beaver losing his shit at the refs GIF.

Sorry but racism comes down to an uneven distribution of resources and power.

Only groups of people with inherent access to resources and power can be racist to those who have historically been denied access to resources and power and continue to feel the effects of this inequity.

There's sweeping statements and closed-mindedness coming the other way, but you can't call it racism as it is not embedded in societal hierarchy.

Of course this forum is racist. It's initially subtle and hard to notice, but when you open your eyes to it, you realise it's right in front of your face, every time. This forum couldn't get any more white, in page background. All the important content is black, in text colour, doing all the unpaid hard work. The forum just expects the black text to vectorize itself, voluntarily. Then when you point this out, and reload the page, what happens? There it is, an all white page, white supremacy, again. Then if you want to post a message, you have to press (assault) an orange button, which is blatant gingerism if ever I've seen it.

This reminds me of the time where in a Corey Webster thread I posted an image from the 80s sitcom Webster and was labelled a racist for doing so by a whole bunch of people. Even after others explained to them what it meant they still didn't get it. It must be far easier for most to use the word racist rather than do a simple web search on a pop culture reference they've failed to understand. Classic.

ME says he's not racist but when ever a black person steps out of line he goes off like a two bob watch. In the past he's been all over the Ben Simmons, Liz Cambage and Adam Goodes threads like a rash he's not racist though just black people need to know their place, to be seen and not heard.

Were they also threads about people *claiming racism* when arguably there was none?

As perfectly illustrated by the OP, there are many instances of confirmation bias, selective memory, or spurious correlations. It's not uncommon to have an initial belief be consolidated by a screw up in your pattern recognition system.

(You can use a similar argument to help explain people's strong belief in god, so it's not like this is only specific to this kind of topic)

If there are other reasonable explanations that don't involve racism, why is it wrong to point them out? Unfortunately, we are getting to a stage among some of the ideological extremists where merely denying an alleged instance of racism, or suggesting it is unlikely, is deemed to exhibit racism itself. It's an absurd argument.

"She is a witch!"
"No, she is not."
"Only a witch would defend another witch. Burn her!"


"I can't be a witch; I like Pastor Eddy and his wife Aretha very much."
"Claiming to not be a witch because you love Pastor Tim or his wife Aretha, or some other token pious person who doesn't offend you, is also straight out of the witch handbook!"

Oh god. Isaac can this whole thread please be purged from the internet?

Well, you'll take this the wrong way I'm sure, but can you name some white players as divisive as Ben Simmons, Liz Cambage or Adam Goodes? If you can't, you have no real way to say how I'd react if there were white players making as big- a- bell end of themselves as those guys.

"If your attacks on Simmons were based in any way on his ability, that might escape notice, but they're not. You have attacked this kid from day one. With Bolden it has been more varies, but still the Vitriole is disproportionate."

Well there isn't much to debate on his ability. But he's been going around saying ridiculous shit and acting like a fuckwit, so there's my vitriol. I had not a single bad thing to say about him until he played his little hokey pokey with the Boomers team.

"Those agreeing & attacking Lemanis, those disagreeing and defending Lemanis, and the racists who immediately blamed the nearest Black scapegoat."

For what it is worth I never said Simmons was the reason and I never said Bolden was the reason. I have defended that Lemanis did a decent job with the team and people have reacted bizarrely to it.

"I should also point out, and its almost comical, that the OP didn't out anyone in particular. The racists have outed themselves with responses."

Yeah, because if you don't think something is racist, and if you say as much, you MUST be a racist. You people are brain dead.

If the new coach were anyone other than Brett Brown people wouldn't have immediately jumped to Simmons and Bolden.

"If the new coach were anyone other than Brett Brown people wouldn't have immediately jumped to Simmons and Bolden."

Sorry, but did you just see an obvious and undeniable link?

DATS WACIST

"But an Aboriginal dare say anything about race and you go ballistic. It doesn't matter if what they say are an example of racism or not the fact you go so crazy over it speaks volumes." - Zodiac

Sorry, Zodiac, this is another spurious correlation. The discussion on Heal was short and quick, not because he's white, but because there was a lack of contrasting opinions. Notice the threads that get the most discussion occur when there are multiple opinions. Also notice in the media in general the wide discussion generated by accusations of racism. It is mostly not a racists vs non-racists debate, although I'm sure there are some racists out there. Racism is treated with disdain in our culture by, it seems, the vast majority. A large amount of discussion comes from the grey area in what constitutes racism. A large amount comes from simply disagreeing with the interpretation of events, disagreeing what others' motives might be for their actions. That leaves a lot of room for discussion. Take this thread as an example. I actually don't recall people arguing *for* racism.



"Plus there favourite defence just like "Me" is to say "I'm not racist, I just hate black people because they deserve it." - anonotroll

This is when we need registration on this forum, so we immediately know who is a troll and/or already lost credibility, so we don't have to waste time reading their nonsense. At least Zodiac puts his name to his comments. I respect him/her holding a consistent opinion, but disagree with the interpretation, so ultimately believe Zodiac's points are most likely invalid. All the others (if there really is more than one) claiming racism have taken pot shots from their anonymous bunker(s), without having the guts to lay claim to a defined posting history. It's cowardly and/or demonstrates a lack of strength in their own stance, avoiding scrutiny.

"Oh yeah, sorry, I forgot that one "I'm not racist I just hate Black People because they are so 'Divisive'!" Where by "divisive" you mean they dare to have opinions and stand up for themselves.
"

I never said they can't have opinions, but I don't have to pander to those opinions and agree with them just because they're black. And yes, divisive. When you randomly leave a team because you don't like the minutes you get despite not earning more, that's divisive. When you cry racism because a casino has the gall to subject you to the same ID checks they give normal civilians, and then you post on instagran about it whinging, that's divisive. When you pretend to throw a speer at opposition fans then wonder why they don't cheer for you, then have a documentary made about it trying to paint people as racist, THAT IS DIVISIVE.

You seem to think unless you immediately agree on everything a black person says any time they say it, about anything, you have to be racist. Black person: "The sky is green". Me: "The sky is blue". You: "The sky is racist and Me, you're racist for noticing."

"As I said, nobody has specifically named anybody, but the racists have outed themselves. Because yes, somewhat transparently, nothing gets a racist more fired up than a discussion about racism."

You sound pretty fired up yourself. Or could it be that people are just sick of constantly hearing about racism when it comes to things that aren't actually racist, just maybe?

"Then to defend themselves, they remind us about their racism towards other people such as Goodes and Cambage.
"See, I'm not racist, because I hate more Black people because they're divisive." Mmm great, yeah, thanks."

Who even said they hate black people more? If you're talking about divisive characters currently in basketball, they happen to be black. What do you want people to do about that? If I didnt generally agree with the things Andrew Bogut said I'd also call him divisive and to some people he is. So to those who feel Andrew Bogut is divisive, are they being racist to him?


"So basically your defence is that it's ok to call a Black person a "Filthy _____r crackhead" because as long as you don't call every Black person in the world the same thing, its not racist. Beautiful."


Literally no one on this board has ever said that, so your want to boil it down to something no one is saying is "beautiful". As someone who likes to behold the illogical idiocy of human beings, your entire debate thus far has been a thing of beauty.

Zodiac
Yesterday

Well, you'll take this the wrong way I'm sure, but can you name some white players as divisive as Ben Simmons, Liz Cambage or Adam Goodes? If you can't, you have no real way to say how I'd react if there were white players making as big- a- bell end of themselves as those guys.


Divisive? How are these players divisive? Shane Heal is a bigger tosser than all three of those people combined he's frittered away hundreds of thousands of dollars if not millions of other people's money on top of all the other things he's done and I don't remember you ever arking up about him.

But an Aboriginal dare say anything about race and you go ballistic. It doesn't matter if what they say are an example of racism or not the fact you go so crazy over it speaks volumes.




love this LOL, you obviously cant remember the threads lambasting Heal all over this forum and everywhere else, did anyone shout 'thats racist''...no they didn't because it was all about his behavior, but hell if anyone of colour behaves that way and they are given the same treatment , it HAS to be racists, couldn't possibly be because their behavior is appalling.
Same for Bogout, hes been blasted many time, Brendan Joyce, christ at one time hisd name was total mud here, and Lemanis, so its OK to dish out on anyone just so long as they are white, because any person of colour who has a bad attitude is justified ??????

Simmons is a prima donna and Cambage is his female equilvilant....may I remind everyone, that BOTH of these people also have a WHITE parent.

"Because yes, somewhat transparently, nothing gets a racist more fired up than a discussion about racism"

Ironically, it is you that has a racial obsession, studying each issue for any racial connection, judging people's responses by whether the subject of criticism is a particular race, desperately trying to correlate behaviour with race.

Have you considered that many of those that dismiss such claims are the least racially obsessive, least likely to be racist by the mere fact that race doesn't feature in their judgment of a person.

Some of the highest incidences of 'accidental'racism occurs from those most passionately obsessive with race.

My objection comes from whether I believe the claims are false. The OP has made some false connections, with probably the same anon making even more wild claims later. Same as when I explained the reasons for Lemanis's decision to choose Gliddon and Sobey (false claim = Brisbane bias). To claim racism from finding reasonable explanations that don't involve race is akin to claiming I endorse cronyism by suggeating that Gliddon and Sobey were reasonable selections for the World Cup.

Who in this thread is most obsessed with the race of people being discussed?