Disgusting.

Do you think I could offer to pay for my membership with exposure on my Facebook, Twitter and Instagram? Maybe I could get them a hat made too?

Meatheads on and off the court !!!

So this what passes for "outrage' nowadays?
Amazing.
There wouldn’t be a sporting club or franchise anywhere that didn’t depend on having access to to a a supply of people who 'just get things done', for nix or near nothing.

sooners the 36ers fold the better

"With millions of annual revenue", that doesn't mean they are profit machines, I’d put 36ers in “struggling business, surviving through public interest and good will of owners and sponsors”

The Sixers only error here is not communicating effectively their budget upfront, and even then I put it down to the fact that the CEO and Marketing manager were ill and could not represent the Sixers.

But let's be clear on the rest.

The Sixers did not 'demand' anything for free, they asked.

I love the auto-outrage as well, just because the Sixers don't value Close's 'art' automatically means they don't believe in the notion of Reconciliation or the First 'Nation'. She loves to give weight to herself by underpinning her 'Culture' to her 'work'.

Do these people ask their Customers whether they subscribe to these Notions when invoices are paid? Didn't think so.

I sincerely hope the Sixers find an up and coming artist who will be happy to provide this art and get the exposure that comes with having it on the Sixers jersey.

Let me re-iterate, the Sixers should have been clear from the start (that is on them), but they have made no demands, and the lamentable outrage is out of proportion to the initial misunderstanding.

I'm going to play devils advocate her and say it wouldn’t matter if she was indigenous or not if they have not budgeted for an extra design then most places would try this by using an unknown artist to try to not only get a free or cheap job done but also lift the artists profile
It’s nothing to do with race , I fir one am so sick of this race card every time something doesn’t pan out how those offended ( any race) want or expect

BUT having almost a year up their sleeves they should have factored this into their budget which although the offended artist seems to think is a multi million dollar one it’s far from that .

Absolutely shameful but to be expected from the clowns running the 36ers.

FFS can you not see or hear that this devalues her worth and that Aboriginal people are struggling to find belief in themselves after being treated like ..... for over 200 years now.

What is the PURPOSE of the indigenous round!

She's a recognised artist,not a mum in your u12s and they are a PROFESSIONAL Sports team.

It smacks of white privilege, not a good look for a Club.

The Thunderbirds I'm sure PAID for her services for their Indigenous round uniform and are probably where they got her name from.

The fact that you don't think this is an issue or not worth talking about is disturbing.

The 36ers cocked up w/ their PR and general mismanagement (again).

The artist is an entitled, identity politics player.

Nobody was "exploited" - just a waste of everyone's time.

This is a non-story.

The ignorance from the likes of Greybuoy, Playmaker and lovebroker is unbelievable and totally devalues the artist's time and work. Talk about out of touch. As a parent of junior bearcats basketball players I'm pretty disgusted that this is the example 36ers set. Thank you to the people speaking up and saying this is not ok. It's not. Thank jeevus some South Australians have empathy and intelligence.

This is often an issue for designers/artists people just don't value the work that goes into it and think "i could do that" a lot. The race thing makes this extra awkward but the core issue is just a professional not getting paid for their services.

She has good business sense or she would not be in demand or complaining about the treatment and lack of respect.

Why defend an organisation that does not conduct itself in a business like manner or display an appropriate set of values.

Up front they should have gone in with "we are a struggling organisation but want to do a good job for the indigenous weekend" and she probably would have helped them out.

The attitude was she should be happy with coloured beads.

Wow in 2019, I'm stunned.

The attitude was she should be happy with coloured beads.

The Sixers need to work on their "Human Relations Protocols"

So for when they were looking to take part in an Indigenous event by gaining the services of an indigenous artist they didn't think they should conduct themselves in a manner that was not going to cause offence hmmmmm.

They smack of just going through the motions and not embracing the spirit of the event - reconciliation.

I'm not interested in being EDGY but fair and just and egalitarian.

At least Lovebroker is prepared to put a name to his opinions.

We are all ENTITLED.

You value yourself or you wouldn't have expressed your opinion.

Come on - think about it.Put yourself in someone else's shoes.

The Sixers are in the mass media business,they are resonsible for what they say and do like all of us.

They need to be aware of their image and have values in their dealings with people or their business will fail.

Well the Sixers should have been more clear upfront about their budget.

By doing so it would have given Close the chance to turn down the time and effort it takes to formulate a quote.

She has a gripe on that front, but that's where it stops, it doesn't mean the Sixers are fake or paying reconciliation lip service.

So another example of the Sixers being a low budget organisation with poor management.

Wow, what an amazing breaking news story.

Damm those expose bucka sure pay the bills

Adelaide somehow managed to screw this up even further:

Sixers sure love doubling down.

In saying that this particular individual is a massive crybaby when market force reality hits her.

Let me explain.

I know a number of mediocre artists who eek out a living. How do they do it? Via taxpayer funded grants from the federal government. It's a massive drain brought to you by Canberra. Under this system you can be an artist who is not commercially viable your entire career and still make a living.

In this case when interacting with actual private businesses like QANTAS or the Sixers and the market sets her worth at nil she feels outraged and unleashes on social media. Due to race the media publish otherwise non-newsworthy material about her rants, when her real issue is that she isn't worth what she thinks she is - the bubble of government funding has convinced her she can charge more than what her works are worth, make an income and be a professional artist. Delusion we pay for.

Dickhead hitting some key words here. Hopefully that bubble you've lived in your entire life busts soon. In the meantime, keep watching those shows that come on after dark...

Perfworld knows heaps of people.

So sporting teams offer these sort of deals all of the time regardless of a persons background.

Its not like the hand isn't out for pointless bloody welcome to country ceremonies all the time anyway so a bit of "artwork" for free tickets sounds like a good deal.

You can also say no!

Exploiting people isn't OK. There is no justification for it, no matter which angle you try. Whether an individual or business, if you can't afford to pay someone for their time and services, then you have no business asking in the first place. Barter is fine, provided that it's a fair trade, rather than outright exploitation.

It's disgusting that anyone here could be so detached, or so lacking in empathy as to write this woman's experiences off. Every one of you, if someone attempted to rip you off, you would be screaming about it.

Where you say this has nothing to do with race - well, it's probably time to take a good hard look at yourselves. Reconciliation is about making up for the wrongs of the past. It's not about saying sorry and feeling guilty - it's about saying I'm sorry you've experienced what you have. It's about showing a bit of compassion and using that to help make some changes for the better. Here instead, there's no compassion or even a moment's pause to begin to try and look at where this woman is coming from. Instead we've got hand wringing, and blame being shifted onto someone for not allowing her culture and her skills to be exploited. "Move on" sounds a lot like "get over it", and "it's in the past". Things that are only ever said when it applies to someone else.

I'm sick to death of small, selfish, unthinking people.

Anonymous
A couple of hours ago

"Sorry, your quote is a little out of our budget, thanks for your time".

Crisis averted.

Wow. An anonymous with sound advice. Perhaps if you put your name to it, the 36ers could use you as a consultant.

Of course, you'd be expected to work for contra tickets. 1st consultancy service: "don’t offer free tickets for professional services".

Bravo John

No doubt it was handled unprofessionally by the Sixers (again).

It's scary how so many people have no idea about government arts funding and how it works yet because the reality outrages them they simply call you a liar. Now that's a bubble!

Some - probably most of us - don't bitch and moan to the press when we don't get what we want.

If the artist was offended by the 36ers' approach, I think we all get that.

That doesn't mean she should get what she wants just because she wants it.

Poor form by the 36ers.
Ugly, entitled, identity politics played by the artist.
Too many sheep on this forum, falling victim to shared outrage.

Mediocre artists (of either colour) get propped up by taxpayer funding. It's a fact.

No Anonymous, you have a history of telling lies to try and make a point. I'm going to hedge my bets and say that this is another one of those situations.

See what I did there.

I would like to know how much the Thunderbirds paid for her design for their jerseys. That's pretty much the benchmark.

If she weren't Aboriginal this would be a non-story. But because she is, the 36ers should have known very well the potential media repercussions it would have, and should have consulted a legion of Indigenous elders before even considering speaking to an Aboriginal artist, lest that artist find their conduct in any small way offensive.

They were trying to get the service on the cheap. It's as simple as that. All the inferences of racism (even though, yes, she is not directly saying it, but it is inferred) are being tacked on to make a non-story a story. She isn't obliged to give them the art. They didn't offer a deal she liked. Therefore no deal was struck. It seems a bit weird that they had a budget for it then suddenly didn't. But this is basically a non-story dressed up as a story by SBS and ABC - the usual agents of race bating.

She can simply say NO!!!

Exploitation? Its negotiation and a party can say NO!!!

Thats called business....

actually it is business to ask for a quote , to see if you afford what yoking them to quote on. Just because someone gives a quote it does not mean you have to accept that. I

ME is on the money

She quoted and they said we ain't paying.

People quote people all the time when they don't have the money to pay.

hence you don't do the work and we all move on, she has made this something it isn't.

"It's not business to ask someone to provide a quote, then say you don't have any money."

This happens all the time. I had one lady once who told me she didn't have any money to pay for my work (once I finished it), and asked if I had any work on offer. I didn't, but I knew the only way to get anything out of her was for her to do some admin work for me that needed doing.

I had another a-hole refuse to pay me. After 12 months of giving me the run-around, he basically told me to F-off and wasn't going to pay. The work I did was of a legal nature in relation to his place of residence, which I then formally withdrew with the authorities. Needless to say, the fool will now be unable to sell his house unless I release my work, or he has to obtain the services of another professional, which is unlikely.

So what your saying Jack is that you were pissed by what they did and found a way to get your pound of flesh.

Hmmmmm

So i guess you understand her going to social media.

I get that she had not provided the service yet but I suspect Aboriginal people might be a little touchy about someone wanting to shaft them.

Watch the movie : The Australian Dream

Seems the 36ers have apologised to the artist, on Adelaidenow.

If this wasn't an Indigenous art thing does anyone care?

If it was a quote/discussion between two non indigenous people/companies would this be blown up and require an apology?

So everyone is reacting to a facebook post. Good old social media. One side of a story. So people can post anything on social media and it must be true I guess. The outrage of everyone is so fake news. Sounds like a small communication issue.
I called the plumber too come quote a small job at my house. We have a bit of a communication issue about some details. I then vent and complain on facebook about his business. SJW.
If she doesn't like the way they go about about it then she should just move on. Or now maybe the 36ers should give their side of the story and trash her in public. Not good business sense for anyone.

AdelaideNow abstract:

The Adelaide 36ers apologised to an Aboriginal artist after asking her to design an indigenous round jersey in exchange for free tickets and exposure — a request she rejected as unethical and exploitative.

"but not you for suggesting that the race card was played (when it hasn't been)."

Did you or I misread the very first sentence? There is a specific reference to "*Aboriginal* artists" there. If this was an issue of exploitation of artists in general, then wouldn't you expect the label to be "artists" alone? She might have good reason to make it about Aboriginal artists specifically, but that is indeed a case of her inviting race into the issue. She even gloats about googling her, referencing her Qantas controversy where she again references "Aboriginal Artists" specifically.

Does she have a point if this is applied generally to artists? Ideally, yes, people shouldn't be expected to work for free. But in real-life, being approached for work pro bono happens often, especially if you are a student, new to the industry, or at the other end of the spectrum, perceived to be sufficiently successful to be willing to work pro bono for a particular cause. I've been approached many times for such work. If it doesn't appeal to me as a worthwhile 'charity' work, then I refuse. Simple. Can designing indigenous round uniforms be classified as a charity work? I can think of reasonable arguments either way on that, depending on information about the 36ers which I don't have.

Obviously the 36ers could've avoided this awkward exchange if they made it clear from the beginning that they didn't have the budget for this in the first place and could only offer tickets in exchange. Many people are still willing to offer their services for free for projects like this, whether they perceive themselves to be professional or not.

"Oh wow, you really are fucking thick Reality."

This kind of line of attack is typical of the woke left when the issue is logically drawn away from identity politics, the only battleground the woke left likes to engage in.

I love how the left wing looney above basically auto replied with rage at rjd's post with no argument. Point proven.

I get that she had not provided the service yet but I suspect Aboriginal people might be a little touchy about someone wanting to shaft them.

I didn't attack the artiest in question just the general business practice of quote & acceptance which is common in many industries.

The artiest certainly can vent if she so chooses but the pandering of people and outrage that it was more than it really was is crazy.

A simple proposed business service discussion has been blown into a full on race discussion when its not about race but about a business transaction that hasn't materialized.

I'm sure may artist feel the way the person in question here does but hey that's life in the real world...just because someone calls you to discuss quoting work doesn't mean you'll get the job or be happy with the remuneration/package so hence you say know and find the next one!

You're acting emotionally and irrationally without arguing any of the points being made because they don't suit you. "DERP DERP right wing nut job (I had to google RWNJ). Just shut up if you're only going to respond with labels that make you feel better.

I'm sure may artist feel the way the person in question here does but hey that's life in the real world...just because someone calls you to discuss quoting work doesn't mean you'll get the job or be happy with the remuneration/package so hence you say know and find the next one!

#263. I guess you were a fly on the wall and know all the fine details. There is 2 sides to the story and 1 person shouts in public as loud as they can. Maybe the 36ers had a few issues dealing with her too, perhaps they should have come out swinging about about how bad she was to deal with. My point is the knee jerk reaction and judgements on who is right or wrong that everyone makes about what happened when we really don't know.
The 36ers are in lose/lose situation so will issue mandatory apology, etc, etc.

It's very clear the 6ers f'd up. Don't know how the debate got so far away from that.

Some people prefer whinging about whingers so much that they miss all sense.

Yeah i'm with you buddy. My point is they're literally emotionally affected (should i say triggered?) by something that is so obviously dodgy by the 6ers, just because theyre so upset that someone ~could be whinging~

This happened over an event staged for Reconciliation.

Everthing to do with it is Aboriginal in context.

Can we just accept that the sixers were insensitive.

They have apologised and obviously will review their behaviour.

There is nothing Entitled about her response, she was obviously dissapointed they appeared to not value her work the same as others.She is a professional artist AND Aboriginal.

Can we not think she is a whinger because she wasn't prepared to cop it quietly.

Her Business Manager warned them it would not look good to the public.

Why did they not apologise then and say there had been a mistake made.

Are we not telling our kids that the "Harden up Buttercup" mantra is wrong.

Bingo ^^

"When one party tries to engage a professional, but then suddenly flips the script and says they won't pay for their services, that is exploitation"

It's exploitation if the party receives the goods or services, which 36ers did not.

"Get fucked ME. you have completely misrepresented many parts of the story to try and make out that it's only an issue because the leftist media says so. Get a new routine mate, yours is predictable and ignorant."

Well that was frightfully articulate and balanced. A real MENSA member I see. Now, would you mind explaining what I misrepresented, or is it easier for you to just say "missrepresented" and go along with your day?

"Watch the movie : The Australian Dream"

Gee, relevance anywhere? lol. My god.

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36ers fucked up, of that there is no doubt. For some reason they were oblivious to the sensitivity these issues require. They also kinda were a bit sheisty trying to get a service essentially for free. But this is a non issue being made into an issue solely because of how hypervigilant the media and society is now about trying to find racism in everything.

^ and on the above comment it is worth adding that 36ers are looking for volunteers for... literally everything right now. If you look at their volunteer page they want volunteer food vendors, bar workers, promo people, bloody EVERYTHING. No questions asked of whether you're an Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander in the page as well. Basically, 36ers are a bunch of penny-pinchers, and maybe they're doing it to fund the Entertainment Center in the early days or something, but in light of this I don't see much that was out of character from the club in this particular circumstance.

Reckon they'd ask if the person was aboriginal or torres strait islander when going to a well known name in the indigenous art sector ME?

Not the point I was making. I'm saying theyre ripping off everyone.

If you look at their volunteer page they want volunteer food vendors, bar workers, promo people, bloody EVERYTHING.

I once shared an office with a guy who wanted to try a business marketing plan whereby our joint venture emailed every accountant in Australia asking them to quote for us, then every graphic designer, every videographer, every caterer, every promotional apparel company, every conference venue and so on. Creatively legalish spam for sure, but I disbanded that business partnership pretty quickly!

Everyone is arguing at cross purposes here which makes it a bit of a waste of time. It's sad that comprehension levels are so poor or that people enter with such bias (one way or another) that they wilfully misread. Another forum I frequent has "argue in good faith" as a rule, and there'd be absolutely none of that going on here!

It was a poor move by the 36ers to not disclose a lack of budget, especially when asking someone to quote. For a freelancer, quoting is a serious timesink. If you disclose up front that it is an unpaid opportunity, a business can make an immediate decision to ignore or reply "no".

Separately, there exist creatives who think that no one should ever work for exposure or contra, as an absolute rule. I don't agree with them, but they can mount a high horse at the mere suggestion. It is what it is, and this incident is the junction of the two scenarios.

The 36ers have a long, long history of trading for work. I offered partial trades when I worked with them, but I was interested in basketball so wasn't overly fussed and had tactics that meant the terms were favourable enough for me. You only have to look around a basketball stadium to see how many contra deals go on - cleaning, security, signage, etc. I did laugh at the artist's mention of a graphic designer getting paid because I'd bet small stakes that the majority of design or media arrangements with the 36ers over the last 20 years have involved contra portions.

It's possible (even likely) that this was an internal club miscommunication, but I think it's reasonable to call out the club on your personal Facebook page especially given that awkward situation of inviting free labour on a reconciliation theme. Tweet-length might've been enough though!

Could you please send through a portfolio of your previous work anon?

"Why do you RWNJ's ..."

Stop you right there. I've been long known (on Ozhoops etc) as holding distinctly left-wing, libertarian views. It's the woke left that has perverted the left via identity politics, twisting minor disputes into opportunities to spread the woke activist message. To some degree this is represented in this thread. Unfortunately the loud, extremist minorities misrepresent the scale of their actual voice in society and spread their pathogenic extremist arguments via social media, effectively so with echo chambers that misrepresent the public's actual stance, helped along by click-bait media and its connection to the rise in offense culture, generating more support and disenfranchising the sensible moderates on either wing. This is why we have entered a global era trending towards political extremism. It is the woke left that has triggered a rise in right-wing extremism. I hate the trend towards tribalism in politics, but some labels are necessary to make groups distinct so that the sensible moderates can find a voice for themselves to go against the left extremists.

"Bit hard to take your rant seriously when you played the identity politics in the first place."

Identity politics is not in itself the defining of political groupings. I prefer arguing issue by issue, but sometimes labels are necessary, especially to define the new extreme left. Perhaps its not surprising for you to deny the bounce-back effect in political extremism (especially when freedom of behavior appears to be restricted) if you live in such a bubble.

I must admit for free seasons tickets I'd put my hand up to do the artwork.

Its just a few colored dots couple of lines and with the help of my five year old, voilà singlet sorted.

My family are even indigenous so ticks all the boxes.

Anons calling for a cease in discussion is the most compelling type of censorship.

"Its just a few colored dots couple of lines and with the help of my five year old, voilà singlet sorted."

I presume this must be a facetious post. I looked up some of Elizabeth Close's work and she's very talented. If she did accept the job, she probably would've produced something outstanding.

I thought last year's Hawks Indigenous uniform was excellent, probably my favourite NBL uniform in recent times. I had to look it up: designed by a University of Wollongong student that was interning at the Hawks, Harry Pitt, who interpreted another artist's work, Glen Sutherland. It's a shame that outrage gets you more attention than genuinely impressive actual work.

They don't actually have a marketing manager, the day the CEO was sick, he sent two junior staff to meet with her, one of whom had to volunteer for six months (that’s right, no pay) because he really wanted to work in professional sports. He only commenced on the payroll in July and effectively is the work experience kid. How ironic is that?
The other was the videographer/photographer, who gets paid minimum wages and has to pay for his own equipment.
Neither had any idea what they were being asked to do, or how to handle it, so they said, "send us a quote".
Unfortunately rather than simply contact the artist when he was back, and explain the stuff up, instead the CEO was dismissive and rude to the artist likely getting her back up, when a simple apology and explanation would have sufficed.
Certainly she made a big deal about an issue which is fairly commonplace in the industry and extremely commonplace at the club, but it highlights (as does the Mitch Creek situation) the arrogance and disrespect of the leadership, and the culture of the front office which is rotting from the top down.

Anons calling for a cease in discussion is the most compelling type of censorship.

@Theone - people work for free as interns all the time.

Its very common place in many sectors and shows you are really determined to make it in the industry and value the experience the role provides which usually results in a job or similar employment as generally when hiring people are very impressed you'd got o those lengths to gain experience, it simply shows your hungry for success!

We've hired 2 people for the USA/India who both did 1 year of unpaid work at financial firms and is shows how hungry they are to get ahead and even accept the minimum gazetted wage just to get a foot in as opposed to many self entitled lazy people would demand wages without the hunger or experience so hence they are still unemployed!

That's the point reality. She's not trying to make it as a young up and comer. She's a well known leader in her field. If an organisation like the 36ers can't pay her for her product, who will?

Nah mate we get them out of the USA where they do them.

Frankly it weeds out the wheat from the chaff when hiring as you know who is keen and hungry to work.

People starting out demand higher wages so we simply don;t hire them was really the point.

Like all things in life the cream rises to the top through hard work and sacrifice.

Back on the entire artwork thing shes said no to the free work so perhaps the 36er's could get an young up and coming artist to undertake the work for the great exposure they'll get.

There is always a young person who is hungry for the work and exposure thats just the way the world works.

Still ignoring the fact that it's illegal too. Classy

"Your comments about the woke left and living in a bubble are just not worth responding to."

You do realise that Elizabeth actually mentioned trying to "look woke" in her message, like it was something she assumed they were trying to achieve, that having an Indigenous round is "virtue signalling"? So the woke left is entirely relevant in this: Elizabeth's facebook message was a textbook case.

Just curious, are you a regular here that is too cowardly to put any kind of name to your comments, or an intruder here for this particular controversy?

"Except for the fact that it isn't censorship at all."

We must have different definitions because censorship includes the 'suppression of speech', which locking a thread would do. I'm not running this site so they are free to do what they like, but if people don't like what's being written or the direction the speech is going, a simple alternative is to not read it.

"Still ignoring the fact that it's illegal too."

From my experience, I noticed unpaid internships are extremely common as part of university courses. I did one myself. When was this law enacted?

"To suggest someone who wants to work for free is better than someone who expects to get paid is ludicrous and exploitative."

Just wondering, do players that attend training, but are not on an NBL roster, get paid? Or are they just there for the opportunity and experience to learn?

Vocational placements
A vocational placement is a formal work experience arrangement that is part of an education or training course.

Vocational placements can give students important skills to help them transition successfully from study to work, while giving industry and business the opportunity to enrich student learning experiences and increase the number of work-ready graduates.

Vocational placements that meet the definition under the FW Act are lawfully unpaid, regardless of whether an employment relationship exists or not.

Anyway. It just proves my point that people want to discuss whether this person has the right to whinge, rather than acknowledge that the 36ers are managed by a group of children.

Woke, left, millennial, racism card, whatever. They absolutely cooked the situation beyond anything you'd expect a professional organisation to do, and they deserve this backlash.

Using your horrible analogy RJD. If they contacted Jock Landale, got him in for a meeting, asked to provide his figure, then said actually you're a training guy and we'll pay you with some training gear... do you think he'd be perplexed?

Cos they didn't contact a "training guy" artist. Nor convey that they thought this was a "training guy artist" situation.

Fool

"Please tell me that wasn't a serious rebuttal to the point you were responding to."

It is a genuine question related to the quote. Do you have the answer?

"If they contacted Jock Landale, got him in for a meeting, asked to provide his figure, then said actually you're a training guy and we'll pay you with some training gear... do you think he'd be perplexed?"

It wasn't an analogy. The topic of discussion was around payment for work. But to answer your question, I'd guess he would likely be perplexed. I'm not defending the 36ers here. There was an obvious breakdown of communication and, as Elizabeth noted, a lack of research on her.

If, for example, Ben Simmons was asked to train with the Boomers for free during a training camp in a campaign that he won't participate in, and therefore not be paid, I suspect he might be not be so perplexed. So it depends on the situation.

We must have different definitions because censorship includes the 'suppression of speech', which locking a thread would do.

perhaps the 36er's could get an young up and coming artist to undertake the work for the great exposure they'll get.

All good points Isaac. Perhaps they could've even partnered with an AFL player/ team/ program. Or any community group. Perhaps a community group or charity could've designed it in exchange for some auction funds or something as suggested.

1,000,000 better ways to do this, but instead they gave it no thought, and should be criticised for it.

Surely if you're going to the lengths of participating in an indigenous round, you allocate at least some budget, involve a relevant artist (even if just licensing their work) and then auction singlets to fundraise for an appropriate charity (maybe at the direction of the artist). Otherwise it's a pretty hollow gesture.

I think that's the point Koberulz... instead of understanding and valuing the meaning/ importance/ reason for the indigenous round. They gave it no thought and tried to swindle a professional into doing it for tickets to a game.

That's what the artist's complaint is about.

Trying to swindle is going a bit too far.

They failed to communicate their budget upfront.

Swindle implies obtaining by deception, there was no deception there was miscommunication. There was no chance that Close was going to lose anything other than the time she took to quote and complain on social media.

"Asking for the thread to be locked is not censorship"
Perhaps my statement wasn't clear enough to state that I'm referencing a future state, the end product of a request, not that the actual act of requesting is censorship. Although requesting cease in discussion is a form of advocating censorship. I assumed this point was easy to pick up.

If it's an NBL initiative, which it seems to be, perhaps the NBL should be funding an artist or artists to design all of the indigenous round uniforms. Didn't First Ever design the recent City jersey range?

You guys are so caught up in arguing that you've forgotten what you wanted to argue. Just contrarian points all the way, where you can find them.

Greggo, there are many facets to this issue worth discussing, which involves the exploration of ideas. Not everyone is arguing one 'side' or the other.

Yeah you could spend a life time debating the actual issues here.

But instead most people have gone with "she's a whinger, this happens all the time."

I assumed this point was easy to pick up.

The 36ers' statement is a bit ...

The Adelaide 36ers are currently talking with a number of interested Indigenous artists for the design of our Indigenous jersey. The club has not yet finalised who the Indigenous artist will be, but are happy to pay for the service or accept a volunteer service, depending on the wishes of the artist.

Elizabeth Close was one of the artists we approached to support us on this project and in hindsight we acknowledge it was not done so in the appropriate manner. In our learnings, we are extremely sorry for the hurt and offence we have caused to Elizabeth and her family and will ensure moving forward with these types of projects we do so in a way that is respectful.

The Adelaide 36ers are committed to celebrating the First Nation's Australians and beginning the journey to understanding and learning the spirit of reconciliation. To ensure this is done so in the most culturally appropriate manner, we have now engaged 36ers ambassador Eddie Betts and his family to consult on the project. Eddie has worked to support other similar projects in the AFL with great success.

Eddie betts is consulting? Lolz what? The dude kicks a football around for a living he isn't an Artist!

Surely the lip service with a consultant is more insulting than anything else!

So they finally make a sensible move on you'll argue about that too....

Eddie Betts: indigenous person, 36ers ambassador, similar project in AFL....

The 36ers' statement is a bit ...

The Adelaide 36ers are committed to celebrating the First Nation's Australians and beginning the journey to understanding and learning the spirit of reconciliation.