It's good, 1 step closer to nation wide nbl1 and a legit pathway for youth to funnel into.

^^So you don't like the idea then?

Awesome news for qld basketball nsw next

Not that I don't like it, just that it’s nothing more than a name change.

Please explain how it is suddenly overnight now a legit pathway to funnel youth talent?

How is it a step closer to a national comp?

You don't think every game live-streamed is a good thing?

End of season national playoff/carnival? Yes please. Put the State chest thumping to rest! Will have to be some scheduling genious though.

No!!

And I agree let's see what comes with a name change and does it actually deliver on improved pathways if the competition is the same.

If it is just a name change I say other leagues rebrand themselves NBA1 and skip the NBL and go straight to the NBA!

where did I say that? how many live stream games were there last season? it is of course a good thing so long as it doesnt affect fans actually turning up. the cost of live streaming each game must also be considered. its not cheap for a quality production. if the clubs are now meeting this expense on top of a no doubt increased entry fee (Nbl1 fee is $30k) will this impact the clubs ability to pay players? if it does doesnt that actually reduce the quality of the league?

the national/playoff carnival would be a complete waste of everyones time and at huge expense and for what? it is already well known which is the strongest league.

Alot of these second-tier teams are poorly managed and alot of them and their players like to keep the status quo. Alot of the existing state leagues are stale and need a high dose shot. A complete waste of time? If you like your situation nice and comfortable and samesies.

Gee what a surprise. NSW will be next

(How is it a step closer to a national comp?)

Now the NBL is behind it 100% your just angry

the nbl wont be doing all the media and exposure for nothing. i agree its great and nbl1 exposure wise is fantastic. but the nbl collected $540K from the competing clubs to do this. one would hope it was of high quality. this doesnt include the cost of streaming the games which the clubs have too meet themselves. the fees to play in nbl1 are increasing again this year.

does anyone know what the entry fee will be for the nbl1 north clubs? will it be an increase on league fees last year? if the nbl1 are promising the same things to the north clubs as the are to the nbl1 teams it should be the same cost to enter a club shouldnt it? if they are using the money paid by the nbl1 teams to pump up the tires of the qld league i can see some clubs being put out

This is a good thing for Australian basketball and will help grow bball in qld it's just taking the professionalism of local clubs to the next level and now I can follow and cheer on my local team in a national comp.

if they can afford to compete

This is awesome news for basketball in Australia.

Typically SA is years behind

Nsw basketball is confusing and hard to follow NBL1 should help spread the competition across all of nsw. A few towns and teams in northern nsw would love get in a national comp to show off the local talent and to help grow bball and infrastructure in these areas.

Needs to be a per conference based coe for maybe u20 players.

(if they can afford to compete)

It starts at a local level clubs can choose if they would like to be part of something bigger if they have the community support, sponsors, business skills, players, staff, etc then they can go to a state level last year that was as far as they could go and it was a bit boring compared to NBL1. Now if the qld teams have all of those things needed to win the qnbl1 title it won't be that much harder to go on and compete for a national nbl1 title. Will it make it hard for smaller teams to compete? Yep but they still have local and state comps to play in and have something to aspire to and work towards for the future. And I think my local team the Gold Coast will be fine and give Jack Mcveigh a chance to play close to his home town.

Would it be better to join WA and SA for nbl1 west?

So will BV and NBL change their minds once again and push Pioneers back to SA league?

Wa n sa seperate

Qld/nt
Nsw/act
Vic/tas
Sa
Wa

Having the name NBL brand attached to any state league will create more interest for the average punter in my opinion. An end of season state league national championship tournament would be great!

^yep I already have more interest in the qnbl1 over last season

(Wa n sa seperate)


(Qld/nt
Nsw/act
Vic/tas
Sa
Wa)


Why would all the other states pair up and not WA and SA?
It would make more sense for them to pair up as well that way there's 4 confronts winners for the finals and not 5 winners as you are suggesting.

Because how do some of these leagues compete with others. The budgets of the Vic conference would be conservatively 5 times that of some of the other states.

The finals will be a farce - a bit like what used to happen in the ABA many years ago.

Will simply make costs for the grass root players more expensive if other states have to compete.

Where do you get 5 times from?

Because wa and sa are to far apart. Cost of travel too much.

the clubs as a whole dont have the money to do this. NSW clubs are smart in rejecting it. i believe sa have too atleast at the initial stages of convos. unfortunately there is insufficient money in the sport to run a national second tier competition. until larry took over there wasnt even enough for the first tier. could still argue not enough for a first tier with the league costing larry money to run as opposed to making him money. most teams also run at a considerable loss. it simply not sustainable. not sure what has been wrong with 2nd tier and grass roots system anyway seemingly producing the highest level of talent from this country ever. the second comp needs to be condensed not expanded. nbl1 need to get rid of about 4 melbourne teams which will increase the standard as players are too diluted at present. the league needs road trips to give the league the professional vibe. nbl1 remains as a "feeder" "development" league for nbl and the "state" leagues act a "feeder" "development" league for nbl1. creates a great pathway in my view.

Nsw basketball has been crap for years, got better since old man Cadee left but still a long way behind. The club with the most finances is parramatta which is not a member of basketball nsw and doesn't play in any of there competitions, they reckon it’s a rip off. It’s where the kings train now.
Hopefully this all changes when nbl get involved. I’ve known a fair few coaches and board members from a lot of nsw basketball clubs and they all think the same though I believe it’s improving.

Where do you get 5 times from?

Is this your list?

1.(Qld/nt
2.Nsw/act
3.Vic/tas
4.Sa
5.Wa)

Looks like 5 to me

Qld /NT teams will have the same distance to travel as WA /SA
Vic/Tas teams cross the ocean. it won't hurt wa/sa pairing up it’s ok you won’t get germs

Where still going to have local basketball leagues where still going to have regional and state leagues. teams don't have to sign up for nbl1 if they don’t think there up to it but it will help the strong state teams to grow and not just be the best state team but to be the best state team in Australia. maybe in a few years nz nbl1 teams as well.

I guess some people don’t like progress

It is easy to just throw comments in there that people don't like progress. But is it really progress? Just because someone says it doesn't make it true

Yes, could see 3 nz conferences also. North, south and central perhaps.

It's not a quick fix, it’ll take sometime before the conferences even out around aus.
The issue has been how the state leagues have been run in the past. No more bs. All under same banner with guidance. If they don’t cut it, they stay in tier 3 state league until they can prove that they can.
Nsw who have had the worst management for sometime will get much better sooner under nbl1.

The first nbl1 season had a lot of success. Ask the clubs, some had a 600 per cent increase in attendance over the season.
Frankston and Nunawading could barely fit any more people in at times. Compare that to previous seabl seasons like night n day.

Only some teams enter, just like a lot of teams who still play in big v.

agreed koberulz.

is it being suggested only some of the qbl teams will enter in nbl1? if so any idea how many? those that dont what league are they going to play in?

while it might work in places like nsw and qld to only have some of the current state league teams join and form nbl1 as there are a sufficient number of teams with enough resources and finances to compete what about SA. cant possibly suggests there are sufficient state league teams with resources and budgets to compete in an nbl1 league. i guess those they dont join just fold do they? or do they become solely junior clubs with no senior teams?

needs to be remembered that larry is doing all of this for one reason only and that is to make money. might not make it immediately but his plan will be to build up so that it does make him money or gets to a position where he can sell the nbl to make him money.
incredibly risk in my view to have one man control the whole sport throughout Australia.

The QBL is now NBL1 North
Teams appear to be Cairns Townsville Mackay Rocky USC Rip Brisbane Logan Sth Districts South West Metro and GC - Ipswich Toowoomba Gladstone have a decision to make

The SBL is continuing in the south east corner as a junior league of sorts

A new QSL is going to emerge for the teams south of Rocky who cant afford to be in NBL1 North but want something a bit better than SBL. Teams appear to be Toowoomba Ipswich Gladstone (possibly) North GC Bundaberg Maroochydore Caboolture and Northside

15 teams into nbl1 north in it's first season I think was listed.

Why not north Gold Coast?

I believe there is talk of a team from Darwin. Any news on this?

(If NBL1 replaces the QBL, how is there still a state league?)


The SBL is continuing in the south east corner as a junior league of sorts

A new QSL is going to emerge for the teams south of Rocky who cant afford to be in NBL1 North but want something a bit better than SBL. Teams appear to be Toowoomba Ipswich Gladstone (possibly) North GC Bundaberg Maroochydore Caboolture and Northside


Basketball was now where in Australia until Larry and the team stepped in every one should stop freaking the f¥<€ out and see how it all pans out. What's the worst thing that can happen? Go back to playing individual state comps? At least someone is trying to improve bball in Australia (and not just in Victoria) even if it is just for monetary gain

For SA it must be all in or none in. Can you imagine 5 clubs saying yes and 5 saying no. Would make for an exciting conference and state league with a bye each week and playing each other team 5 times a season.

#881,

I know the Pioneers budget and I have a good handle on the average budgets for other PL clubs. Some clubs would be 1/10th of the Pioneers. So if these clubs who spend most of their revenue on junior development how does this improve the pathway if they are not in NBL1 due to cost?

One rule does not fit all. I'll be curious how this all ends up but be wary of all the smoke and mirrors of people who see this as a profit making exercise

SA couldn't afford is back in the CBA days, why would anything change now?

why does second tier need to be national? there is not enough depth of talent nor is their sufficient money. the talent we have will be spread to thin. there is a need for a strong off season second tier league ie seabl or the new nbl1. those talented enough should play in that league, it should be at most 15 teams. then the "state leagues" should be third tier.

"Plus the old SEABL didn't really enjoy getting smacked by QBL teams."

Pretty sure there was only 1 season when QLD won it all in the SEABL.
So stop the smacking talk ;)

Thats not quite true, Cairns and Rocky have won in the mens and Townsville won back to back in the women

Pretty sure Cairns won in 1997 and Rocky a decade ago? I wouldn't know about the women sorry.

We should take down the names of all the haters, it hasn't even begun and there is already so much negativity.

so Everyone is always just supposed to agree with decisions and proposals in basketball? Question the merit in the same and putting forward some concerns or doubts is forbidden? Best you move country to that with a different ideology.

NBL1 is cheaper than the SEABL. However FWIH some teams pay for other teams to visit. Is that true?
Will the Mount have to pay for every team to visit?

At the end of the day it doesn't matter what anyone on here thinks about it because it’s happening. I’m Looking forward to seeing the future of Australian basketball

Climate change is happening too. Doesn't mean it is good!

Mount paying big time. Not much choice really - agree to BV's demands or face a fairly rapid demise in Premier League.

Powerful Vic clubs making it as hard as possible for them.

It not an even playing field even within the current nbl1 league it certainly won't be with nbl1 north league compared to the rules for the nbl1 vic league. Therefore what’s the point of national finals when the teams compete in leagues with different rules

What are the different rules?

Can't wait till it’s nation wide, going to be awesome for Aussie basketball.

Why will it be awesome?? It will be awesome if successful and clubs can afford to develop grass root players otherwise I'm not convinced

You are not convinced yet the qbl are?

QLD vs VIC: what rules are different?

My understanding is that not all qbl teams agree - only some of them!

"Climate change is happening too. Doesn't mean it is good!"

The recent changes in climate have been great for crop yields etc, warmer times are usually more prosperous. However, if this interglacial comes to an end the next major change in climate is going to be difficult to deal with.

Nbl1 Vic still play the old tech foul rule

What are rules around restricted players?

QBL an "ok comp", "Low level players". Tell that to Cairns who had 3 current fully contracted Taipans, Alex Loughton, Jurlina and an Import (although not so quality) and finished 4th. The upper end of the QBL has always been at least on par with SEABL/NBL1 for a number of years. Many players move interstate for playing gigs in the QBL which says a lot about budget, recruiting etc. The change has only been 1 season and was only announced a few months before the season started. How about we re-assess in 3-5 years when it has been established.

Taipans got the crappiest bench in the league because of three taipans players, horrible example.

(so Everyone is always just supposed to agree with decisions and proposals in basketball?)

I guess you could keep it how it is and not grow the sport, that could work.
Or you could try something new and exciting for the players and teams involved. no one has a gun to there head the NBL isn't a dictatorship it’s a basketball league trying to grow basketball in Australia and make a clear pathway from juniors to the nba. as we have seen the NBL can and will adjust thing if it needs to for the better.

Question the merit in the same and putting forward some concerns or doubts is forbidden? Best you move country to that with a different ideology.


Don’t have to move countries that sounds like the Australian government (the coalition) to me just the Australian media.

SA Premier League a prime example of not growing the sport.

no doubt the top few teams of qbl qould challenge for finals in nbl1 or the previous seabl teams. the top 2 or 3 sa teams would do so similarly and i am sure that the case in wa and perhaps nsw too. thats not the issue.

as i see it the issue is these quality 2nd ier players are spread out accross the country.

for these players to be developing (particularly if they are young) and trying to secure an nbl gig or a more luracative deal and more playing time in nbl they need to be challenged day in day game after game. that is not occurring in the current format and wont change in the new nbl1 format. an end of season tournament is insufficient it needs be season long high quality play.

we need all of these players playing in the one comp. the only competition with close enough clubs, population, financial support is the current nbl1 comp. this should be the sole focus of the nbl making this clearly the 2nd teir league that all quality players play in. there should be a reduction in melbourne teams so it is a league of about 14 teams.

other junior clubs who produce great talent encourage and want their players to make the nbl and beyond. there should be no difference and they should be encouraging their select few juniors to go and play in the 2nd tier comp to achieve the highest level of play they can (and pay). the "state leagues" should be treated as 3rd tier.

(I know the Pioneers budget and I have a good handle on the average budgets for other PL clubs. Some clubs would be 1/10th of the Pioneers. So if these clubs who spend most of their revenue on junior development how does this improve the pathway if they are not in NBL1 due to cost?)

Just like always has grassroots and local leagues feeds into regional leagues that feeds into state leagues or nbl1north that could feed into NBL that could feed into Europe leagues or American leagues and then feeds into the ultimate league that is the nba.

All that could happen just starting of playing in a small country town club.
don't know about you but that’s exciting to me.

When are we going to see nbl women though?

The current wnbl is pathetic.

Why are we now expected to believe that BV and NBL are so benevolent to champion this change for everyone but themselves. How does this sit with kicking the Pioneers out of the NBL 1 in its first year knowing it could possibly have been the end of the club until Basketball Australia stepped in.

Surely having all the state leagues involved in devising what is best for Australian basketball rather than having just two organisations speculating what is best would be a more inclusive approach to getting buy in and possibly a better solution. As Denis Waitley once said: "You must welcome change as the rule but not as your ruler."

Let's ensure we are not changing for change sake!

That's it John the NBL will need to pay for the nbl1 finals by televised games on sbs full of sponsorship and there dollars.

It will be very similar to what it is now but with a unified banner and with a chance to go from state champs to national champs

please dont give any credit to BA in respect to the pioneers fiasco. they were the cause of the fiasco and far from a saviour as is implied.