Nick Kay looks waaaayyy out of his depth. No length or athleticism for the international game.

If Delly isn't a threat offensively, Sobey may be a better option at times, particularly if Lamanis runs with the best structure over talent. Sobey dropped 27 on Utah, so Canada shouldn’t be a problem.

Textbook production no scoreboard :/

Landale is the real deal

The Boomers are having quite a bit of trouble with a very depleted Canada team. I understand this is an exhibition game, but I expected so much more.

Landale is NBA ready

Nick Kay should not be on this team ahead of Brock Motum

Creek needs to get off the court. Should have taken Adel.

NBL players not up to international basketball. I'm shocked!

Anyone got link for live stats

there is a link in the proper game thread

Kay's selection was a huge mistake over Motum. I think Sobey will be fine, and his speed and athleticism are fine, even at the NBA level. He’ll just have to get the nerves out. Gliddon as a spot up guy in random situations could also be ok, but Kay is the stand out issue.

The douche hating on Creek is a clown, as Creek has proven himself at the next level. Now pipe down chump.

Early days but do agree, Kay's lack of athleticism is hurting him, and don’t shoot me but Sobey isn’t a point guard. Get the ball to Goulding and let him have a shot. You now understand the Cook selection, long lean and athletic, fast, the modern basketball player.

This team misses a shooter like Broekhoff

Which coach should BA go with to replace Lemanis?

Come down to earth aussie boys, this is not lame NBL leaque but international level

Lemanis against Nick Nurse is a laughable mismatch.

Let's face it, very questionable selections and coach. Can't see us in the medals. Almost as bad watching USA vs select team.

Delly is really struggling

Sobey and Kay on together is painful to watch, especially Sobey trying to play the point. I understand the experiment at NBL level and can get away with it a bit, but he is so out of his depth even against Canada. Put him against top European teams and I hope they don't wear the gold shorts because he'll shit himself. Lemanis is a goose for selection, probably one of the lures to bullets was that he'll play point for boomers.
Then again Cadee could be there.

Horrible thing about this is Cadee plays point better than Sobey. Our defence very average.

Landale is a stud

Canada was paying $8 to win

I still think we may be a chance to finish higher than NZ and make the Olympics but I'm not sure.

I feel sorry for the spectators

Too late to sack Lemanis and reselect team? Seriously! Don't care if it's just 1 game, selections were critiqued and proving correct.
Kay, just why?????
And Gus3232, please explain how this team gets a medal?

Seriously. Massive issues. We are miles off. And I doubt Lemanis has the answers.

Landale offence has been great but defensively been a liability, gets beaten off the dribble to easily. Hopefully Creek gets more time next game even at the four. Goulding best nbl player. Deladova will need to improve a heap.

Sobey is NOT a point guard!!!!

Lol Australian basketball. The Rio olympics finals meltdown, the tanking against Angola, the Phillipines basketbrawl and now the losing of the unlosable.

Is it true that people bought tickets to this game thinking Simmons vs Wiggins and got 40 mins of non effort and bricked shots?

Why were Kay and Sobey playing so scared? Most of the players they were playing are ranked lower than them.

Creek at least looked activated.

lemanis, overrated coach, always has been

To be fair to Kay and Goulding in 16 and 17 minutes they were only minus three, the rest were all badly in the minus. Bolden zero in 10 minutes.

I didn't mind Sobey, but Kay is out of his depth. Our D was woeful, looked like 5 guys were on 5 different pages. Lemanis has to cop the blame for that.

Mills, Bogut, Landale and Ingles all looked good, and Delly can definitely be better than he was. So what I would hope is that once we get into meaningful competition and the rotation tightens, things might improve quite a bit.

Lemanis's head being called for is mostly because of his selections not tonight's coaching

Reminded me of the ancient Etruscan proverb ..'The great painter with bad paint still creates a better picture than the bad painter with great paint '

Anyone saying that anyone calling for Lemanis' head knows nothing about the game, knows nothing about the game.

Andrej Lemanis is an abject fraud.

The final score is what I would have expected if Canada had Joseph, Murray, Barrett, and Olynyk. This was a very disappointing performance even for a tune up game. Bogut was frustrating to watch.

That's a sackable offence, or at least a final warning. I’d hope he’s in a performance meeting with his boss first thing in the morning, required to submit a performance improvement plan.

Sack Lemanis now. Its not too late. No more excuses. So much is wrong in every possible way. No way they medal.

Sack Lemanis now. Its not too late. No more excuses. So much is wrong in every possible way. No way they medal.

Sack Lemanis now. Its not too late. No more excuses. So much is wrong in every possible way. No way they medal.

live stats https://www.fibalivestats.com/u/AUSO/1313248/bs.html

My thoughts:

1. Boomers rotations were extremely slow. In many cases leading to mismatches.

2. Boomers close outs were also very slow. You can't say that Canada were just lucky with their shots. They were getting easy looks off slack defence.

3. Half the boomers were playing reactively to Canada. The other half were playing scared.

4. I missed the Delly to bogut alley oops and pick and roll

5. Boomers were forcing the 3 too much

6. The boomers were not running plays. Concerning that plays were not run following time outs

7. Creek looked confident. Kay and sobey had nerves to shake off. Landale was a natural. Delly had an off game. The rest were meh.

8. Delly was playing more as a scorer than a distributor

It’s only one game. But damn that was an absolute shocker. They can’t afford to have lapses like that in the actual World Cup.

Who would be the best replacement for Lemanis?

Need some athleticism, it's our biggest problem, the 4/5 combo should be Bayes, Landale and Bogut, Bolden. Got sharpen the defence urgently.

Was great to see some of these guys in person, but tbh most Wildcats games are more enjoyable and fun to be at. Atmosphere was pretty poor, boomers were sloppy, not many wow moments.

Landale was the only one to impress me, has huge potential.

This is the team not the squad

Maker clearly trolling. Our NBA talent for the most part other than Simmons and Mills are deadset roll players. And ageing role players at that. We will improve but we have batted above yourselves for a long time. They didn't show any cards tonight.

Also wtf was up with "top off 5:30" advertised everywhere when it actually started at 5:50. Screwed a lot of people's plans over and made them rush for no reason. Stuffed up my plans a bit, I was there just after 5 and then when I realised the time was a stitch up at 5:28 I went to grab some beers and people are literally running to their seats because they thought the game was about to start.

Every time Maker post he's trolling, he’s got a love affair with adel.

Tip off*

With you Maker. Would need to write a novel to discuss the issues. Any other NBL coach could do better. Its not too late. Find a coach who can look at our best talent and bring a structure that pulls their collective talent together as a team instead of trying to rewrite the book and expect them to change to suit an ineffective structure with zero D ! from most players. ts not rocket science at this level with the talent you have and the experience or should I say potential experience !!!

Putting aside the fact that Lemanis is a gronk let's hope we see a 2020 Olympics team like the following:
Simmons Dellavedova
Mills Exum Green
Ingles Broekhoff
Landale Bolden
Bogut Baynes T.Maker

This 2019 team is rubbish.

Last time I checked Green was not in the NBA

There are also 6 NBL guys in the side

Adel is hardly an nba player, he's a fill in that is cheap.

I don't think you can completely write kay (or any players) off just yet. Yeah a lot of NBL guys looked out of their depth but the whole team looked pretty shit tonight. I'm willing to give them all a few warm up games plus a world cup game or two before making a decision on them.

It did have a real 'exhibition' feel about it and like no one was trying 100% and that things weren't clicking properly.

Link to replay anyone?

Green is not ready, kidding yourself. Give him at least 2 years in college. Draft boards don't have him out in his freshman year.

Australia needs to look outside the box in choosing a coach. Safe bet is getting an NBL guy, that won't work IMO in international hoops. The other world game, soccer or football or whatever you choose to call it bring in international coaches with schemes that locals don't use. Best example was Hiddink who was successful in my limited knowledge of game because he knew how to take on international powerhouses, not Lemanis who has a crush on guys like Cadee. Have watched a bit of international ball lately, enjoyed watching Slovenia with Igor Kokoskov win European title in 17. Didn't have success with Phoenix but only given a year with shit team. Sure they had Dragic and Doncic but just watching offensively it was poetry at times. Need someone like that to come in and give fresh ideas, would rather that than watch the crap Lemanis trots out all the time. Need to take some high risk high rewards than go with Kay and the like. Even Goulding could be unleashed, love him or hate him, when he gets going he can swing a game.
But after we finish out of the medals again I can see someone like Bevo getting the job and we go around in circles again. Canada did play well tonight but we really looked like we hadn't even trained before. Sobey was lucky to get the ball over the half, let alone begin an offence, only bright spark for me was Landale, expect him to be in NBA next year, wouldn't surprise me for raptors to sign him on multi year deal.

No Baynes.
Glidden 1 shot in 10 minutes -- he isnt exactly in the team for rebounding or defense.
Delly stats - woeful.
Kay - 17 mins 2 rebounds
6/34 3 points will lose a lot of games.

Sobey/Goulding/Glidden seems like a lot of smiliar players. Motum in the past has proved to be instant offence, instant energy, instant rebounds.

Went to SBS on Demand to see if I could watch the replay - Instantly have a spoiler there of the result. - Hope they do better with that during NBL season.

Left field but I think brondello would do a better job than lemanis.

Probably Gleeson next in line although I think we should go for someone who has not been in the program already. Maybe a coach from abroad or give a young coach a go like Seebohm.

Top coaches outside Australia are not available in the qualifying rounds if they are in Europe or US. The two assistant coaches are Americans. One coaching the kings this season. The other Simmons mate so not certain where you get a senior coach from. Bevo would be excellent and I don't think a club coach should do it.
To early to judge yet, Lemanis has not failed yet.

Lots of people here happy with mediocrity

My main concern is how poor Delly looked tonight. If he continues playing at that standard the boomers are not likely to medal. We don't really have too many natural playmakers so he is important. Yes ingles and Bogut are good playmakers but you need guards can soak up possession after possession and create good shots for the team. Canada seemed to have a couple of those guys.

No wonder Creek was going off at them at camp if they relied on this kind of game plan and effort.
He's played a season in and amongst these players filling many WC teams and knows how fast and athletic it is. If they thought shooting well as Longley has been banging on about was enough thats what their game looked like tonight. And Lemanis needs a pill to lift his emotions. Give them something Andre to inspire them. Geese... your not their math teacher

I don’t think this team has it in them
to be honest to take on the tough teams to come. No mongrel in them. Motum, Anderson and Brandt last campaign brought the muscle inside and there is no evidence of any of that. And the defence that was like watching U10 newbies.

Give Joey the gig !

Creek looked good in his limited minutes. Sobey looked nervous.

Still no replay stream

Delly is the biggest issue right now. If it's not a talent thing, the team doesn’t look balanced with Delly out there. I feel he should play a Damian Martin style role off the bench. D up some guys and hustle.
Ingles and Mills in the backcourt, Creek or Bolden, Landale and Baynes.
All the people saying they agreed with Creek’s omission, don’t understand his value well. He can put points on the board in a role and is tough as nails. The Canadian defender bounced off him.

Simmons/Dellavedova/Exum
Mills/Cotton
Ingles/Broekhoff
Landale/Maker/Bolden
Bogut/Baynes


Reserves
Mcdowell-White
Mccarron
Creek
Adel
Cooks
Humphries

Pushing out
Sobey
Goulding
Gliddon
Kay

I think this will be our Tokyo Olympics squad if we make it.

And yet you're asking fans to shell out hundreds of dollars to watch it. Can’t have it both ways. If it’s just a 'warm-up’ or ‘exhibition’ then don’t sell it as something else. Better still, have a couple of closed sessions if you’re just going to be trying stuff out. These games need to have at least a bit of meaning if you’re expecting fans to pay big dollars.

Funny people saying 'can't call for coaches sacking after 1 game’. I’ve been saying it for 5 years.

This is the guy we’ve entrusted our golden generation to ?

Simple. Spend some money BA, get the best credentialed medal winning coach out there. Someone who’s proved they can do it ! And don’t restrict your search to native English speakers.

Thought: Lemanis bullshit Brisbane bubble has created a rift in the playing group, players have lost respect for the coach choosing his own bullets players over players that deserved those spots.

I know a lot of you want to bag the NBL guys but seriously, our big names have got to play both ends of the floor. Kay might not have scored but IMO he at least helped to stem the bleeding while he was out there. His +/- was a damn site better than most for the minutes he played and if our superstars had have scored he'd have racked up a few assists as well.
And as for Sobey, Gliddon, Goulding and Creek - we didn’t lose because of them. It wasn’t our night but I for one am really looking forward to round 2.
Hopefully "fans" who are so keen to knock our team will have reason to compliment players.

Not Longley
We need a proven international medal winner who's proven he can command and work effectively with NBA level talent
Who's interested ? Well who have we asked with the right offer ?? No-one
I would say coaching the Boomers in Tokyo would be a very enticing prospect for the right coach. Only needs to be a six month appointment
My pick is Djordjevic but you'll never pry him from Serbia
Sergio Hernandez ?
Sergio Scariolo ?
Vincent Collet ?
Carlo Recalcalti (he's getting on though)
Tanjevic (likewise)
Kęstutis Kemzūra & Blatt as a Team ?

BA dont even know who these blokes are i'd say

Canada showed their hand did they ?

Yeah I think some people don't actually understand what +/- means

I expect game 2 to be significantly different and it's nothing to do with Canada showing their hand or not. We will soon see.

"If it's just a 'warm-up’ or 'exhibition’ then don’t sell it as something else. "

They didn't. Did your ticket say World Cup group game on it?

Yep agree I would dead set be a w*nker if I'd said I expect them to do it for free Joe ? But I didn't, maybe read more better bro. BTW is Lemanis doing it for free is he ? If we are happy with pounding no-one in Asia, non- medal finishes and the tripe we dished up last night (ie more of the same) well AL is our man. And this aint his first rodeo, it'll be his 3rd major tournament (4th if you count your the amazing Asian Champs win), Tokyo his fifth. Had plenty of chances.

Very happy to be proved wrong tonight, next week and in China by the way. Zero evidence to suggest it will though.

If Cotton is eligible for 2020 Olympics then FFS get him in at the expense of Goulding.

Once Broekhoff, Exum, Simmons and Maker return hopefully we see no more Sobey, Creek, Gliddon and Kay.

Creek shouldn't be there he is lucky Cooks got injured and Broekhoff was unavailable.


As for the future post Bogut, Baynes, Ingles, Mills and Dellavedova,
We should be looking to Cooks, Humphries, Green and Makur Maker in future games after Tokyo.

All the coaches love the plus, minus stat, if you're plus 9 in two minutes and haven’t touched the ball you have contributed to good team D, it’s not always about the twenty shots you took at 20%.
If I recall last night game Bolden played around ten minutes for zero, Kay who did look shaky approx fifteen but was minus three which shows hustle on defence. Goulding again so underrated on these forums minus three in approx fifteen, played good D and team first.
To early to crucify everyone and to early to pick an Olympic team, a lot can change in twelve months. Not all nba players are stars either, at times right place right time, right agent, and the good old contacts.
Hopefully we come out of a very tough group and make top eight but it ain’t a certainty.

I think what's happening is there has been a distinct 'promote the NBL' tone to this whole campaign. From the 'Kay is dominating camp' propaganda to the selection of NBL players over NBA and proven international talent, the laughable Homicide interview with Marto last nite 'tell me this is a top 5 league Damo':). Hard to promote the NBL if no NBL players good enough to make the international stage. All seems a bit like a like a promo for the NBL not a campaign for our first international medal.

Um u do realise its just a practise match no one cares.
No one takes it seriously or shows anything

Considering basketball is the second biggest team sport in the world, finishing out of the medals is probably not a surprise. While round ball football is the biggest sport in nearly every country in the world basketball is also highly popular and in the US, Lithuania plus a few other countries is the biggest. If our media would cover world sports instead of sports played by a few countries that we beat up on most would realise how hard WC and Olympics basketball medals are.
Cricket, rugby, league, netball are not world sports.

Lot of talk about coaching the Boomers for free. Is it a voluntary position ? ?

The boomers were just a bit rusty on D and the 3 . 1st game for a long time for a lot of the players. Bogut, creek, jock looked the most match fit out of all of them and for a good reason. More games the boomers play the better they will get.

Pangos is the starting point guard for Barcelona, no nbl team go near them. To many just believe we should win with out knowing the true facts. That doesn't mean the nbl isn’t in the top tier of leagues in the world it’s just most countries have greater depth due to population and it is a bigger sport in most countries.

Landale was poor defensively, got beaten off the dribble continuously and there was much help out there.

I'm still on Lithuania to top the group