I can't imagine it will be out that quickly based on how slow the Big V Move

Be good to see divisions for Mens D1 & SC

is that official then?

No structures have been released from what I could see, so you must be either with the club or within another club

Camberwell has advert for "D1M" tryouts later this month on their Facebook so they seem to have heard they've been promoted.

Odds the leagues are actually released today by the league ..... NO CHANCE

Can confirm Western Port indeed has gone to CM, Corio Bay in D1M as "Corio Bay"

^Anon, how is it you can confirm Corio Bay will be in the BigV next season, can you elaborate?

Big V do have a draft league structure - I've seen it

Cburn YL2 > YL1
Albury looking to enter YL2
Shepparton YL1 or 2 not sure yet
Sunbury might be the only team relegated out of YL1 due to new teams

I'm a youth league guy, so I like to see which new clubs and teams are coming in. I can look again at the doc to see senior teams - its a draft proposal to help with first phase of fixturing its pretty common that this document gets leaked and people think its the real thing

I have not seen any evidence that Corio Bay will enter BigV and I have already posted why I don't believe they will be able to.

Only top 2 not 3 from D2M went up. Mildura stays in D2M, Southern Peninsula and Camberwell up to D1.

RMIT women begin in D2W as well in 2020!

I am happy to stand corrected any time, but what I am saying is that there is a difference between having a team called Corio Bay enter under another Association's support network compared with what we had previously.

If they have them listed, that's not the same as having them actually enter the competition with teams and a support network behind it.

So, my questions are, where is the committee behind this, the finances, the players, coaches, volunteers, venue, etc... Where are these teams coming from?

If you are saying (anon) that the BigV has them on a proposed list, okay so where is the evidence that they can action it according to the BigV's list of requirements and conditions of entry?

If you are saying (anon) that the BigV has them on a proposed list, okay so where is the evidence that they can action it according to the BigV's list of requirements and conditions of entry?

Why would this matter? BigV have bent rules multiple times over the years to allow the comp to continue. Stadiums with less than adequate change rooms, insufficient seating etc.. to name a few items that they have overlooked to keep the wheels turning.

Can someone who has the structure just post it on here so we can all see ...

That's funny anon, I don't believe I am in a bubble, just looking for facts and evidence...

To be clear, what I am reading from the anon posts here is that someone believes GUB may enter two sets of Big V teams in 2020, one wet under United and another under the Stingrays name.

If this is what is proposed, yes the Big V would have to make some concessions, also I don't see why this would be done and to be honest how successful it would be, but if this is the proposal I haven't heard anything about it yet...

Speculation, isn't fact!

Western Port and Sunbury come up into CM
Corio Bay relegated to Div1 (under the name of Corio Bay)

10 teams in CM with 18 games (home/away)
Top 5 playoffs

Shows winning is not everything with WP going to CM only $ count

Shows winning is not everything with WP going to CM only $ count

Geelong/Corio Bay

Division teams stay as Corio Bay, Youth teams are Geelong United

What is the Blackburn story?

The news is out: https://geelongunitedbasketball.com.au/2020-geelong-united-big-v-coaches/?fbclid=IwAR1M2Egebj6HZrEcxhy1kpPTZpRUtjAucLKjXBisbKIzBhwd8PZxYSI6ZvM

Geelong United entering teams in BigV under the old Corio Bay name in seniors and as Geelong United in YL.

Only for 2020, then I believe all will be under the Geelong United banner in 2021.

My thoughts have always been that the BigV is too exclusive and should work with NBL1 to allow any Association to enter wherever they wish and for it to be regulated by being more inclusive and less restricting, it will be interesting to see where this all leads us in years to come...

Anon, I am always happy to stand corrected, once the facts have come out they have supported my thoughts. This is what I have been saying all along. I have been saying that a team wearing Stingrays tops, entered under GUB's players, committee, funding, venue and support network is hardly a Corio Bay BigV team, isn't it?

This appears to serve a purpose which is fine, my beef is with the draconian rules of the BigV and NBL1, not allowing an Association (whoever they are) the flexibility to enter teams into the competition that they can support and which suits the local area!

They have much to improve on...

With tryouts beginning to take place are there words circulating on major local players moving or any word of import shifts/new ones coming in?

With Stith and Tomada leaving McKinnon it is hard to see them being challenger this season.

Other top 4 teams from last season:

Hawthorn:
Ins - Daniel Herbert (Keilor), Trevon Clayton (Hume import 2 year ago)
Outs - Kirksey, O'Sullivan

Casey:
Ins - Jordan Coleman (Hume), ?
Outs: Polk, Hobba, ?

Hume:
Ins - Kirksey (Hawthorn), Import?
Outs: Jeka, Coleman, Shabazz,?

Other teams:

Keilor:
Ins - ???
Outs: Symons, Anderson, Kaba, Herbert, Todd, Triplett

Chelsea:
Ins - Kaba, D'Agostino
Outs - Big import (name?), ?

Blackburn:
Ins - apparently 2 x imports
Outs: Heath, D'Agostino

Werribee:
Ins - ?
Outs - Shepherd, Kulas, Smith, Formosa

What on earth is happening at Keilor?

Chelsea import gone,would that be Colin Voss?or corey

Appears to be male dominated down there.anyone know what's happening on the female side?

Tomada to Knox is the rumour

If ins & outs are correct then Chelsea has done best so far!

Brasser currently playing CBL for Southern Pen. Heard that a return to his Junior club now that they've been elevated to D1 is a strong possibility.

Can confirm both Brasser & Riggs staying at Chelsea for $$$$ so their Big 3 continue with them and Standerfer plus Kaba, Enge, D'Agustino and a couple of others, will there be enough basketballs at the Gulls

Problem with Chelsea is that Corey is so ball dominant. Although he is a solid player at CM level, it limits how good the team could be. Maybe a new coach will change that.

Replacing Voss with Kaba doesn't give them much of an inside presence

Will tell you that brasser is playing Sth Pen summer league then back at Chelsea, getting good $ too. Spoke to Sth Penn who have said they would have announced his signing if he was playing there, but always good to see some forum work!

I agree with post about Brasser playing at Gulls saw him last week coaching junior Gulls so he wouldnt be doing that and playing elsewhere

Chelsea going to be stacked...

Brasser
Riggs
Standerfer (rumour has it he is now local)
Kaba (rumour has it he is now local)
Import
Import
D'Agostino

That is as good as any 7 man rotation in league. Depending on imports, it is as deep as any NBL1 team

Throw in Enge and a couple of others and yes good roster

Word direct from team member (listed above) is that they are getting 2 x imports...

Heard from a good source that Chelsea have the same men's and women’s budget as last year. So much crap on this forum.

776552 I do know but it's not for a public forum full of wankers that have no clue! Suffice to say no one made comment last year and the numbers have not increased.

No import doesn't always mean no American - plenty of guys who have been out here naturalised

I think strong home grown talent or local talent for that matter can make a team bond stronger, it whether the clubs need it to help promote the game in the local area.

Geelong has entered D1 in the BigV before without imports and been very competitive, this isn't new and yes more teams should do it if they can at this level, however a great import is worth while at the right location, horses for courses really...

I have no doubt that Chelsea have the same budget next year,that being $150 large on the men's side,$1 on the ladies.if they don’t wont ladies sides,just say so and get rid of them.the club has a serious problem obviously

If it related to the men's team would of been approved in a heartbeat even if a week late.only one problem if this dude got the job they would have to spend money on the women,which is not allowed

Sounds like some sour grapes going on here about womens team, reckon it is a sour coach/player maybe, I come from a big club and we spend a bit on teams both men & Women but how others do it is up to them, my girlfriends friend played at Gulls and she loved it.

Whittlesea Men seem to have a lost some talent & recruits and a change was needed at the head coach role

Just seen DV YLW is advertised this also seems a little late as most teams have started some form of training by now.

is this a Big V forum or a Chelsea 2020 forum???

What happened to the DV YLW coach? My understanding was that it was the same guy returning from last season, and they held the tryouts back in October. Is his departure connected with Jonno Goodman leaving, or a separate issue?

Safe to say DV have lost the plot
Advertise the role but already appointed another coach as anonymous stated above
What a joke, DV going backwards very quickly

Any other news? Player/coach movement? Upcoming preseason games?

Into December now and haven't heard much since the updated competition structure!

Calling the BigV 'on a downward trend' is very subjective in my opinion. What's changed can also be subjective, depending on what period of time you want to bring to the debate.

What hasn't changed is that the money is often poorly distributed, the fact is that it is one of the few semi-professional sports here that attracts an import or two who get some dollars, often at the expense of locals who may not actually be much less talented in some cases.

The problem with the BigV, and it always has been, is the incentive for talented locals to stay in the game after turning say 20-23 years of age...

Imports can and will also always draw people to a game regardless if they are more or less talented and at times can also earn $ in sponsorship so become a huge bonus to clubs than local talent, though I agree local players are just as good skill wise and less hassle (visas accommodation etc). Big V I agree have way too many leagues and teams to control but it is a great concept with people working hard to make it work they just need to condense and make it more like years ago, you had to show financials, domestic, junior rep, courts in good condition (change rooms, ref room etc) then we get elite.

Been yelling this for a while

We don't need YL2

We could almost do away with Div 2 and make it just Div 1/ Div 2 roll everyone in together.

YL takes talent away from senior teams and spreads the league too think - Div 2 womens comp has a lot of teams that just stink and should go play midweek domestic, and div 2 mens lacks real talent as the young guys that would fill this league in the past play YL instead.

Stop letting everyone in, reduce the leagues to help with sponsorship.

But Big V is an outlet for Pros/Ams and Semi-Pros to play basketball and the size of it says there are people out there that want to be involved and want to play regardless of the quality - the NBL1 is stealing talent issue isn't one THEY SHOULD BE! its the next tier up!

Agree with a bit of the Personal Foul. Think YL2 needs to go. With regards to Div2 though , it either needs to stay as is, or be disbanded. Combining D2 with D1, will show a massive gap between the top end of D1 and the bottom end of D2 playing in the same league. Even bigger blowouts would take place.

10-15 Years ago there were a lot less teams, spots had to be earned a lot more and there was more of a sense of achievement in making a team.
These days, there is certainly more teams than quality players, I know D1 teams that have to chase players to fill rosters, as opposed to teams cutting away players as I mentioned above.

I mentioned in another post when discussing this, that I think Big V should do what NBL1 did, set their parameters for the different levels, how many teams, requirements etc, then open them up to licencing, as NBL1 did. Those clubs that miss out, would then need to get their house in order to join.

Lol Brian didn't leave because of lack of players. He walked out of contract meeting and told them to "keep their money" after it was docked due to being relegated. He is still the director of coaching though.

Last I heard he was still DOC with Damon Lowery

If I'm completely honest half of the executive committee and championship committee think he is a messiah and the man does talk a good game.

Whittlesea falling apart has played into the hands of RMIT recruitment thats for sure. RMIT bashing was do we REALLY need another team in that region, but from the sounds of it we do!!

No news out of Whittlesea yet on who will coach their D2 men. Des Radoslavic was talking about applying.
Damon lowery also cut the u21 girls program which had 7 players, now allowing them to find one before comp starting n in Feb.
5 players also left u21 boys after team announced causing that team to fold also.

Des is a good coach - he is at Westgate Basketball coaching U21s and would be worth giving it too, didn't coach there before???

New coach new team i would guess. Will be interesting to see as they had what would have to be considered a successful season considering the lack of big v experience on their roster and starting the first 5 games without coffey

Jeff Sparrow. - Runs a skills development program in the states called point blank period

I think RMIT will be a top 4 team in D2M this year.

Anyone have any picks for divisions?

Bold call with RMIT winning D2M. Also Southern Pen didn't re-sign Manassa from what I'm hearing so I wouldn't expect them to jump up and win right away?

^^While I tend to agree some clubs overpay/over-rely on import(s) that don't pan out, if you look at every single club that was in the grand final facing each other last year in every single division... they were there 100% because of their import(s).

I've heard the same about D1M not having a lot of imports this year including Corio, Southern Pen, Bellarine but I'd say let's see how it pans out and good luck to them, hope they don't regret it.

Only one team can ever win the competition, so there are many things to consider, not just the championship, if you only focus on this you are missing many opportunities to succeed as a club...

Quick question and an honest one (not trying to start a big debate or anything) but when is the last time a club without an import won the championship and what division was it?

Did Coburg sign an import into D1M last season to help make the jump? Or struggled with the same group of locals that won d2m in 2018?

Was gonna say... Blackburn can lose as few games as they want, they didn't make the grand final with no import either year.

Melbourne Uni were loaded with local talent though. Scott Cuffe, Liam Norton and Masunda to name a few. Tough group.

Is McKinnon as big of a lock to win Champ this year as they were last?

Who are tops in D1??

Camberwell had Max Barkerley

Camberwell had Barkeley who is an import

Both Southern Pen and Camberwell promoted to D1 and both going with no import now? Haven't heard anything from either of them about re-signing their top guy

Speaking of Keilor, what's the go with them? Glascott coaching, imports? Haven't heard much besides the talk of them looking to hire a new coach and losing a lot of players??

No news out of Whittlesea about coach. But they did announce a men's import

Patton if he can stay on the court will dominate this league...only problem as teams will just double/triple team him as the rest of the roster will stink!

I wouldn't be writing off Blackburn just yet. Experienced coach who has done well in Big V previously when coaching McKinnon

I wouldn't be writing off Blackburn just yet. Experienced coach who has done well in Big V previously when coaching McKinnon

A lot of noise around the roster Chelsea are putting together.

Standerford
Kaba
Import
Import
Brasser
Riggs
Dagostino (from Blackburn)
Calvin Enge

That team would be highly competitive in NBL1

Anonymous, if Chelsea get that team on court with two additional imports of some quality, yes agree they are a lock for the final and would likely deserve to be considered top seeds for BigV at this point in time...

Lankford is at SEM doing what I'm not sure something around development was mentioned. Lankford didn't coach last season either.

Always tough when you got 1 stud and a not a good 2nd scorer in these leagues easy for teams to double team, but a angry fit patton is a scary scouting assignment for any team.

Standerfer the only import at Chelsea.

Patton will need help as he doesn't have any real port moves other than just being a big unit so easy to double as he doesn't pass out of it effectively accept to one certain spot on the floor so easy to double and deny that pass he likes. (Good coaches will pick this up if you watched any of the SEABL games he played)

If they get good shooters and a creator around him then its a massive get but if you think he'll win you games without any help you are mistaken.

It definitely reads like McKinnon have signed 3 restricted players, but one is Kiwi so likely qualifies as a local

Plenty of editing done to the original article and it's title, but now reads as 2 imports and a NZ citizen joining McKinnon.

makes sense. Was a bit confusing with article coming out from competition governing body basically saying the team was breaking rules...

The 2 x new imports for McKinnon look reasonably impressive but I think they will find it hard to produce the same results as Stith and Williams.

The biggest lose though will be Tomada. He was the difference in a lot of games. (ie imports basically cancel each other out with production)

The NZ big guy will be interesting. He is quite young so will see how he goes.

Is Boyle still playing for them?

Any practice games going on? Predictions for divisions?

Not sure of any practice games but does anyone know of rosters and player movement, McKinnon will again have a pretty good roster, who is Werribee going with as I heard both imports are not coming back and also lost Formosa, Hume picking up Kirksey is great addition, Casey has lost a few I heard, Polk, Macauley a couple more but picked up Coleman. Keilor seems most have gone while Chelsea have been very active with Kaba, D'Agustino, Tito & Enge, are they just sticking with Standerfer as lone import?

This is what I have heard so far...

Blackburn:
Ins - apparently 2 x imports, Chris Patton
Outs: Heath, D'Agostino

Casey:
Ins - Jordan Coleman (ex Hume), ?
Outs: Polk, Hobba?, Macaulay

Chelsea:
Ins - Kaba, D'Agostino, Calvin Enge (ex keysbourgh)
Outs - Big Import(name?), ?

Hawthorn:
Ins - Daniel Herbert (ex Keilor), Trevon Clayton (Hume import 2 year ago)
Outs - Kirksey, O'Sullivan

Hume:
Ins - Kirksey (Hawthorn), Leland King (Import), Joel Rimes (ex DV), Lukas Kafritas (ex DV), Liam Killey (ex DV)
Outs: Jeka, Coleman, Shabazz

Keilor:
Ins - ???
Outs: Symons, Anderson, Kaba, Herbert, Todd, Triplett, Sapatolis

Werribee:
Ins - Aaron Harrison( Latrobe import), ?
Outs - Shepherd, Kulas, Smith, Formosa

Anything from D1?

Does Casey just get old players and think big names will win, what is happening to junior development?

Deng Acuoth the other to Keilor?

Good to see all the money from Keilors booming junior comps being put to good use.

Watched games at GESAC and Waverly should have and did beat all, though I saw last half of game v Chelsea and Gulls outscored Falcons easily, they look ok for CM some big guns in the line up. McKinnon will be good again know problems though Sunbury may struggle.

Final fixture have been sent to the clubs. Should be online in next couple days

Did Chelsea and McKinnon have their Imports playing?

Have Chelsea ended up with Standerfer, Kaba + 2 Imports?

The results aren't that important but the roster makeups are

So Kaba is playing at Chelsea as a local?
He is 100% there so not sure they going with 1 import

Always interesting to see a higher level division team play a lower division team.
Although it is only a practice game, the higher level players are likely to 'drop' in their intensity and the lower teams will come out with something to prove.

Camberwell lost to Blackburn
Chelsea and McKinnon lost to Waverley a few weeks ago

Pledger is a massive unit so will be a huge handful.

Dillon will go well and cruise all year and dominate come finals.

Kielor with these two should be early fave's unless someone had hit an a massive stud import!

Not sure Pledger will be a dominant as one may think. How many games will he actually play with injuries and MU commitments?
Being one of the biggest guys who will he matchup on? I agree he will be a handful to guard but a double/triple team will get it out of his hands and not sure Keilor has loaded with shooters.

Daniels should be one of the better guards in league.

If Keillor don't have great shooters it might be more O boards for the big man as well!

Certainly rather have Pledger than not as most teams simply won't have the size to compete on the Glass with him....also in terms of match up's he'll just drop and guard space on the on balls and protect the rim/change alot of shots, Big V guards aren't exactly Chris Paul so won't be ale to drag him away from the rim.

Definitely will be interesting how he goes. I'm leaning toward him being dominant.

Not sure I agree that BigV guards aren't shooters, if anything it is a shooters league, players that made more than 40 x 3s:
Player Name Team 3PM 3PA 3P%
Matthew Donlan Cavaliers 88 194 45.36
Eric Williams Cougars 84 206 40.78
Jake Heath Vikings 78 193 40.41
Ryan Bennett Vikings 75 182 41.21
David Shepard Devils 74 188 39.36
Mitchell Riggs Gulls 71 174 40.8
Matthew Brasser Gulls 67 164 40.85
Jake Martin Broncos 62 159 38.99
Shaun Prendergast Broncos 61 145 42.07
Adrian Tomada Cougars 56 146 38.36
James Malvaso Cougars 56 149 37.58
Michael Mcinnes Cavaliers 54 147 36.73
Corey Standerfer Gulls 54 159 33.96
Jack Barry Magic 54 178 30.34
Dane Bow Stingrays 51 127 40.16
Michael Anderson Thunder 51 130 39.23
Nelson Kirksey Magic 45 139 32.37
Daniaell Herbert Thunder 44 102 43.14
Kirk Smith Magic 43 98 43.88
Lee Jeka Broncos 40 124 32.26

Mate its simple chase them off the line and you give those guys long 2's all day and protecting the rim with big Pledger.

No one going at Pledger so easy buckets at the rim will be hard to come by.

Yeah ok, if only it was that simple.

^^Camberwell was without 3 of their starters including their import Barkley

2018 Big V is alot different to 2020 big V -

Apparently Chelsea CM beat Bulleen (minus import) by about 50

Keilor v Hume on Thursday

Barkeley is the same import from Camberwell last year if I'm not mistaken. They’ve just moved up this year

From the rumours and discussions to date, my picks for CM are:

1 - Chelsea
2 - Hume
3 - Casey
4 - Keilor
5 - Hawthorn
6 - McKinnon
7 - Blackburn
8 - Sunbury
9 - Western Port
10 - Wyndham

Thoughts?

If a team hits on a stud import they win it.

Pretty weak comp this year

Casey - Polk and Macaulay out. Jordan Coleman, Ben Waterhouse in.
Very small, a lot of pressure on Hobba to provide minutes in the 4/5 spot.
Combo of Polk/Lemons was tough

Chelsea - Standerfor, Kaba, Riggs, Brasser, Dagostino, + 2 x imports (if rumours correct)
If there are no imports coming, then this is a downgrade on last season and they will struggle.
If 2 (or even 1) quality import is added then they are very deep and will be contender

Keilor - Daniels, Pledger, Spencer, Kelleher, Bellman, Long, Xavier Blount, +import
If Pledger does play and is injury free etc, then they are a contender
If no Pledger then a similar team in skill from last year. Anderson and Symons are big losses but Blount should be good and new import

Hume - Kirksey, King, Martin, Puondak, Prendergast, Rimes, Mahboobi
A lot depends on King. Kirksey is a slight upgrade in one import position. If King performs well then they will be tough. Mahboobi should be better in his second year of men and Rimes will add some versatility

Hawthorn - Sist, Barry, Bogart-King, McBreaty, Clayton, +import
Adding Clayton is interesting signing. He sat out last season. Avg 16pts and 13rbds the year before. So they lose a handful of points from Kirksey. Second import will carry a big scoring load

Blackburn - 2 x imports, Chris Patton, ???
If they get quality imports in addition to Patton then they will be mid pack. Losing Heath and Dagostino are huge losses.
What pieces they put around the 'Big 3' will see how much of contender they are

I guess time will tell on who is where.

The biggest impacts on teams if a player is there or not are, or who they add:
Keilor - BJ Symons, Alex Pledger
Chelsea - 2 x imports (in addition to Standerfor and Kaba)
Blackburn - do they have 2 x imports in addition to Patton
Hume - Is King the real deal
Hawthorn - Who is 2nd import
McKinnon - Can new imports replace Stith/Williams/Tomada
Sunbury - Who is 2nd import
Western Port - Who are imports
Wyndham - can imports replace 2 x Allstars
Casey - Is losing Polk going to be offset by adding guards

Casey - Coleman, Lemons, Donlan= new big 3 at Casey. Small lineup but more athletic and more scoring power than last year. Waterhouse a good add as well. Can see this team really being a fast running team. A lot more 3 power than last year. Will need someone to help Lemons with rebounds and defending the post.

Chelsea - Standerfor, Kaba, Riggs, Brasser, Dagostino...no imports from what I'm hearing. This team is always starting 5 good but lack bench depth. Can see this team being a high scoring team that will focus very little on defense. A lot of ball needy guys only 1 ball. If they can find way to make it work they will be very dangerous team.

Hawthorn - Sist, Barry, Bogart-King, McBreaty, Clayton, +import
Adding Clayton is interesting signing as he is not a high scorer. Where will majority of their scoring come from? Better hope second import is a stud. Barry will have to step his game up from last seasons form. Will hope Sist can continue from where he left last season off.


Blackburn - Konor Kulas, Chris Patton, Ryan vines, Second import?
Interesting to see how kulas and Patton will work. Top 3 players this year better than last year top 3. Will need a second import. But will be better this year than last. Expect middle of the pack.

Hume - Kirksey, King, Martin, Puondak, Prendergast, Rimes, Mahboobi
King will need to be all the goods. Kirksey will be his normal self. With no jeka this year they will also need more from their guards. Puondak will have to continue off from where he left off last season. Could be a top 4 team.

Keilor - Dillion?, Pledger?Spencer, Kelleher, Bellman, Long, Xavier Blount, +import
A lot of ? With this team. Is pledger signed? Will he actually play full season? If he is signed and plays. Great inside presence although he won’t be able to guard any of the agile and athletic bigs. Blount is a good pick up for them. Always strong with numbers in D1M.

McKinnon- Jordan Swoopshire, JT Terrell, Troy Temara, ???
Massive loss with Stith and Tomada moving on. Will have to hope the new big 3 for them can cover the loss. Outside of the big 3 a lot of question marks on talent. Expect middle of the pack.

Casey - Issue could be that Coleman, Donlan, Mcinnes, Waterhouse, Parker all player the 2/3 spot. Maybe they small ball??

Chelsea - Kaba is a downgrade on Voss who averaged 19&10. Kaba may get close to 19 but he will get about 5 rebounds

Hawthorn - get smaller with Clayton. Kirksey not only scored 20+ a game, he also was their best defender. Also lose O'Sullivan who was a solid role player

Blackburn - Kulas in Malta which doesn't finish till April. They will be hoping he is released a lot earlier. Addition of Patton and Vines will not offset lose of Heath and Dagostino if Kulas is a late arrival.

Hume - Quick google of King has him averaging 16 & 10 for UCSB D1 which is more than most imports that come over. He was also recently drafted in NBA G League. Covering Jeka lose is probably their biggest concern

Keilor - Imploded last year with talented roster and same coach. Lost a couple of talented juniors and have added more old legs. May be an interesting team to watch.

McKinnon - word is that imports already causing issues. Not possible to cover the contribution that Stith/Williams/Tomada had with 70pts/25rbs/12ast/4st

Western Port - Stone will be solid import. Naaman will struggle 10 pts / 10 rbds in D1 last year

Wyndham - Lost Kulas and Shepherd. #1 and #2 in scoring last season. Also lost Levi Smith and Formosa.

Sunbury - Sanders should be solid in CM, have they recruited to surround him?

CM - Hawthorn
Spoon - Westernport

D1M - Warrandyte
Spoon - Keysborough

D2M - RMIT
Spoon - Mornington

So Southern Pen wins D2M and then loses the best player in the league and the league MVP but they'll step into D1M and win the flag? Camberwell gets promoted after losing in the GF to said Southern Pen team and returns the same side including the import but they’re the spoon? Interesting...

Also RMIT will absolutely be a finals team this year in D2M

lol!

Hume and Keilor played last Thursday.

Looks like both teams were without a few players (Keilor missing Pledger?, Daniels?, Keleher, Import? and Hume missing Mahboobi, Martin, Rimes, Killey)

Altho it looked like Keilor has a 2nd import guard, in addition to Blount.

Fairly scrappy both ways. Keilor won by about 10 in the end.

Hume looked underdone and their import King was average. Looked lost but probably only just got in country.

The biggest news out of this game is that BJ was still at Keilor... Confirmed at last

Has Keysie ever been close, seriously!

Ah yes, the annual "Altona to win easily" post. Then they win 2-5 games for the year. Must be close to round 1!

^^^ I'll believe that when I see it and even if it is D2M we’re talking about, Kimble is so mediocre, always has been.

Fair enough then. Formosa indeed will be fantastic if he's there. But probably not enough to guarantee the flag. Who knows!

Why would Formosa leave SCM to play D2?

CASH^^^

Saw Chelsea play, they are not overly tall but wow they have big guys on their team, lot a blokes are filling the power forward role and some massive outside shooters. Will be a threat!

Any scores from the last stretch of preseason games? I've seen a lot of posts about them happening but haven’t heard any scores

Coburg YL2W def Melton YL2W
Warrandyte YL1M def Coburg YL2M
Coburg D2W def Melb Uni D1W

Hume beat Sunbury by mid 20s. Going to be a long year for Sunbury by looks of things

Keilor Champ Women def Sherbrooke D2 women comfortably.

If the girl wearing number 9 for Keilor thinks she can get away with kicking people with just a flopping warning like she did today then she might be on a plane home pretty quick!!

Not sure. I left at quarter time.

@Anon don't take much away from preseason games...Hawks are a pretty poor NBL1 team and you'l think Casey will be a better performer in Big V

I was at the Casey Game. They lost by 14 at Casey, Ringwood had 8 players and i think 2 were Youth League.

Casey line up is a bit odd. Small ball can be effective but what happens if Lemons is in foul trouble or injured?

It goes from small ball to even smaller ball. Given Coleman is 6'5, Donlan is 6'7, Louis is 6'4 but none of them play inside.

Really surprised that they didn't replace Polk with another big

Casey will struggle with Lemons in foul trouble. His offensive and defensive output unmatched.

If lemons can remain out of foul trouble Casey will have the highest scoring output this season along with Chelsea.

Really interested to see how teams match up against the starting 5 lineups of Casey and Chelsea this season.

I would be surprised to see Pledger play anywhere apart from Geelong or in NZ

Champ Men Predictions

Hawthorn beat Westernport
Chelsea beat Sunbury
Hume beat Casey (Game of the Round for me)
McKinnon beat Keilor
Blackburn beat Wyndham

Champ Women Predictions
Southern Pen to beat Sunbury
Casey to beat Hume
Wyndham to beat Whittlesea
Keilor to beat Hawthorn (Game of the Round for me)
McKinnon to beat Bulleen

From BB:
Champ Men Predictions
Hawthorn beat Westernport
Chelsea beat Sunbury
Hume beat Casey (Game of the Round for me)
McKinnon beat Keilor
Blackburn beat Wyndham

Solid predictions. I'm not sure who has there full roster ready for round 1.
My picks are:
Hawthorn beat Westernport - Magic have largely same nucleus who have played for multi years together.
Chelsea beat Sunbury - Chelsea will just have too much talent
Casey beat Hume - Hume have half their team as new guys. Casey have Luis/Donlan/Hobba/Lemons/McInnes/Parker returning so will likely be more in sync
Keilor beat McKinnon - Keilor more talent and experience. Will Pledger debut for Thunder?
Wyndham beat Blackburn - Kulas not here for Blackburn. Have they got another import? *This assumes both imports here for Wyndham

Additionally, predictions for D1M as well?

Camberwell vs. Shepparton
Southern Pen vs. Collingwood
Bulleen vs. Warrnambool
Keysborough vs. Coburg
Warrandyte vs. Melb Uni
Corio Bay/Geelong Utd vs.Bellarine

Predictions:h

Hawthorn beat Westernport - westernport roster not up to scratch.

Chelsea beat Sunbury - Chelsea too much talent and scoring power. Sunbury just not enough talent and will struggle entire season.

Casey beat Hume - Casey have a lot continuity from previous season and have too much scoring power.

Keilor beat McKinnon - rumblings of troubles with McKinnon imports. McKinnon will struggle adjusting to playing without stith/tomada combo.

Wyndham beat Blackburn - no kulas for another month. No word on if a second import was signed. Patton not enough to get wins.

From: Anonymous
Yesterday

Additionally, predictions for D1M as well?

Camberwell vs. Shepparton - Shepparton I would think would be a little too strong for Camberwell coming up from D2M

Southern Pen vs. Collingwood - Could be a close one but I think Southern Peninsula will be coming in very prepared for this one.

Bulleen vs. Warrnambool - From what I have heard, Warrnambool are a very young team. Bulleen to win.

Keysborough vs. Coburg - Keysborough and Platenik to be too strong.

Warrandyte vs. Melb Uni - Warrandyte comfortably. I think Melb Uni might struggle this season.

Corio Bay/Geelong Utd vs.Bellarine - Haven't heard much but I think Geelong will be stronger than Bellarine.

Thanks Eric^

Miraflores or Tankov, who has the most jersey's?

Really?

Will be interesting to see what final rosters look like vs what was rumoured. My prediction (same as others...) is:

- Keilor - No Pledger or Daniels
- Chelsea - No additional imports, Kaba and Standefer will play those roles
- Blackburn - Kulas & Patton will not play in same team (Patton to get frustrated and injured before Kulas arrives)

Wyndham favourites, McKinnon and Keilor will be up there in the women's

Both years kulas never made finals.

Both years kulas never made finals.

I doubt there was much effort put into the scout against Werribee.

Kulas is a good player in CM, but Stith was elite last season.

So many angles to consider when comparing...

How would Stith go with the ultimate green light and knowing that he had to carry at least 50% of scoring load (like Kulas did)

Or how does Kulas go without reduced touches and playing in more of a team concept?

The comparison between Kulas and Stith started as a poster had said Kulas was best import in BigV the last couple years.

Without seeing some of this years imports, my view on who is the best import in CM this year is:

- Nelson Kirksey: previous league MVP, plays both sides of ball
- Raheem Lemons: will have his work cut for him but will put up big numbers
- Corey Standefer: solid as always

Any rumblings on Big V going ahead? Training seems like it could actually be right around the corner and with MP Andrews pub, cafe restrictions being eased and footy starting back up... anyone heard what any of the plans could be for Big V?

All levels of Soccer competition to return by June 20 in Victoria.

Will this mean a return to basketball will be not far off?

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/basketball/basketball-victoria-eyes-july-13-return-for-local-hoops-20200524-p54vy4.html

Looking at mid-July for Big V

A couple of things:

'Basketball Victoria also still hopes to run a shortened Victorian Junior Basketball Leagues season for Friday night representative players, while it hasn't ruled out running some form of Big V state league season - but only after local games return.'

This feels that BigV would be quite some time after mid-July if local and VJBL are first. If it gets into August then it would be questionable if it is worth a BigV season.

Also, am I missing something with the jump ball??? what is the concern with this? surely the contact on rebounds, screens, loose balls etc would be more of a concern?