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Is there enough storage on the internet to continue with this discussion?

Is it good or bad?

Strong rumours of some coaches being replaced.

Juniors/seniors/Webbers?

Replaced or leaving?

On a side note, interesting to see that Jantke has signed with Norths 18s so he can continue to win.

Norths 18's aren't that good - didn't even make the GF

They didn't perform coz of a few egos getting ahead of themselves. They won’t go far until they fix that

Heard McGriff is back next year, at Norwood or elsewhere?

Is Rogers coaching again or not? And is Willie still their coaching director?

Rogers was PL coach as well as coaching director last season.
You'll have to ask those in the know whether that will still be the case.

Willies at centrals

Who do we ask at Norwood? Is it A Webber, D Webber (1), D Webber (2) or C Webber? Apologies for any other Webber I may have overlooked!

I don't think there's any questions about the passion and input the Webbers have put into the club the past decade or so. It's just that it's time as players they need to take a reduced role and let new blood come through, albeit slim pickings from the junior program. But more than 1 former player has said they run that team. Cooper was able to control them, KB was bringing them into line but ended up in a losing situation so they got a coach that kept allowing them to do whatever they wanted and play major unwarranted minutes. Had a great start to season but it all unravelled towards end, don't even bring up they only just lost to forestville by a couple of points, would have been knocked out by full strength southern week before.
Most recruits leave pretty quickly with all the crap that goes on. Don't know what information started this thread but tough calls need to be made, will they with the same old names on committee. Can keep putting bandaids on the wounds by opening up chequebook but pretty soon it will fester too much and will bu unsaveable.

Who looks after junior development at Norwood

Rojo who was also Premier league mens coach this past season.

Who's going to the Norwood holiday clinic? Wait for it, 2 Webbers, Daniel and Shannon, plus Jordy Wilson and Lauren Spangler.
FFS, they can't even do a clinic without 50% of the coaches being Webbers!!!!!
Here's a competition, what do you think you'll learn at the camp without mentioning towel waving.

Surely Rojo has to be there too as JDO!

Andrew Webber can't handle the smoke. If only he was half the bloke that Daniel is. Doubt people will want to see another year of Andrew sooking everytime he’s subbed off heard he’s terrible on and off court and of course his brother will only get a new coach that can guarantee him 35 for minutes than he should get each week

They got rid off Willee for Romo ? Get what you deserve I guess does that mean a few of the committee go like Phil

Probably not

The president wouldn't know how to run a canteen let alone a basketball club. Can confirm ever since he has been there he has done nothing but make players leave Norwood in the next years will be nothing if the Webber’s stick around

From the outside looking in I can only assume that Rojo will focus more on his junior role?? Or sacked from the whole club??

The more I think about this the more it sounds like he is only keeping one job as both are extremely demanding.If sacked then a big surprise from Norwood but you never know

Not a fan of the bloke personally and don't know how he handled the JDO job, but to get shafted in the coaching job is a bit harsh.

As in Rojo is no longer the Basketball Development Manager? Or just no longer the PLM coach?

Would have thought the junior role was a multi year deal, if so then a big payout coming.
What did the president say that was so bad?

So who is looking after junior development then?

Don't think anyone has been looking after junior development there for a while!

I think that a few questions need to be asked and answered by the club.Firstly the last 2 JDO have been restricted in carrying out there duties to the ability that both have been employed to use.

Sure both are extremely different in how they go about it , but surely it is up to the individual how they get the outcome required by the club.

Secondly both would be more qualified than those sitting on the club's committee that appointed them and those should have supported the role better

willie isnt qualified to do anything

It seems that there is a move for clubs to move out of the player development space and align more to domestic programs. Southern and Sturt appear to be gradually moving on away from the role of coaching director, drastically reducing the hours of theirs and making the role part time.

Norwood have made theirs redundant.

These 3 clubs were supposed to be the shining beacon of light for this role and it appears they have decided that the investment into this resource as a fulltime role is just not returning enough value.

My view has always been that fulltime basketball roles don't pay enough to attract good candidates anyway. Normally those taking on these roles really are unable to do it adequately, they just don't have the mix of capabilities and skills required and move into those low paid roles because they can't really do other jobs.

Where and how will player development happen in these clubs?

Southern have made theirs redundant too.

the role at Sturt is not part time

The role should only be part time anyway. It's only weekend, after school and holidays where they can have any contact with the kids. What else do they do during the day apart from phone calls from parents. If the role covered admin, fair enough. But what else would they do, can only do curriculums, etc for so long.
The role is definitely needed whatever you call it, junior development officer, coaching coordinator, basketball development officer. 90% Is dealing with parents, 10% dealing with players and coaches. But clubs generally try to up each other, that scam that Flynn had going with writing specific curriculums for half the clubs was hilarious. As soon as one heard a club was getting it suddenly there was a mad rush. But looking at them it's the old copy my homework but change a few words and strategies so teacher doesn't know we're cheating. Wonder how many are even looking at their's now.
Clubs could afford to pay players more, especially the imports, to take kids for on the court stuff instead of a jdo. Kids would rather have an Alex Starling show them how to do a euro step than someone like Rojo.

You sound like a club committee person.

No idea

South Australia's most successful junior club - Sturt.

The only club to consistently have a Coaching Director/JDO over the last 20 years and not change or cut the role - Sturt

Also only had 3 people in that role during that time as well.

It's not the low pay that turns people off the role, it's the fear about the future career path as you're at the mercy of committees who change and can cut you suddenly halfway thru getting the job done.

Sturt have had stability, plus the last two coaching directors have moved onto better jobs - one in Singapore and one in High Performance.


That leaves only Sturt, Woodville, South and Forestville (kind of - who's the JDO, Shane or Sharon) with full-time JDOs. If you are a young coach keen to learn and improve, they are the four clubs to go to. Talk to the JDO, evaluate what's best for you and go to one of them. Forgot the other 6 clubs.

I'm sorry. The Webber's now run the Norwood Basketball Club from top to bottom. Anyone who doesn't agree with them or their ideologies is pushed aside or dismissed. So sad.

The other thing to note here is that there is no doubt that Southern has improved over the time Dean has been there.

During Rogers and Willie's combined time, 2009 to now Norwood has improved massively.

The rot for both these clubs won't start overnight, but will show over the years if they don't replace these roles. Of course the people who make these decisions to cut these roles will often have moved on and others will be left cleaning up the mess.

You mention Woodville and South as destination clubs, what the hell are you on? Woodville has no girls teams and boys are terrible. And what's south's success rate? Even forestvilles boys sides have been pitiful. Just recruit a few players. Of course Sturt are flagship, but they also get top kids from elsewhere. The coaching is very good though.
And I'm not a committee person, if you're going to sling shit, explain why a full time spot is needed.
What's Norwoods performance apart from 14 boys been like, mainly in part of sheer numbers to choose from. As they gradually go up in age groups they drop off quite a bit. As for the girls they used to be up there. 18s and 16s were abysmal this year,a lot of it due to girls leaving because of choice of coaches, who does that?

Sturt have cut back the role.

Whilst the new Coaching Director is a big upgrade from the last one that was there he is juggling quite a number of significant external interests.

Sturt have gone for a very skilled and qualified candidate but he will not be at full capacity.

Sturt is beginning to slide fast since Mesecke has moved on, will be interesting to see if the new model they have adopted can stem the downturn.

The point I am making is if we look at the data, the only club to have stability in coaching directors over the last 20 years is Sturt, and their program shows it.

Southern have had stability for a little bit and they have clearly improved. Expect them to start falling off.

I was trying to be nice but since you bought it up I agree with South and Forestville. Not a great record by the now South coaching director, the slide from a once strong boys program at Forestville started under him, but that's my personal opinion.

Woodville have only recently hired a JDO. We have seen where not having one has got them, if the committee backs that person over time and they are capable you should see them improving.

My point is those clubs have a resource to assist young coaches. If you get good coaches you can then develop and attract talent. Talent doesn't simply fall into your lap, it takes time to develop and then retain coaching and playing talent.

Pretty clear Sharon runs the junior basketball program at Eagles.

Shane is cooked at that club according to some. Many suggest his current role will be cut back and they'll get someone that is more efficient at getting back to member enquires.

Thanks to the clarification of the importance of a JDO. I now understand why North are struggling with their juniors

North have a model they not many can follow. They have committed people such as Della-Pia, are stable and the big coup for them was getting people like Steve Kellis into the club. It certainly helps with recruiting when you have a guy with pro connections that he has putting in so much time and the only thing he looks for out of it is to share a meal with his coaches.

Sure if every club has a NBL player agent willing to do all that work, maybe you don't need a full-time JDO. But as far as I know there's only one Steve Kellis in Adelaide.

Yea the North model is interesting. A good example of not getting a fulltime JDO willing to work for next to nothing. It seems like they are in a better position than most clubs employing substandard, fulltime JDOs. They have network of people all pulling in a common direction for the same goal, for their athletes.

Not someone working in a JDO role because they could not get a job in the real world, trying to guide athletes and families that are not qualified to guide, whilst milking coaches, hard working volunteers and athletes for their own personal gain. That is the reality of the vast majority (not all) of fulltime JDOs and High Performance Mgrs for that matter.

I think we are both starting to find a middle ground we can agree on.

If you have the set of circumstances you have at North, agreed maybe no fulltime JDO required. However most clubs don't, so a JDO is required. The issue is hiring the right candidate. There has been plenty of poor hires over the years. Mesecke did a great job at Sturt over a very long time, and demonstrates the value of the role. Some have been poor choices, and my argument would be that it isn't necessarily the role but a committee of parents making the wrong hiring decision.

We've seen where not having a JDO has got some clubs to. There are multiple I can name that clearly need someone to come in and help fix their programs. If you think you can't get the right candidate with a full-time salary, you're definitely not getting them with a part time role.

To have an impact as a JDO IMO is to have a great relationship with the Div 1 coaches. Most of the problem is coaches that have been at a club for a long time will ignore suggestions, then there are the green new coaches that want to make their own mark and only use their ideas. The rotation at Sturt is interesting, wasn't a fan originally but makes sure people don't get too comfortable and set in their ways. And it has to work having the same system throughout otherwise there is no continuity for the kids. You see some clubs where kids have to learn an entire new style every time they move up, both age wise and division wise. On the other side, some JDO's sweep in and mandate to coaches what they want instead of getting everyone together and discussing whats the best way ahead. That's where I think Southern have greatly improved lately with coaches being on the same page.

As long as you do that I have no idea why a club SHOULD have a full time JDO. There are other ways to do this and possibly having several people doing all these activities is better as each of the tasks you mention require different skill sets which would be difficult to find in one person

What club has all those bases covered with volunteers to do all those roles?

Sturts success beginning with their move towards a full time role probably showed the way.

If clubs aren't interested in following that lead. Expect them again to continue to dominate and be the only club with continued success at National level and in player development. Please note I said consistent. North seem to be doing an excellent job in the boys program atm, but can’t help feel that once certain people move on to other things, it has the potential to come crashing back down to earth.

I can't see North "coming back to earth". They have the right balance of player development and short term success. Something that programs in SA has really struggled with.

The trajectory of their boy's teams is extraordinary and they are only really just getting started based on predicted forecasts.

Until those people doing the work move on as their interests move to other things.

Because if you stop getting good kids and developing them at the u10 and u12 level then you stop getting recruits at higher age groups and then there is no one there to develop.

Exactly what the person above said. North's junior program wasn't all that flash a few years ago. For reference the current strong 18s group had players leave the program in first year 14s who have been state players at other clubs. Why they leave? Because the program wasn't doing that great.

A few key people have come in and done a ton of work. Once their kids leave the system if they don't hang around then North falls back to the pack.

Imo, and I am not related or affiliated with in any way, Adam Todd brought a high level of culture to the
north 16s which has spread. Does not cater to egos and has every player work harder than they have previously. And is a great role model on the sidelines, doesn't carry on to refs or yell and shout.

North are doin Ok, but I wouldn't put them up there with Sturt, or Fvilles Girls program which can win interstate medals. Who knows which way Norwood will go.South seem to have improved with their 10s and 12s started winning. Has Dickel had an impact there.
Put Southern in the same boat as Norwood. Westies should improve with their Junior Coaching changes, Centrals???Good in the boys but the girls need lots of work.

Back to the topic - what are Norwood's approach to juniors. Are they serious about developing Juniors after getting rid of two JDO’s or are juniors are a means to and end - i.e. revenue source for PL team?!?!

I am going to assume that's a rhetorical question.

Clearly they care more about money and don’t need a JDO because they already have so many teams.

Honestly working full-time in this sport in this state is a low paying, work your arse off, parent pleasing mugs game. Even if you have a half decent committee it wont take long for things to turn sour! I could not begin to imagine the hours some of these JDO's put in, would probably equate to an hourly rate of a Vietnamese sweat shop worker.
Its a great snapshot of basketball in South Australia with even the peak body BSA pay peanuts and produce the same in services.

As a former JDO you go into the job thinking you are going to change the world, get coaches on board and excited, be on court most of the time teaching kids. In reality its mainly talking to upset parents about little Billy or Sally not playing in a higher div because they are better than the kids there (99% of the time they are not) and dealing with rebel coaches that want to play zone the whole time in 16s so they can win, not develop them. There are the school visits that are good mostly.
So after a few months its like hitting your head against a brick wall especially if the committee aren't supportive. And the pay is peanuts and where is the pathway for a long term career. Just watch the new JDO's and see how the fire they start with gradually dies out.

Just heard from a reliable source that Andrew Webber may be player/coach. Heard it here first!

And that would explain Brine to Forestville

Southern must really be in financial trouble if their solution is Mick Osborne as part time JDO.

And still spending big on their premier league teams. Makes no sense.

Who are Southern spending big on?

Osborne as JDO? Lol

Is this for real?

Gets seniors discounts so saves them for lunch expenses.

433 ^ Mic Osborne is a great Coach. Would have him at my club any day.

My understanding is they have sign Dave Humphries who was going to the highest bidder, a friend of his from WA, two imports and chasing more.

Plus the women's MVP too on the girls side.

478 you forgot to start your post with "Once upon a time"

Is this the Woodville women's coach from last year?

yes

The Webber family is an absolute disgrace. In no uncertain terms, they should be ashamed of themselves. But they won't be. Mainly because you would actually have to have some character and morals for this to be the case.

I won’t let my kids anywhere near Norwood whilst this absurdly conceited family have taken charge.

And the way they sacked Rojo...i’d Suggest he should be fighting an unfair dismissal claim. He would win. They have poorly disguised their sacking as a "redundancy". And left someone who poured his heart and soul into the club unemployed, with no notice. He has a 1 year old daughter, but that wouldn’t be their concern of how they’re going to eat.

Daniel Webber just isn’t good enough to play 35 mins in premier league, and has a disgusting attitude. And Rojo is a good enough coach to recognize that. But that’s a sure fire way to get off side with the family that has unfairly influenced the position. Put him on the bench, where he belongs...and then suffer the consequences.

So the new coach will either be a Webber or have to play the game of getting poor little Danny on for max minutes, or be the next one sacked...it’s not U12 div 3. It’s bloody Premier League. He’s just not good enough, and has now unfairly influenced his family to sack Rojo. Disgusting human being with no thought for the team.

Why anyone would endorse the ridiculous ego and club culture while the Webber’s are in positions of influence is beyond me.

Only way to make a change is get 5 people to stand for positions on the board/committee.

Why not have a committee of one!!!