Central Districts won SA champs not North Adelaide.

Melbourne

Mckinnon boys hit with injuries. Too bad as they were in with a chance.

Mckinnon boys hit with injuries. Too bad as they were in with a chance.

Ranking for this were done off ranking for State Champs where Centrals won. North are so over rated. Great when going well and terrible when things get tough. Hawthorn are good in both girls and boys but Melbourne a chance in girls. Cant see ant teams from Sa medalling

Forestville girls from SA will finish top 8, other SA teams North and Sturt 8-16 bracket.

Sturt will be closer to 16 than 9 finish and North around 12. Forestville 7th / 8th.

Thanks Mum and Dad

Nostraballmus like Shaggy says it wasn't me

Word from coaches at Technical Meeting tonight, games will be livestreamed on the BA YouTube Channel

"How many vic metro state reps go on to higher levels after juniors though?"

More than any other state by a mile is how many

'05/06 Aussie team should be good (next u15 oceania, u16 Asia, u17 WC)'

Thanks Anon. Nostraballmus is interested and asks what do you mean by 'good'? Win medals at World's ? You've obviously seen the 05/06 Spaniard, French, USA, Serbian, Argentinian cohorts then ? This is the basis of your comparison right ? What is it about our cohort that is 'good' in comparison to them ? Or do you mean 'good' in comparison to previous Australian cohorts ? Why is this group better in comparison to say, for example, the forgotten '01' cohort ? Please tell Nostraballmus more.

Is your kid in the group ? Maybe that will make them 'good' ? I do hope you are right.

Nostraballmus appreciates the informed musings of the above posters.

"I just disagree with the notion that you can project the medium- or long-term success of kids this age. Nostraballmus agrees with this disagreement.

Nostraballmus adds the the biggest determinant of 'good' at this age is always and simply physical development and maturity in comparison to peers. So it don't tell ya anything. Even 'smalls' who might 'dominate' at this age group are advanced physically (strength, power) to their peers if not tall.

OK then, great Ballmus, tell me, what should our national talent ident programme look like ?

1) Over 6 foot 4
2) Can run, jump
3) Does stuff for others
4) Able to learn to shoot the sh*t out of it

Ballmus suggests we try this for the 05/06 cohort and they might get 'good' enough to win an Olympic medal in 2032

???

Ballmus says assuming the top scorer keeps playing the round bouncing ball. Nostraballmus fortells that crocs from varied oval balls will be circling if they haven't struck already

Under 14 Basketball gives absolutely no indication as to potential future stars. The best teams simply have the most mature players. Men vs Boys literally.
Perfect example is the Melbourne Tigers Boys from 2010. It could be argued that they were one of the best teams ever to compete at the U14 Club Nationals. 7 of their 10 players played for a Vic Metro team. These guys are turning 22 this year and if they were going to be good they should be making their mark now.
The was only one who went on to play at a high level and he quit to play AFL. Most of the others quit as the rest of the competition matured over time and it all became too hard for them.
The best teams at this competition have an unfair physical advantage and in most cases the superstars in under 14s disappear over the next 3 to 4 years.
Very few of them understand what it takes to succeed and as such they do not develop a work ethic. This is because they don't need to as their physical strength by itself allows them to win.
Those that do make it understand that they have to work as rest of the competition matures and the playing field levels out. They are very rare.

747, Nostraballmus says check this list of household names (bar one)

Top Scorers 14's Nationals Boys

2011
Isaac White
Joshua Hannon
Cooper Hamilton
Filbeth Abonga
Jason Go
Lachlan Rennie
Edward Warrington
Jakob Shaw
Andrew Panayioutou
Stuart Lade
Gabe Hadley
Jhdara Jones
Nikolas Desantis

2010
Darcy Crocker
Shaun Pritchard
Kyle Clark
Zachary Kilby
Abi Akintola
Dennis Maluto
Michael D'Agostino
Blake Hardwick
Rhys Mackean
Stanley Jnr Morris

2008
Samuel Johns
Michael Luxford
Mirko Djeric
Jack Mackenzie
Dylan Hogarty-Doyle
Brendan Little
Dante Exum
Keelan Ward
William Soonalole
Zak Pantelis

QLD guaranteed at least one medal in the boys with both Northside and Southern Districts getting into the Semis in the boys

@Nostraballmus

That is a very telling list indeed. Nice one.

I wasn't far off with my SA team predictions

BA has said they will be in Victoria again as they want them to be held with boys and girls together at one venue as has been the case for the last few years. With that in mind your candidates would be Geelong, Werribee or even a Bendigo if they keep with the regional theme.

The gold medal match was an absolute cracker. The lads on both teams did a great job.

Been told by someone from BA directly, they will stay in Victoria 100% but there was absolutely no long term deal done with Ballarat. Multiple associations in both Vic Metro and Country have submitted EOI to host next year. Same person advised that 16s will be heading west.

I think any area that has invested in a new stadium and / or infrastructure should put their hand up for a national tournament.

Where is the accommodation in Werribee to house 48 teams plus supporters?! Most will have to stay in the western suburbs or in geelong, in which case given their new stadium along with the arena just up the road, as well as corio bay as a training facility, then it would be far more logical for Greater Geelong Basketball to host next year rather than middle of nowhere with zero accommodation Werribee

For mine the options are Geelong, Bendigo or Albury-Wodonga

Sorry but Alb-Wod is not an option in terms of infrastructure needed to host boys and girls 14s. Aside from the fact it's a further couple of grand to get to travel wise for interstate teams as well as both facilities are showing their age, then it shouldn't be considered compared to some of the better options we have in this state of ours. I say it either has to be Bendigo or Geelong, with Bendigo getting my vote given they had school sport nationals there this year and have proven they can hold a tournament of that magnitude both on and off the court.

How do you know this when it hasn't been announced formally by BA. The only venue they've announced is Canberra for 20s. And if that is the case then surely other states should get to host 16s and 14s then not just Vic centric mentality because BA are based there

2020 Nationals

20s - ACT
18s - VIC
16s - WA (Confirmed its either Joondalup or Warwick - Maybe someone in the west can confirm)
14s - QLD / SA / NSW / TAS

Have heard Mackay pop up a few times for the 14s Boys. Candlestick Park could only hold three courts in a nationals format setup so would that mean another QLD assoc gets girls then?

Apologies Anonymous, my post was not meant to insinuate that you have to have a shiny new stadium to host an AJC, far from it! Mine was more in regards to court space in terms of being able to host the 14s Tournament in one location which BA obviously prefer to do in recent years - so at a minimum you would need a 10 court stadium to run five courts with adequate seating etc. With that in mind, the only stadiums I could think of would be Geelong and Bendigo that have adequate accommodation infrastructure as well but given that Ballarat has just been awarded 18s next year, as you so eloquently put it one would hope that BA are indeed sharing it around and maybe for 2020 they have to have the 14s at separate locations.

Hate to break it to all you inferior interstaters but the U14 Nationals are staying in VIC. To go with BA's new model of sites hosting for two years in a row, expect an announcement soon that Geelong United have been awarded the tender to host the boys and girls club nationals for 2020 & 2021. As mentioned in an earlier post, games to be split between AWA Stadium and Geelong Arena with Corio Bay to be used as a training facility.

Ridiculous if true. QLD, SA and WA teams pay 25-30k per team atm to travel to club champs. BA need to think more than just about looking after their own 'home state' associations and share their NATIONAL Championships around all states for all ages. Five years in a row it has not left VIC - Either make U14 Club Champs a truly national event again BA or find staff who will.

Given it is fairly well known now that 16s will be at Warwick (WA) and 14s will be at Geelong (VIC), why doesn't BA just come out and make it official already.

If Casey is true then that is nuts. It is hard enough to find group accommodation for five or six teams in the South East, now you expect 32 teams plus supporters to be able to find sufficient accommodation within 20km. I am glad I am from here as I imagine the backlash from interstate teams once they figure out how isolated the stadium is in terms of accommodation, will be very strong and consistent from travelling teams

We've heard Geelong, Casey and Mackay. The latter is probably the far likely out of the three venues unless it is just for boys or girls. It is somewhat interesting that BA have not come out and said the venue given they have announced the others for this year, makes you wonder if there have been some issues with associations who have been shortlisted

That should have read 'least likely'

Mackay is not viable. Two Courts on one side of the stadium including the showcourt, three on the other with limited seating. Basketball Australia have also said they would prefer U14 Club Champs to be in Victoria. It will be out of Geelong or Casey and if there is any sense in the world in terms of infrastructure and proximity of amenities, the choice should only be Geelong. Sure the kidlettes will freeze down on the Bay, but it is far better than having to drive 45 mins after each game only to stay in Frankston.

Word direct from members of their board, expect Casey to be named as the 2020 & 2021 U14 Club Champs Hosts within the next two weeks. Plenty of accommodation options nearby despite what others claim on here.

As a potential coach at this tournament this year, it is worrying that despite all of the rumours that nothing has officially been announced yet. Why the delay

It is fairly common knowledge around the association [Casey] that we have been selected as the U14 Host Association for the next two years [2020 and 2021]. No idea why it has not been made public as yet but it is definitely a done deal.

Has this tournament been taken off the Nationals calendar? No word of a venue for 2020 and no update on website since the 2019 Finals. Could this be the end of Club Champs?

The strength of basketball in the US derives from fanatical grass roots support for local teams featuring local athletes playing other communities across the nation. Is it not that the standard of basketball is all that high, is the extent to which local supporters are vested in their local club that makes the contest exciting.
The Aust U14 club champs is a tournament that has those elements - in what other sport can you get else Frankston playing Bankstown; or Manly playing Norwood; or Forrestville playing Willetin? The matchups are endless; and for many kids - taking place before studies gets too serious - it could represent their peak team sporting experience. I am a little surprised that the event does not receive more sponsorship interest.

At this point and time I think if you are one of the teams who will have a chance of qualifying for the tournament, you would not care which state is in so long as Basketball Australia just announce a venue to prove it is indeed happening!

Anon 987 We are blessed with a number of great tournaments that you mentioned. Of this list, the Queens Birthday weekend Classic is - IMO - the most significant.

My perspective to ask what event will generate broad interest of a local community - like Coffs Harbour or Taree - BEYOND close relatives of the players involved.

For this i would argue the tournament needs focus and a simplicity, which we see in the U14 club champs. One division, one age group. Having 4 age groups, with - sometimes - multiple divisions (A, A reserve, B etc) , presents as a wash.

Put yourself in the position of a local newspaper editor - particularly one located in a country town - how saleable is the story?

Anon - your instinct is to value youth participation in our great game. I agree.

This is a worthy goal that needs to be backed and IS backed by the design of the tournaments you mention.

I am just saying I think there is a benefit to the game - within a busy competitive calendar full of tournaments of the type you mention - that stands a better chance of focusing broader community interest.

I tend to agree with Red. Given that the National Classics dont have teams from the west involved, for whatever reason, then Club Champs are the only opportunity for our youngest representative players to play each other in a club v club format. We in SA love club champs as the competition to just qualify for the tournament, let alone the tournament itself and the new friendships made by players and coaches alike, are more than enough of a reason for the tournament to remain. Whilst nothing official has come out of Basketball Australia that the tournament has been cancelled, the clear lack of communication given all other venues have been announced and in years past it was common for the following years venue to be announced within a week or two of the completion of the tournament, if not at the closing ceremony, it definitely does not bode well that our national governing body are quieter than the proverbial mouse in relation to club champs. It really would be a devastating blow to junior development and club pride if it was to be removed from the Nationals circuit.

But again nothing aside from hearsay has said that Casey have actually been selected as host for the next two years. I would hope it has not been cancelled but the longer we do not hear anything, the longer the question needs to be asked.

So we should get rid of a quality tournament which allows 80% of its participants the chance to play at a National Championships which they otherwise wouldn't do, all because of its time of the year and that clubs are accused of stacking teams. You just sound like some jaded parent who couldn't swallow the fact that little johhny / jenny and her cronies weren't good enough to qualify. Suck it up princess. 14s is probably the most worthwhile out of all of the Nationals as it prepares kids for 16s, allows kids to represent their clubs and also is the most relaxed atmosphere off court than the older national champs. If we were to abolish any of the nationals tournaments, then surely 20s has to go. If you're not in NBL1 or similar by the time you are 18 / 19, or off to college already - maybe basketball isn't your future. How many 'stars' have gone onto great things from attending 20s. And who wants to attend a tournament which is in the middle of summer and even worse if held in WA or NT given their climate.

#787037 - WA clubs don't attend Classics due to their season already being on over that weekend and from what my friends over there tell me, Basketball WA do not have any plans to change the fixturing for their clubs to attend.

In terms of 14s, BA has always named venues in the previous calendar year. The fact they haven't does give some merit to the theory that club champs is indeed not a guarantee from now on. Hopefully we have some answers soon, I am sure the local powerhouses like Norwood, Norths & Forestville will be awaiting some kind of news thats for sure.

Whilst its great to get all this input and feedback regarding the different tournaments, today's refreshment of this topic highlighted the very valid point that those in charge at BA of Nationals Champs are either twiddling their thumbs ahead of U20s in the nations capital next month, or the simple fact that we have indeed lost the 14s Club Champs from the schedule. We need and deserve answers to when will we be told where it will be held, or if it has been cancelled then why?

14s are no longer supported by the High Performance staff of the majority of state bodies, as those governing bodies make no money from club champs. It's been coming for a while but make no mistake about it, BA will be announcing that U14 Club Champs will be discontinued from 2020

Alot of blowup over literally nothing. If BA haven't said anything by now then you would have to assume that 14s are still on, given they're not for another nine months there just hasn't been the need to rush venue announcements. Unless someone has heard directly from BA then it's all rumours and innuendo at this point.

Going with the logic that they will be on like usual, which are the boys teams we think will likely qualify from each state?

SA: Norwood, North, South
QLD: Townsville, Brisbane, Southern Districts, Cairns
VIC: Keilor, Eltham, Dandenong, Hawthorn, Casey (Hosts)
WA: Warwick, Willetton, Rockingham
NSW: Sydney, Hills, Norths, Canberra, Albury

787501 - So the kids have a long year, who cares. 14s is unique because it is club vs club not state vs state. That is the beauty of it. To lose that for another state vs state competition would be just plain stupid given there is already three of those available to kids as they go through the different age groups. And for the record some states don't pick the best players and or coaches for SCC either so that argument to expand that tournament is also ridiculous. Not saying I agree with ranger on all their points, but the argument they made against your previous post was a pretty valid one. If you dislike 14s so much that's fine, don't attend. But I can guarantee having been a few times that the vast majority of clubs that qualify and in particular families and are realistic and know this will more than likely be the only time their child attends a national championships. That alone should be a huge reason why the tournament will remain as it is and has been for over three decades now.

Classics is not national. Unless your ideology is WA doesn't count. As highlighted above by Anon, they don't attend because that weekend is a fixture weekend for them with their own season over there. Again, you show your lack of facts. Perhaps you should change your name to TrumpBallFan for accuracy purposes.

One of my kids attended both the U14 clubs and the newly formed SCC in 2018 and was a starter. The workload of attending both comps was not a problem; there was a spacing of several months between these events. If she wasn't chasing a ball around the court she would up to mischief at the mall or forever on her phone. The SCC is designed for state bball authorities to independently identify talent early and give them exposure to state development programs. It is a good initiative particularly for country ballers. But - as i mentioned elsewhere, the 14 clubs is one of most enjoyable tournaments your child is fortunate enough to be involved.

Well said Red.

Boys and Girls at Casey

News... where is the link?

There isn't one.

That was my point kobe. People need to stop with all the rumours unless they have proof of an announcement. BA have at least updated the link on the nationals page to show 14s and 2020 without a date in the box but at least it shows there will be a tournament for those who were questioning whether it would go ahead or not

No release but I asked someone I knew at Casey and they confirmed, just not the dates.

5th - 10th October 2020
Under 14 Boys and Girls National Club Championships
Casey, Victoria

We look forward to having you all in our beautiful part of the world!

To get the whole tournament at the same venue, these were the dates agreed upon by the assoc and BA

Perhaps they need to go to the old days and just have the 16 teams.

I am Victorian and even I think the current situation of allocating Nationals is an absolute joke. I can not remember the last time that 14s was held outside of Victoria, it has to be at least five years if not more. BA being based at the SBC also doesn't help with BV literally just across the hallway - It's not hard to see why other states would despise us based on this cosy arrangement alone. For it to be a fair and just system moving forward, I think something like the following equal rotation scheme needs to be proposed and agreed upon by each of the relevant state governing bodies and BA:

2020: 14s - VIC; 16s - WA; 18s - VIC; 20s - ACT
2021: 14s - VIC; 16s - WA; 18s - VIC; 20s - ACT
2022: 14s - NSW; 16s - QLD; 18s - SA; 20s - TAS
2023: 14s - NSW; 16s - QLD; 18s - SA; 20s - TAS
2024: 14s - WA; 16s - ACT; 18s - NT; 20s - VIC
2025: 14s - WA; 16s - ACT; 18s - NT; 20s - VIC
2026: 14s - QLD; 16s - SA; 18s - TAS; 20s - NSW
2027: 14s - QLD; 16s - SA; 18s - TAS; 20s - NSW
2028: 14s - NT (Boys Darwin / Girls Alice); 16s - VIC; 18s - ACT; 20s - WA
2029: 14s - NT (Boys Darwin / Girls Alice); 16s - VIC; 18s - ACT; 20s - WA
2030: 14s - SA; 16s - NSW; 18s - QLD; 20s - TAS
2031: 14s - SA; 16s - NSW; 18s - QLD; 20s - TAS

That's the next decade planned out with each state getting to host each of the major tournaments equally. This VIC centric mindset by PM, RN and the rest of the national governing body needs to stop

Another week passes and still no announcement from Basketball Australia. Those in the know with Casey people know why the delay at all? WA will be the first to have their qualification tournament in a little over a month yet at this rate will still not know where and when the tournament will be held.

Renee Norris at BA handles this...

Anon499. Well written. When people have direct experience of this event they tend to be positive about it and notice how much it means to the kids. People have a connection with their local club. It means more to them that their local club qualified and ranked in the nationals than did their broad metro/country team.

Word around the Eltham Dandy Tournament is that BA has indeed scrapped 14s. Spoke to the Casey U14 coaches who said they've heard rumours but the club has said nothing, and then was told by both Dandenong and Knox personnel that they were of the understanding that they had been canceled as of this year going forward.

With the delay in announcement, do we suggest the boys and girls could possibly be at separate locations?

BA HAVE NOT updated their Calendar. The current calendar is for 2019 not 2020 - So still no guarantee there will be an U14s tournament this year. My mail from the victorian clubs at EDJBT is still holding true

Haha Anon currently very quiet. We can't wait to have all 48 clubs here over the next two years to our fantastic stadium and region. Lots of AirBnB accommodation options in nearby Frankston and Dandenong too. See you all in September