Bear
Years ago
Well, here it is, the Big V finals is red hot and about to start for the senior & Championship teams, the youth league already well into the final stages with grand finals next week, who do we like for all the divisional finals of the Victorian State league?
On a side note the whittlesea mens coach performance takes some beating. Taking the mens team from champ relegated to div 1, then relegated to div 2 after finishing last this season. If that wasnt enough for some reason he coached the womens side today to a 45 point loss. This bloke will go down as the worst coach in big v history.
No relegation in Scm or D1M this year due to Corio Bay merging with Geelong who already have an NBL1 program as their senior sides. This is well known around Big V so clearly you are just sad and bitter probably after being cut by Whittlesea
Take your hate and incorrect statements elsewhere
Tex
Years ago
No teams will be relegated in Big V Men's next season
PersonalFoul
Years ago
I'm sure quoting a result that everyone can look up and see is an 'incorrect statement' he still took a SCM team to Div 1 and then the bottom of Div 1 and is saved by a technicality.
Finals will be interesting to see who gets promoted especially the Div to SCM, this comp has lacked some punch with the top 4 dominating at times, and some teams talk 'on here' of going NBL1 keen to see.
Anonymous
Years ago
Ok well now that the finals are set for BIG V, who is everyone tipping?? In each division?
SCM - McKinnon
SCW - Keilor
D1M - Western Port
D1W - Hawthorn
D2M - Southern Peninsula
D2W - Pakenham
Fair criticism of the Whittlesea coach. More criticism needs to be levelled at the decision makers on hiring, past results would have shown that not getting whatever was advertised.
It's happened to many teams in the past where they spend up big win titles and then a few years later the players have moved on club runs out of money and the team drops big time.
Whittlesea's choice of imports the last couple of years has been terrible.
ha ha and you must be someone involved in the club responsible for bringing them down down down
Have it on good authority Whittlesea that will still be in D1M next year
Big v has collingwood in the fixture for week one finals in div 1 men. I'm pretty sure bellarine got 6th
Pretty sure Collingwood got 6th spot courtesy of 3 way tie.
Edit Bulleen finished 6th in D1M via the 3 way tie.
Anonymous
Years ago
Whittlesea are a mess - they should be relegated and put a performing D2 team in their spot. Craigieburn is in the same market and would have competed far better in D1 this season.
The whole top 6 in div 2 would have beaten the bottom 4 teams in div 1 at least and those teams beat higher placed div 1 teams in practice matches.
They would not come close to the top 5 teams though
How hard is it for big v to get the final ladder standings for the season correct. Glaring errors in most divisions.
Someone
Years ago
So the finals refs especially for the CM & CW will be interesting, no doubt they will allocate refs from NBL1 to come back and ref Big v finals when they haven't reffed a single Big v game all year! Teams get used to the shitty refs all year then they give you refs that haven’t reffed 2PO in ages. Let’s see them ruin the games like they did last year, this competition is becoming the laughing stock of Aus basketball
Anonymous
Years ago
What happens in D1 and D2 with refs? If the NBL1 refs get passed down to SC, do the SC refs get passed down to lower divisions?
Someone
Years ago
Probably, the issue is those refs wouldn't have any idea about the teams. I’m all for the best refs getting the games but it should be the best refs that have referees that division all year. What’s the point of panels is you don’t use them?
Hoops
Years ago
How about some picks for each division? What div is the closest?
Isn't it fairer and better if the refs dont know the teams or players that way you wont have refs that hold a grudge against certain players or the other way if they favour certain imports which happens.
Anonymous
Years ago
100% agree - the only way you'd want refs to stay in that division is if you had existing relationships with them. Rules are the same!
Anon
Years ago
D2 men should be a toss up, all 6 have beaten each other throughout the year.
Hoops
Years ago
^^RE: D2M was also the least accurately debated div I've ever seen during practice match months
RMIT was supposed to never win a game, won 11 and was in the middle of the comp
Mildura was supposed to be world beaters and they lost 6 games and finished outside the top 2 (still very much a contender I know)
Altona had multiple instances/posts referring to them being a legit contender, they were one of the worst teams in the comp
Barkley from Camberwell was "5th best player on his team" and would average 6PPG, averages 21 and is an MVP/All Star 5 candidate
Anon
Years ago
Refer me to the Altona posts, they would be a good laugh then and now.
Overrated top to bottom.
RMIT were really good later in the year. Good on them
It's easy to tell the posts from disgruntled former players or former committee members on this site. It’s been happening for year. RMIT were great this year.
Should be some interesting finals series.
Bear
Years ago
Looking forward to the three game series between Geelong v Ballarat D1 YLM, this is going to be a tough rivalry style of series and since the Miners killed off any chance of a dream series between the end of era Stingrays v Supercats I am sure there will be some added spice in the coming games...
Wish the D1 women's Bellarine team the best of luck in their final against Hawthorn, going to be tough but they earned their chance!
RMIT's import Stephen Coffey was really good later in the year, that was what was missing for them preseason and early games. I'd back RMIT to be amongst the top few teams next year in div 2 as Coffey has already resigned.
No Westernport in D1W finals ? Lot of pre season hype and money invested for no return. Rumour is they are talking to a former WNBL coach to take over next year.
Given RMIT's success and Melbourne Uni have a long successful history in Big V, will we see any other Universities join Big V next season?
There was latrobe uni and monash uni in big v but they folded
Hoops
Years ago
CM - Mckinnon/Hume city (McKinnon leads 1-0)
CW - Keilor/Werribee
D1M - Warrandyte/Sunbury
D1W - Mildura/Hawthorn (Hawthorn leads 1-0)
D2M - Southern Peninsula/Camberwell
D2W - Pakenham/Melb Uni
Picks?
Anon
Years ago
McKinnon for sure (will they go up into NBL1), Keilor for SCW, Hawthorn for D1W (should go up), Sunbury for D1M (both them and Shep should go up), Sth Pen & Melb Uni. I believe NBL1 will not change their teams for 2020 which means McKinnon stay in CM? They would go back to back for sure!
Reality
Years ago
will McKinnon continue to invest the money if the standard of comp doesn't warrant it.
Big V becoming a real bush league now...just got to wait for the few of the poorer NBL1 teams to drop back.
Anon
Years ago
Surely Stith and Williams will want to play NBL1 at least now, Stith by far is the best import in CM, not sure if anyone else is even close though Williams is probably next best with Shepard form Werribee, thoughts?
PersonalFoul
Years ago
NBL1 and its NBL social media assistance along with the playing stocks has certainly seemed from the outside to hurt the SC comps
Div 1 and 2 will also be solid mid level comps with guys that will never play pro or even consider it, plus a few tasty imports from time to time.
Big off-season for the Big V having watched the changes above, NBL1 GF looked great at the SBC on Kayo (I couldn't make it)
McKinnon have to be short price favourite to win it all!
Hawthorn women what a close one.
Mad max
Years ago
To answer Anon - No teams will be promoted from Big V to NBL1 so not sure what that looks like for SCM standard
There is interest in going up from Sunbury, Shepparton, Warrandyte, Bulleen, Keysborough, Westernport and Warnambool (their import now an Aussie and can afford 2 more). Could they all go up?
D1 would then be weak so probably bring up a few teams from D2
Sunbury going up to SCM regardless of result of the grand final series, already have second import secured.
Bulleen enquired to Big V about SCM last year and were told should they make finals they will be promoted based on their junior program.
I think BIGV will be careful with who they move up to SCM. Could really use a few more teams in SCM but with how Chelsea have gone this year, especially after their dominance in D1M, there is no point moving teams up just to ensure there is enough making up the numbers.
Chelsea would have made finals had they not stuffed up the paperwork for their imports who then missed a fair few games
Chelsea did better than Coburg who were promoted to D1.
They beat Hume City who are in the Championship series.
The top 6 in D1 are all better than Blackburn and Corio Bay.
Anonymous
Years ago
#756796
You are kidding aren't you?
Bulleen (top 6 in D1) were lucky to get 8 players to many of their games.
Blackburn had a strong win over Chelsea who supposedly dominated D1 in 2018??
Big call to claim that the top 6 in D1 are all better than Blackburn and Corio Bay.
Bulleen have great juniors coming through. VYC side is pretty solid.
Better junior program than most of the clubs with SCM.
They were unlucky this year solid side that would have players return to the club if they go up to champ level. Plus don't forget a second import.
There is no doubt some strong aussie talent in D1 and many of those players could play in SCM. The difference is the depth and the quality of imports. D1 teams will have 1 good aus and maybe 1 stud import. The better teams in SCM have two strong imports and several quality Aus
Sunbury Youth to YL2 doesn't really work with the men in SC, shows how out of whack the club is
A A Ron
Years ago
Shows that if the club can spend money on the seniors it doesn't matter how bad the VJBL program is.
Reality
Years ago
VJBL strength has zero impact on senior teams...youth league perhaps but it simply doesn't correlate as guys move for uni/work etc and also play for cash.
Clubs that cling to the VJBL feeding the senior teams are simply in dreamland.
Bulleen have loads of coin. They'll be in state champ next year for sure
Anonymous
Years ago
If Bulleen is such a great club, why then did so many of those leading Youth League players leave and go to other clubs in the last 2 years? I can think of at least 6 who have left over the last 2 seasons to play high level senior basketball at other clubs.
To answer above, they left because they want a pathway to play at a higher level i.e. State Champ or NBL 1 NOT Big V division 1
Hence why the club has decided it is such a priority
"Sunbury Youth to YL2 doesn't really work with the men in SC, shows how out of whack the club is" SMH
Sunbury are in YL1 and had a lesser year because of all the players they promoted to their senior team. Do you want to punish clubs for developing players then promoting them. The other team teams in the finals had next to no home grown players in their team.
PersonalFoul
Years ago
The reality is SCM, NBL1 and to an extent Div 1 don't need good youth league programs, if they need a point guard they will go and recruit one!
Youth League is a nice for good juniors to continue playing after VJBL, but it has little results on Big V Wins or Teams, senior players (good ones) that were there when a kid enters youth league are still going to be there when they finish, so the kid unless better after 2 years will have to go somewhere else anyway.
I think youth league has helped lots more kids chase JUCO & NCAA opportunities, it has become an amazing breeding ground for that elite level kid and has given opportunity for senior guys to keep playing senior hoops.
There is a closer connection to VJBL > YL than YL > BIGV
Anon
Years ago
In answer to the argument about feeding ground for seniors, if your club doesn't have that then you are in trouble and just masking your pathway and giving the junior program no incentive. Domestic feeds junior rep which in turn feeds Youth League which in turn gives to seniors. As for teams going into CM only Sunbury and Shep and Warrnambool would do well.
"As for teams going into CM only Sunbury and Shep and Warrnambool would do well"
Warnambool didnt even make finals... Warrandyte finished on top and are playing in the championship series...
Anon
Years ago
Correct but Warrnambool will have 2 imports plus 1 that has citizenship whereas Warrandyte had 1 I think, believe me I respect the Venom, great coach and great team who play well together but may struggle in next division, hope they prove me wrong!
Warrandytte will be entitled to a second import. Plus wouldn't there be other players that would be interested in playing for them that wouldn't want to play D1?
I'm sure they would be more than ok
T
Years ago
Why would Warrnambool get in SCM ahead of Westernport or Keysborough?
Anon
Years ago
If Warrandyte got 2 imports then for sure, same for Sunbury, both would be great additions to CM.
Anon
Years ago
Who were the best 1-2 imports in CM? thoughts anyone but lets not get nasty on the individuals, just how do you rate them?
Anderson and Stith were the best players
Others have a case based on numbers etc. But those two were the individual best
John
Years ago
Are facilities not even considered any more when deciding promotion ? The Warrandyte stadium is tiny and back in the day, you had to get changed in the office there before a game. As great as their team has been all season, surely this has to be considered when talking promotion ?
If you think getting a second import is the key to moving from D1 to SCM, then you don't understand the game.
The standard of your core Aussies must already be high. If imports are dominating your team, then your Aussies are not good enough. When moving up, you must consider that your current Aussie starters will probably be bench players at the next level.
#756796
Blackburn only had a poor year because they quite literally lost their top 6 players from last year and their coach left before the season started they had dominated division one for years before moving up, Heath hadn't previously played with the Men's team either.
Pretty sure Blackburn were just as bad last season when they had their best 6 players and that coach.
What was the issue with the previous Blackburn coach ?
The previous coach is one of the best in Victoria and will pop up coaching an NBL1 team soon I'm sure.
T
Years ago
Since we are not using names. Yes the ex Blackburn coach was very good. Possibly one of the best to ever coach at Big V SCM level
Anonymous
Years ago
Ex Blackburn coach got Blackburn into Big V Mens Champ (before the better teams went to NBL1) without an import. Can't remember many Mens Champ or even good Mens D1 teams without an import.
Blackburn were hardly a finals contender the year before anyhow. Bottom of the rung and seemed to be a hard step up to SCM for them.
Anonymous
Years ago
Put two imports in and Heath and Blackburn would have won the lot this year if that group had remained.
Blackburn finally got back to where they were 15 years ago.
Blackburn were 5-17 last season and 5-19 this season. But "they would have won the lot if the had two imports"
Anonymous
Years ago
Take the US born players out of each Mens champ team and explain what you have left! Something like 16 of the top 20 scorers this year are US born. Take the US born players out of the top teams this year and they dont play finals either.
Anonymous
Years ago
Pretty average I would suggest as two of their probable starters were bench players in that (as #757303 suggests) poor Blackburn team fron 2 seasons ago!
Blackburn had an import this season and had one last season as well..
Hoops
Years ago
Yes thank you^ BIG V FINALS
Who is the closest matchup of all divisions? Picks for divisions? Best local players in grand finals? Anything
Put 2 imports in blackburn side then heath would only average 10 points a game in 25 minutes instead of 20 in 35 minutes
Anonymous
Years ago
It would real tough for him. He would get the 3rd best defender now instead of the best and to make it even tougher he wouldn't be double teamed on every play anymore!!!!
Soooooooooo
Who wins a championship this weekend?
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